Kicknitup1
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It's a valid way to quantify. The labs just have a really good photo cell. The technology itself is very accurate.
Decoding The Holy Grail: Terpene & Cannabinoid Retention: Decarb to Extraction
It's a valid way to quantify. The labs just have a really good photo cell. The technology itself is very accurate.
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Hey baby, are you sure that isn't 170 degrees F? This is a standard low temp for modern ovens, and the minimum temp on my own oven. 170C is way too high for a min temp.
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Thank you for the update. I was thinking of him just this morning, wondering if the cream had worked. He came to mind because I was delivering some cream to a couple friends today.
I believe you! Maybe cause I'm in Canada with safety measures?
It's a digital oven
It's a digital oven
Kicknitup1
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The stuff looks right to me Canyon. I wouldn't worry about the moisture. Never seen it do that but you have way fresher bud. Great Pics! And thanks for letting me visit my little purple friend. lol I miss Ms Nova. lol
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We're still in planning stage Scientific, but this is basically what the project is hoping to accomplish.
Kicknitup1 said:
There will be a couple more tests added, in all likelihood, as funds allow, but this is the basics.
Welcome to the thread,
That is close. When the decarb is done is still getting kicked around. We are trying to get a good decarbed infusion into a carrier oil without loosing all the terpenes.
Wednesday will be the first full day committed to whatever we can discover with what we have to work with. Until then we are as you say "In the planning stages" What little we know is self taught for the most part.
The fresh harvest infusion was something to try to get things started. The results were not what I expected, that was cool.
If you want to post anything you know, please do.
We want to keep an open source approach to the thread. It can take any direction. The idea is to gather ideas and try them.
Best
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I believe you! Maybe cause I'm in Canada with safety measures?
It's a digital oven
If you have a manual, check to see what scale they used, because in all seriousness, 170C isn't a minimum temperature.
Kicknitup1
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No worries. You are correct on the objectives. It is in the planning stages. The tests will be next week. Actually, they have started. We have already tested the starting material. We are gathering last minute facts and other people's experiences before finalizing exactly what we do. But basically, we already know what we are going to do. I think in the first of the thread we state the objectives. But, as we put the word out for any testing that had already been done, we opened up a few more questions. Funds will dictate exactly what all we cover. But at a minimum the original objectives will be completed baring some really bad luck. lol
I already know I'm not going to want to go home.
Kicknitup1
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No worries. You are correct on the objectives. It is in the planning stages. The tests will be next week. Actually, they have started. We have already tested the starting material. We are gathering last minute facts and other people's experiences before finalizing exactly what we do. But basically, we already know what we are going to do. I think in the first of the thread we state the objectives. But, as we put the word out for any testing that had already been done, we opened up a few more questions. Funds will dictate exactly what all we cover. But at a minimum the original objectives will be completed baring some really bad luck. lol
I already know I'm not going to want to go home.
Kicknitup1
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Canyon, I didn't see you had already answered him. sorry. Your answer was better anyway.
It is better to have multiple replies. We all have our own take on things.
Kicknitup1
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LMAO. I know. I keep outrunning the system. I was sitting here cussing trying to delete it. I guess I just have to trust that it will show up if ya hit post.
Scientific
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That is in fact the graph that I have been using for years. It seemed to show that a slow, low temperature decarb was as effective as a fast, high temperature decarb, so based on the advice in that article, I've been using a 15 minute drying phase at 220F followed by 90 minutes at of decarb at the same temperature, for a total of 115 minutes, which seems to have worked well, and judging by the low odor, hasn't been driving off all the low molecular weight components.
I have never covered the pan in the oven because I guessed that any molecules trapped by the foil covering would simply condense on the surfaces and be lost anyway.
Even if there are objections to "the solvents used and processes followed" in that article, it seems to me that it's still the best information that we've got at this point. I hate to see the proverbial baby thrown out with the bathwater.
OK, that's my understanding for whatever it may be worth. I'm following this thread with interest.
(And just by the bye, I would also be interested in seeing hard science--or as close as we can get to that--for methods to increase bioavailability with lecithin, etc.)
Kicknitup1
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Scientific...
Do you have anything uhhh scientific that would help us? From the moniker you sound like my kind of guy.
Do you have anything uhhh scientific that would help us? From the moniker you sound like my kind of guy.
HealthFreak
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Hmm. You got me thinking , I never made infused jerky, but have made jerky with some honey and teriyaki a little soy sauce or brags aminos , I don't see why we couldn't infuse some honey and have a go at it . Let's see who has a go at it first and let's share how it turns out ..
Kicknitup1
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(And just by the bye, I would also be interested in seeing hard science--or as close as we can get to that--for methods to increase bioavailability with lecithin, etc.)
There is a good bit of documentation out there on encapsulation and lecithin/bio availability. I read a bunch about it in the food industry but I don't have anything at my fingertips. Sue probably has it memorized. lol
BTW, your decarb temps have to be close. I used 220 for 110 min for a good while then bumped to 240 @1 hr. I bet they get close to the same place. What we have found is that CBN does not form as quickly as the chart implies with our style decarbs. (meaning not CCO in n-hexane on a glass plate). Let's get the lab test back on the Nova decarb and we can talk more about time/temp.
There is a good bit of documentation out there on encapsulation and lecithin/bio availability. I read a bunch about it in the food industry but I don't have anything at my fingertips. Sue probably has it memorized. lol
BTW, your decarb temps have to be close. I used 220 for 110 min for a good while then bumped to 240 @1 hr. I bet they get close to the same place. What we have found is that CBN does not form as quickly as the chart implies with our style decarbs. (meaning not CCO in n-hexane on a glass plate). Let's get the lab test back on the Nova decarb and we can talk more about time/temp.
HealthFreak
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Thanks for the thoughts , I used a total of 12 grams of bud and 10 grams of trim and more about 3.5 cups of grapes seed oil and sum bees wax
Scientific
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My science background and interests are what brought me to this thread! I'll jump in if I think I have anything useful to offer. Right now, like everyone else here, I'm just really curious about how to optimize all aspects of extraction. I think it's fantastic that actual lab testing is now available at reasonable prices.
I look forward to when we eventually get cannabis off of Schedule 1 so the people with nice labs and federal research money can get to work on this substance that is used by so many and has been for thousands of years.