Decoding The Holy Grail: Terpene & Cannabinoid Retention: Decarb to Extraction

A lot of today was spent with the tCheck people trying to sort out some of our readings. It involved taking a lot of test for them and faxing lab reports, etc. At one point they wanted to know if we could buy some isolate of THC if they would pay for it. I thought, "Does CVS Pharmacy carry that?"

Someone (Bear or Oiler or me?) said never trust one test. I want to get a retest on the NMC cannabinoids oil. Enough said
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We know that we want to take two samples tomorrow morning for possible lab tests. Then we need to go through today's notes.

I thought I would borrow a pressure cooker and try a decarb and maybe a decarb in oil with it tomorrow. That leaves me asking for a quick rundown on what to do.

Kickn wants to repeat a part of what we were working on today because we lost control of time and temperature with phone calls, text messages and extra tCheck samples.

The terpene test will not be ready until Wednesday. Please don't shoot the messenger.

Good night
 
Blew Hiller said:
What does the full test cost?
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Blew Hiller,
Welcome to the thread.

Somewhere on this thread is a full price list. We need to get some of the charts and tests on this thread moved to a blog or something so they can be referenced better. The short answer is $60 to 100 for cannabinoids and $50 to 90 for terpenes. I don't think anyone thought we would have twenty pages up in three weeks.

{;>) Best

 
Canyon said:
A lot of today was spent with the tCheck people trying to sort out some of our readings. It involved taking a lot of test for them and faxing lab reports, etc. At one point they wanted to know if we could buy some isolate of THC if they would pay for it. I thought, “Does CVS Pharmacy carry that?”

Someone (Bear or Oiler or me?) said never trust one test. I want to get a retest on the NMC cannabinoids oil. Enough said
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We know that we want to take two samples tomorrow morning for possible lab tests. Then we need to go through today’s notes.

I thought I would borrow a pressure cooker and try a decarb and maybe a decarb in oil with it tomorrow. That leaves me asking for a quick rundown on what to do.

Kickn wants to repeat a part of what we were working on today because we lost control of time and temperature with phone calls, text messages and extra tCheck samples.

The terpene test will not be ready until Wednesday. Please don’t shoot the messenger.

Good night
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All good canyon ...we all appreciate the time and efforts from you guys , good things on the horizon
 
Gunna start some Fun Today.. add to the testing extravaganza :high-five:

Im going to do some Cannalytics Tests TESTING

going to try a decarb prior to the TLC tests

I know CBD takes longer to decarb than THC.. so am going to try a few options

Ill take some CBDutch Treat, a 2/1 CBD/THC strain
some at 240deg for 90min
some at 240deg for 110min


Then test it with the raw Flower

Heating the jars now, my $300 Exergen Temp Gun is ready to do its Job

Fun Fun Fun
 
SweetSue said:
Try 235F for 110 minutes. Neiko proved you'll get almost 100% conversion to THC with this time schedule and temp setting. (He got 97%.) You also might want to toss the foil-wrapped material into the freezer for a bit after you turn the oven off and it cools some. I feel this settles the contents better than without.

THC doesn't degrade to CBN as much or as quickly as we suspect.
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Would this be the same to decarbonise pollen hash to be infused in coconut oil?

Sorry I've seen this info somewhere here before but I'm struggling to remember where.

Do I then have to infuse to the oil for a specific time/temp for best results or grate up the hash and decarb in the oil at 110c for 110mins?

I'm hoping there will be access to lab testing in the uk soon and I can be a part of this important learning process.

Thank you so much everyone on here for the desire to learn and educate as many people as possible. Pay it forward all the way ...
 
A lot of today was spent with the tCheck people trying to sort out some of our readings. It involved taking a lot of test for them and faxing lab reports, etc. At one point they wanted to know if we could buy some isolate of THC if they would pay for it. I thought, “Does CVS Pharmacy carry that?”

LMAO. That's my buddy Canyon. Tell ya the truth, we would have done pretty much anything by then if it would lift some clouds.
 
Scorpio420 said:
Gunna start some Fun Today.. add to the testing extravaganza :high-five:

Im going to do some Cannalytics Tests TESTING

going to try a decarb prior to the TLC tests

I know CBD takes longer to decarb than THC.. so am going to try a few options

Ill take some CBDutch Treat, a 2/1 CBD/THC strain
some at 240deg for 90min
some at 240deg for 110min


Then test it with the raw Flower

Heating the jars now, my $300 Exergen Temp Gun is ready to do its Job

Fun Fun Fun
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Sounds like a plan! One of those should be really close. Let us know!
 
Updates,
It has been an interesting morning. So far we have managed to have the tCheck company interface with Steep Labs on their own initiative. Now tCheck is doing a software up grade for their units to correct a software bug they did not know they had and Kickn and I found it.

Gold star please.

I suspect tCheck will ask us to take more tests for them. That will take some time. That is fine with us. It is 'good will' both directions. They have really been great to work with.

I located a pressure cooker. It is electric. It has a high and low setting. I am at 6000 feet. What should I use for settings and time? How much water?


I never know you know

[;>)
 
Canyon said:
Updates,
It has been an interesting morning. So far we have managed to have the tCheck company interface with Steep Labs on their own initiative. Now tCheck is doing a software up grade for their units to correct a software bug they did not know they had and Kickn and I found it.

Gold star please.

I suspect tCheck will ask us to take more tests for them. That will take some time. That is fine with us. It is 'good will' both directions. They have really been great to work with.

I located a pressure cooker. It is electric. It has a high and low setting. I am at 6000 feet. What should I use for settings and time? How much water?


