DIY Stealth Cab, Hydro, LED & Multiple Strains in Small Space - Oh Boy!

For sure man. Hey heres a quote from a post I made on HempRockets page making my argument for the 24 cycle as follows. Let me know what you think!

In a week there is 7 days, so in 7 days there are 168 hours (7X24) so lets say 2 random people...lets call one john and ther other jerry. Lets say john and jerry are both growing plants but only for a week. john chooses the 24 hour cycle while jerry chooses the 18on 6 off cycle.
So they both grow for 7 days (168 hours)
Though theres a signifigant difference in there grows.
Johns plant has had light for a constant 168 hours while jerrys light has only been on for 126 hours, a full 42 hours less than john, so jerry basically had is plant in submission 2 out of the 7 days allowed. I GUARANTEE that if growing the same strain perfectly with the same exact nutes and everything was perfect in an unperfect world like it should be then Johns plant will be bigger. And my main point in all of this is that in all likeliness I would make the assumption that jerry would need to grow his plant for an extra 42 hours to get his plant to the same size as johns plant. Now take this idea and expand it over the coarse of a month which is how long I veg and thats why I do it this way. I figure if i get there faster I can start a new plant sooner get paid sooner ect.
The only thing I can see fucking this up is that I realized in the middle of writing this that Electricity is more expensive durring the day than it is at night. Which is why you could save probably 5 bucks a YEAR switching to the 18/6. I'd rather have the speed than the 5 or 10 bucks. And keep my plants warm. But thats my friendly argument. I am open to friendly feirce debate! So who can persuade my ass differently!?
Best,
PG I think its time for a
 
I won't argue with you on that, except, let's just say the the extra 6 hours of light in a 24 hour period is 25% more light.

Here's some info from another board to help you argue your case:

"This is a direct quote from Ed Rosenthal whom most of you know is a marijuana growing guru:

Marijuana plants photosynthesize as long as they receive light as well as water, air, nutrients and suitable temperature. Photosynthesis is the process in which plants use the energy from light (primarily in the blue and red spectrum's) to combine carbon dioxide (CO2) from the air and water (H2O) to make sugar while releasing oxygen to the air.

Plants use sugars continuously to fuel metabolic processes (living) as well as for tissue building. The plant combines nitrogen (N) with the sugar to make amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. They are the substance of plant tissue. When the light is off, the plant's metabolic processes, respiration and growth, continue.

The plant can photosynthesize continuously so it produces the most energy and growth when the light is on, continuously. Continuous light does not stress the plant, which reacts somewhat mechanistically to it.

Plants under an 18-6 light-dark regimen are producing sugar only three quarters of the time. They are thus growing at only 75% of their potential. Leaving the light on continuously will result in bigger plants, faster, which leads to higher yields."

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"The following information is straight from Greg Green's "The Cannabis Grow Bible"

Cannabis is a light demanding plant. Professional growers keep the light on their plants using the 24/0 photoperiod for this reason. Plants that grow under 24/0 flourish and do not need a quantity of darkness in order to rest and perform photosynthesis properly. Plants that are grown in optimal conditions under 24/0 light regime grow vigorusly and the benefits of a 24/0 photoperiod can be seen actively in the results. More nodes are formed, more branches are created, leaf numbers increase, the plant is growing at its finest.

Some growers opt to use 18/6 as their photoperiod. This is 18 hours of light, six hours of darkness light regime. Under these conditions the plant will grow quite naturally but not as vigorously as the 24/0 photoperiod.

The 18/6 photoperiod expels 3/4 the amount of light that a 24/0 photoperiod does. Although this does not mean that a plant produces 1/4 less leaves,branches and nodes under the 18/6 photoperiod, it certainly does show the correlation between light and cannabis growth. As we have said already, cannabis is a light demanding plant. There are no problems associated with 24/0 and although some have attributed cannabis sexual dysfunction (the hermaphrodite conditon) to 18/6 photoperiod these problems are actually the result of heat stress.

