Decoding The Holy Grail: Terpene & Cannabinoid Retention: Decarb to Extraction

[SweetSue]

I had two dabs of 99.49% CBD about 20 minutes ago, interesting. I was slightly light headed for a few minutes accompanied by a calming feeling. After a few minutes I had a few hits of flower from a dry pipe. It is about 15 min after the flower hits and mellow best describes where I am, not that high but very relaxed. I could get use to this, it is a nice place.

I never know

It has a sweetish taste and crumbles like sugar. All I had handy for a dabber was a pocket knife. there was a little left on the blade and it was sappy.

There's this popular misconception, perpetrated by ill-informed journalists in the media, that CBD has no euphoric effect. Nothing could be further from the truth. CBD does have its own euphoric effect, it's just one of wellbeing, instead of intense to overpowering intoxication.

 

[SweetSue]

It's so quiet. I feel like everyone is going to pounce when those tests get posted! lol. I am swamped but I will make time soon to post a thank you to our supporters. You know who you are but I want everyone else to know who helped us with the financial burden. We are so grateful folks. I don't think Canyon has posted a Steep Hill price sheet (could be wrong) but you would see how expensive it is to find out enough to be useful. In order to be useful, it has to be a complete trail. I think we did that. We tested every meaningful point except for where tcheck was to fill in the gaps. That was seriously unfortunate. I am still working with tcheck. They know this hurt us and they can't take it back. But they appear to be making every effort to make it right. Actually I expect some exciting news from them in the near future. We tested the bud, the bud after decarb, the infused oil, AND the spent material. And some FHO. It's covered. If this doesn't answer some major questions, I just don't know how you would. Hey, if this posts 3 damn times, I'm sorry. In my defense, it keeps saying token expired try again. lol

When it says "Token expired....." the response that gets results is to refresh the page first. Before you do that copy your text, because you'll lose it when you refresh, unless the system has auto saved it.

We're all looking forward to what you were able to learn. I'm most interested in the FHO results in comparison to the regular infused.

Thank you both for doing this, and a heartfelt thanks to all who stepped forward to help with financing. What a wonderful group we work with around here. Makes me so proud to represent you all as MOTY.

 

[HealthFreak]

It's so quiet. I feel like everyone is going to pounce when those tests get posted! lol. I am swamped but I will make time soon to post a thank you to our supporters. You know who you are but I want everyone else to know who helped us with the financial burden. We are so grateful folks. I don't think Canyon has posted a Steep Hill price sheet (could be wrong) but you would see how expensive it is to find out enough to be useful. In order to be useful, it has to be a complete trail. I think we did that. We tested every meaningful point except for where tcheck was to fill in the gaps. That was seriously unfortunate. I am still working with tcheck. They know this hurt us and they can't take it back. But they appear to be making every effort to make it right. Actually I expect some exciting news from them in the near future. We tested the bud, the bud after decarb, the infused oil, AND the spent material. And some FHO. It's covered. If this doesn't answer some major questions, I just don't know how you would. Hey, if this posts 3 damn times, I'm sorry. In my defense, it keeps saying token expired try again. lol

It's all good , without risk no reward, I happy to have been here reading and learning , I wish there were a way all of us all In the same room together
With tools , produce of various sorts and some good old fashioned elevated brain storming .. appreciate you all who contribute. Great people here !!

 

[SweetSue]

It's all good , without risk no reward, I happy to have been here reading and learning , I wish there were a way all of us all In the same room together
With tools , produce of various sorts and some good old fashioned elevated brain storming .. appreciate you all who contribute. Great people here !!

What a lovely sentiment HealthFreak. It's such a joy to work on so many different projects with all this brainstorming genius contributing to the discussions. Put this many curious brains together in the same virtual room and the results can often be startling.

Wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

 

[HealthFreak]

What a lovely sentiment HealthFreak. It's such a joy to work on so many different projects with all this brainstorming genius contributing to the discussions. Put this many curious brains together in the same virtual room and the results can often be startling.

Wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

Sue this is the next best thing for sure..

 

[Canyon]

Half a loaf.....
The test that we dropped off Monday posted yesterday. This evening is my first chance to look at them. All four of these were from the saved jar of Nightmare Cookies. The first report is the nondecarbed flower sample tested 7/26. The next one is also flowers, after a nova decarb. The next two are infused coconut oil samples. The third sample is the weaker of the two oils. The forth one should be close to an accepted infusion. Kickn should have more to say about what he is looking for with these.

There are a few things I want to point out about these reports that will help if you are not familiar with them. The flower tests have columns for % and mg/g. The oil tests have columns for mg/ml and mg/g. Notice the density figure in the first column of the header. This leaves you working with mg/g to work out percentages or having to convert something.

The terpene samples from 8/9 have not posted yet. What can I say? One of these is an oil sample of FHO. That should tell us something.

The next time I know that I will be in Albuquerque is around the 11^th and again about a week later.

I wish I had more.

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[bebecillo]

Great info man! Thanks for sharing with the community.

Do any of you have the oil/flower ratio to try to figure out what's (if any) loss of material was?

 

[Canyon]

bebecillo,
Welcome to the thread and the site.

We do have notes and we welcome others checking our numbers, especially this round. Not much went according to plan. The tCheck crew had us running tests for them in hopes of fixing a bug in there equipment. There was way more going on than we planed or wanted to keep track of. We could have easily made mistakes.