I never know you know

[;>)
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Give those intrepid men gold stars. :laughtwo: Way to go Canyon. :high-five:

I know next to nothing about pressure cookers. Where's Shiggity when you need him? Lol! Hopefully someone else will chime in. Any indication as to the pressures or temperature at those settings?
 
Kicknitup1 said:
Does anyone know the science behind why it is suggested that you chill the oil after adding lecithin for 24 hrs? I do it because I read it and it can't possibly hurt anything. But it adds a day to prep and sometimes that's inconvenient......know what I mean? lol So what chemically is happening in the 24 hr chill?
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Something to do with the lecithin (emulsifier) binding the molecule chains of the oil. Also possibly allowing time for the suspension of (any) water in the emulsion.

(Whoops, the above was off the cuff and I just read SweetSue much better explanation!)
 
ginganinja30 said:
Would this be the same to decarbonise pollen hash to be infused in coconut oil?

Sorry I've seen this info somewhere here before but I'm struggling to remember where.

Do I then have to infuse to the oil for a specific time/temp for best results or grate up the hash and decarb in the oil at 110c for 110mins?

I'm hoping there will be access to lab testing in the uk soon and I can be a part of this important learning process.

Thank you so much everyone on here for the desire to learn and educate as many people as possible. Pay it forward all the way ...
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You're going to have to decarb one way or another ginganinja30, and that choice is entirely up to you, but it'll be something akin to 110 minutes at 110C. You could mix it and some liquid sunflower lecithin together with your carrier oil to do a 24 to 36-hour infusion and decarb in the oven on the lowest setting.

Easiest thing to do would be a quick oven decarb followed by a quick two hours of mild heat and lots of agitation to get the trichomes open and releasing the essential oils. That would give you a good decarb and a decent infusion. Then add a bit more liquid sunflower lecithin, mix it thoroughly, and toss it into the fridge to let the lecithin do its magic.
 
Canyon said:
I don’t think anyone thought we would have twenty pages up in three weeks.

{;>) Best

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Doesn't surprise me at all. :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
Kicknitup1 said:
The stuff looks right to me Canyon. I wouldn't worry about the moisture. Never seen it do that but you have way fresher bud. Great Pics! And thanks for letting me visit my little purple friend. lol I miss Ms Nova. lol
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Can you put freshly harvested buds straight into the Nova? Any benefits to that over the standard drying/curing phase? Thanks!
 
Blew Hiller said:
Can you put freshly harvested buds straight into the Nova? Any benefits to that over the standard drying/curing phase? Thanks!
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I'm fairly certain the Nova requires it to be dried to at least 62%, if not lower than that. Freshly harvested buds would be full of water the Nova isn't equipped to vent. It decarbs, and that's all it does. It just does it efficiently. More efficiently than the oven, or so we're to believe.

I have a suspicion that it's not going to matter as much as we all thought it would, particularly as we learn more and more about the medicinal value of all of the cannabinoids. If what you're shooting for is maximum THC it may be worth the price. If you're not afraid of the trade off of more diversified cannabinoid medicine and less euphoria, then an oven decarb seems like the thriftier choice.

The oven is a better choice, IMO, if you're decarbing a large quantity.
 
SweetSue said:
I'm fairly certain the Nova requires it to be dried to at least 62%, if not lower than that. Freshly harvested buds would be full of water the Nova isn't equipped to vent. It decarbs, and that's all it does. It just does it efficiently. More efficiently than the oven, or so we're to believe.

I have a suspicion that it's not going to matter as much as we all thought it would, particularly as we learn more and more about the medicinal value of all of the cannabinoids. If what you're shooting for is maximum THC it may be worth the price. If you're not afraid of the trade off of more diversified cannabinoid medicine and less euphoria, then an oven decarb seems like the thriftier choice.

The oven is a better choice, IMO, if you're decarbing a large quantity.
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Just trying to get some general procedure in my head before the fall harvest. We have several large CB Dream and Dutch Treat (and some White Widows) and we wanted to infuse with the honey we produce. Also probably going to make some into tinctures since we like the shelf stable nature versus oils. Not really attached to a high thc outcome. Wife likes the idea of not stinking up the house, but kids will be back in school by then anyway...:high-five:
 
Blew Hiller said:
Just trying to get some general procedure in my head before the fall harvest. We have several large CB Dream and Dutch Treat (and some White Widows) and we wanted to infuse with the honey we produce. Also probably going to make some into tinctures since we like the shelf stable nature versus oils. Not really attached to a high thc outcome. Wife likes the idea of not stinking up the house, but kids will be back in school by then anyway...:high-five:
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Tell the wife the smell will dissipate. :laughtwo: I love the smell of cannabis filling the house. At the moment I have two beauties filling my closet with flowery fragrance, unfiltered, and a Carnival harvest hanging in the hallway to the kitchen. The apartment reeks of cannabis goodness. Lol! It's an advantage to be up on the third floor, last door in the hall. I'm so far removed from everyone the smell isn't really a concern, unless I turn off the filter in the flowering tents. Lol!
 
Blew Hiller said:
Can you put freshly harvested buds straight into the Nova? Any benefits to that over the standard drying/curing phase? Thanks!
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This is a response that I got from the maker of the Nova when I asked if my Fresh Harvest had successfully decarboxylated. My attempt at decarbing Fresh Harvest was wet brown soft and very moist.

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Hi Keith!

Thanks for your message. Yes it did work and you can decarb fresh flower but the end product will be damp. Yes if you dry it out just for a few more days it should avoid that issue :)

Best,

Shanel A. Lindsay, Esq.

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