A 24/0 photoperiod requires that your grow room temperature be kept well monitored. The 18/6 option is cheaper to run. You use a quarter less electricity and this will have an impact on your electricity bill. Also the 18/6 photoperiod will generally extend the bulb's lifespan. During the 6 hours of darkness the grow room is allowed to cool down for this period but a well maintained good grow room setup should not require a cooling down period.

24/0 and 18/6 both share the same problem though. Once you start the photoperiod you should keep that way especially when the plants near maturity (the preflowering stage). An irregular photoperiod can cause more males than females to develop. It can also cause sexual dysfunction to appear. Whether you choose 24/0 or 18/6 as your vegetative photoperiod try to keep that photoperiod unitl your plants are mature enough to express their sex."
 
PIC UPDATE:

I thought it would be a good time to share what's going on in the grow cab.

First, it's getting mighty crowded in there! I've got plants stacked on top of plants! :)

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The AK has pretty much taken over the cabinet. I've been thinking for the last two days that I need to get her into flower ASAP, but decided I would do Saturday, as planned. If she doubles or triples in height while in flower, I should be OK. If she doubles or triples in girth, I'm in BIG trouble! :grinjoint:

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The AK's babies are doing well. I moved the one clone I took a couple of weeks ago, the one that was starting to show roots, into a mini hempy:

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And the four other clones I took the other night are in a humidity dome (removed for pic):

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The teenagers are both looking good, but again, the LS* is crazy when you look at how small she is. She is three days older than the PE and now has five full sets of leaves, one MORE than the PE, and here they are together:

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She doesn't even overflow the solo cup!

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The PE, though, is definately exploding now. I wish I had a waterfarm free to move her to, but I think I'll transplant her into a larger hempy on Saturday when I move the AK to flower. Here she is:

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The Waterfarm haze now has some very nice roots (root pics on Saturday!) and has started to fill in nicely. I MAY also move her into flower on Saturday, but may give her another few days to a week. I just can't fit TWO trees in my 2' x 2' flower chamber!:

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And, way in the back, behind that haze, is the Hempy haze, which has really been neglected in terms of light, nutes, & everything else, but is doing fine:

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As always, I appreciate all the help & more to come!

Happy Harvests!
 
:tokin: Yo you might be forced to grow in small places but your doing a good job which means your learning to be a resourcefull ass dude so one day when you do have the space you know whats up! Keep up the good work!!
best.
pg-
ps! I got a pro ass giant aquarium CHILLLER fore free today from a very close friend of mine check my thread for pics of it installed Friday evening it's dope! :tokin:
 
:tokin: Yo you might be forced to grow in small places but your doing a good job which means your learning to be a resourcefull ass dude so one day when you do have the space you know whats up! Keep up the good work!!
best.
pg-
ps! I got a pro ass giant aquarium CHILLLER fore free today from a very close friend of mine check my thread for pics of it installed Friday evening it's dope! :tokin:

Thanks, PG, and congrat's on the chiller! What a great deal! Can't beat free & I'll definately check your journal tonight! :slide:

Not sure how much more space I'm going to have. This is really just a grow for personal use, but like everyone says, "smoking it isn't addictive - growing it is!"

I truly have no clue at this point how I'm going to handle flowering. No matter how I do the math, some of these plants will be vegging for something like two months before they ever make it to the flower chamber.

I'm pretty confident I could fill up the whole flower chamber just with the AK, but I certainly can't wait another 8 weeks to start the Haze. Also, as luck would have it, the haze takes about 70-75 days to finish while the AK takes about 55-60. The AK will be going in at least 3-4 days ahead, so I expect it to finish about 2 weeks earlier.

There goes my plans for using the flower chamber to dry!

This basically means that every other plant currently in the veg chamber will be vegging for at least another 10 weeks or so. I guess as soon as I move one out, I could move another in, but it's still a long time for vegging to then flower more than one plant in a 2'x2' space! It's also a pretty small cabinet to maintain four strains as mothers, and then take clones from each before I put them into flower.

I've been planning on building a drying box, and I have a few weeks to get that done. I think I may also need to build another small cabinet for either mothers or clones to make it more manageable.