Both Kickn and I are still catching up with day to day life.

I wanted to get the tests posted first thing. Kickn took most of the notes because I suck at it.

Best

 

[bebecillo]

Oh trust me, I've been reading since day one (reason i made an account).

Lots of friends are keeping an eye here to improve edibles yields, my personal recipe is to run the material trough 3 batches of water to get rid of the plant taste (picky gf) and then cream or butter so i have something to make sandwiches or brownies, altough there's cbd loss due to it being water soluble

 

[Kicknitup1]

Great info man! Thanks for sharing with the community.

Do any of you have the oil/flower ratio to try to figure out what's (if any) loss of material was?

Oh yeah baby. I wouldn't fly 2000 miles and leave a hole like that. lol.

 

[Kicknitup1]

Hi all,
I will be working on these numbers this weekend. We are rolling.

 

[Kicknitup1]

I've already started to go to bed twice and came back to 'puter to look at numbers. lol. I have to stop or I will be up all night. Supposed to be doing my taxes. dilemmas dilemmas .

 

[Kicknitup1]

"I wanted to get the tests posted first thing. Kickn took most of the notes because I suck at it."


Says the guy with the 40 column spreadsheet on grows. LMAO

 

[Kicknitup1]

"Notice the density figure in the first column of the header. This leaves you working with mg/g to work out percentages or having to convert something."

This is referencing the density of coconut oil. Which brings up a not so trivial fact. Coconut oil weighs apx .92g per milliliter. Water weighs 1g per ml. Thats why you have to be careful when working in weight for everything as opposed to weight & volume. For instance, 100g of coconut oil will be apx 108ml- not 100ml. So you may find the infused oil is diluted more than you think if you just figure 1g per ml. Ex: If you put 1000mg of thc into 100g of oil (NOTICE to those following- from now on when I say oil, I am referring to coconut oil unless stated otherwise. Compensating for poor typing skills. lol), you will get 9.25mg thc per ml, not 100mg. So on a 10ml dose you get 92.5mg thc instead of 100mg. NOT the end of the world but you were almost off a whole piece of weak ass CO candy. Besides, we are doing a quantitative analysis here. Thanks for pointing that out Canyon.

 

[Kicknitup1]

ALSO. It's interesting that we infused it with a good bit of thc and it did not change the weight of the oil enough to overcome the accuracy limits of the testing equipment. Who knows, the oil may have given up something during the process to offset it, much like the loss from decarbing. THC would not weigh enough to practically weigh on our level I don't think.

 

[SweetSue]

Oh trust me, I've been reading since day one (reason i made an account).

Lots of friends are keeping an eye here to improve edibles yields, my personal recipe is to run the material trough 3 batches of water to get rid of the plant taste (picky gf) and then cream or butter so i have something to make sandwiches or brownies, altough there's cbd loss due to it being water soluble

You're washing away most of the terpenes too, and it's the terpenes that direct the action of the cannabinoids. Maybe there's some better way to disguise the flavor by being creative in the recipes? The terpenes may turn out to be more valuable than cannabinoids in the end, for many of the things we actually use cannabis for.

 

[SweetSue]

"I wanted to get the tests posted first thing. Kickn took most of the notes because I suck at it."


Says the guy with the 40 column spreadsheet on grows. LMAO

Yeah..... I love the way he keeps saying "I never know" when he obviously forgot more than we know.

 

[Kicknitup1]

You're washing away most of the terpenes too, and it's the terpenes that direct the action of the cannabinoids. Maybe there's some better way to disguise the flavor by being creative in the recipes? The terpenes may turn out to be more valuable than cannabinoids in the end, for many of the things we actually use cannabis for.

I have found that avoiding water as much as possible is the route to take. If you want to float out the oil stuck in the dreggs, use water. But not on the main extraction.

 

[Canyon]

Kickn, Sue,
This links to the FHO run I did. We are waiting on the terpene test. The idea was to check the samples for infusion with the tCheck.

Decoding The Holy Grail: Terpene & Cannabinoid Retention - Decarb to Extraction

While at SH, two processes came up in conversation. The first was fractional distillation and the second was high pressure extraction at ambient temperature.

I first thought I had misunderstood what the technician had said. I ask if he was talking about rosen. He said yes, there were people playing around with it. He also said that the yields were low. I know someone who has a 50 or 100 ton press. I may have to visit with a roll of parchment and some buds.

Fractional distillation has me interested enough to start searching images for ideas.

 

[bebecillo]

You're washing away most of the terpenes too, and it's the terpenes that direct the action of the cannabinoids. Maybe there's some better way to disguise the flavor by being creative in the recipes? The terpenes may turn out to be more valuable than cannabinoids in the end, for many of the things we actually use cannabis for.

Oh, believe be I've been creative as hell and she's been as well but the after taste triggers her gag reflex. I don't mind the flavour and it's nothing that sugar or chocolate can't fix but in that regard I'm screwed. We've tried brownies, cakes, butter, milk, puddin, rice puddin, cookies, banana cake, viking chocolate milk, and tea/coffee with cream that either of us has cooked or we've bought from different underground sources but no luck. I'm also much of a pussy to try BHO so that's another no no