I guess this first round of flowering will, as it was getting this far, be a great learning experience! :)
 
Hey there Mr. Krip - just spent the better part of the last hour or so catching up on your journal and previous journal. Sounds like things are really looking up from the beginning. Congrats on hanging in there, your ingenuity, and the results of your hard work starting to pay off. :bravo:

Looks like you're on a great path now - hope you don't mind me following along! :popcorn:
 
Hey there Mr. Krip - just spent the better part of the last hour or so catching up on your journal and previous journal. Sounds like things are really looking up from the beginning. Congrats on hanging in there, your ingenuity, and the results of your hard work starting to pay off. :bravo:

Looks like you're on a great path now - hope you don't mind me following along! :popcorn:

Thanks much, XLR8! :thanks:

Not only don't I mind, I'm actually honored that you're sticking around after you read my first journal! :)
 
It's all about the learning. Looks like the sure grow cubes weren't ideal - I think they probably complicated things at the start for you. Seems like you're in a great spot now!

I know you've had a lot of people share their points of view - but I've had best luck using rapid rooter plugs to start my seeds, and then placing the plug in hydroton once roots poke through. I think it's so much easier than rockwool and the rooters contain valuable micro nutrients - there are several others on here that swear by this method as well. My seedlings have always been healthy in them. So many different ways to do it I guess!

You're doing great and keeping a really good journal. :cheer:
 
yo i've been busy with bs but I just finished this
How to build single site rdwc with chiller
if your online it should hold you over for the next 20 minutes till i eat a sandwich and update my Grow Journal and smoke a bowl :tokin:



:Namaste:
 
AK UPDATE:

OK...I moved the AK to the flower chamber a few minutes ago. I should have done this several days ago! There's absolutely NO WAY I'll be able to flower another plant in there at the same time. She's gotten HUGE in the last couple of days and I'm hoping the flower chamber will be big enough just to accomodate her in full bloom.

Here's what she looks like today (hard to believe it's only 1 plant, and even harder to believe it's the same one I got a few weeks ago!):

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She's about 15" wide and about a foot high right now. Here's her canopy looking nice & full. I counted something like 22 tops!:

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Here's her roots:

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And, here's why I won't be able to flower any others at the same time:

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Going to change res on the Haze next. More pics to come!
 
MORE PICS FROM TODAY:

I just changed the other res, transplanted the PE, and topped off all the hempys with fresh nutes.

Everyone that's made it this far is doing pretty good, with the exception of one of the AK clones that has wilted.

Here's the waterfarm haze that really starting to take off now that she has some roots:

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Even though I LST'd her nice & low, she's starting to grow some tall tops:

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And her roots are looking good:

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The Hempy Haze is also starting to look much greener and I'm sure will be happier now that she'll be getting better light:

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Here's a close-up:

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The PE is taking of very nicely:

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I moved her to a bigger Hempy today:

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She's really a good-looking plant, IMHO:

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The LS* still looks stunted, but is starting her mini growth spurt:

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Another angle on the LS*:

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Not enough of a change in any of the clones to update pics on them.

Thanks again for everyone's help in getting me this far - it's greatly appreciated! :thanks:
Happy Harvests!
 
Those roots are insane!! When are you ganna at least flip one to flower? :) excited to see how it grows.
 
Those roots are insane!! When are you ganna at least flip one to flower? :) excited to see how it grows.

You missed the previous post. I put the AK into flower earlier today before the last set of pics.

I'm now thinking I MIGHT be able to get the haze in there also. It may get a little crowded, but again, I can't imagine I'd get any less yield than if I did only one plant. The next few days will tell! :)
 
ya duded yesterday and today i've been running off 4-5hours of sleep. Im dropping off the face of the planet right now and nodding out trying to just get this down. Tomorrow is a nice openly relaxing sunday, i'll make sure I read through about the flowering.
Keep up the nice work Krip, ur a good grower 2 know.
p.g
 
Looking great man, that ls is just hanging in there, thats the one that didn't want to sprout after like 4 seeds right? P.e. looking nice it will shoot up now, Im excited to see its phenotype. You should be good in flower, my tent is getting pretty packed but as long as they aren't fighting for light there shouldn't be a compromise in yield that I can see, of course keep the plants as far as possible from each other in there so they can bush out. Keep it going and :nicethread:
 
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