Dark Matter, Red Sky, Chunky Cherry Thai, BP Skunk In LOS

Highya SO, ITS, guys,

I agree that LOS is like you said. A wide variety of amendments can contribute to LOS. But, like you said, it's the microbes that make it LOS, at least in my opinion.

InTheShed said:
I'm not sure I've heard of someone calling their soil LOS just because they bought potting soil and only fed it with Dr Earth organic top dresses (for example).
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My take on that is if one is using organic supplements, one knows what microbes are, and finding a way to increase the microbes in the soil. Just my opinions, though. Happy Smokin'
 
Thanks for the great discussion!

In terms of synthetic vs LOS, it's very possible to build a soil that is too high in N and fry your plants the way too much N would with synthetic nutes, so having the microbes do the job doesn't eliminate the need to control the amount of an element in the soil.

So is all soil LOS since it contains microbes? And is it still LOS once you start feeding synthetic nutes (since the nutes don't kill the microbes, just makes them less useful in feeding the plant)?

I'm just trying to understand what folks mean when they say they are growing in LOS, since it now seems to be much broader than the way I've always read it online.
 
InTheShed said:
Thanks for the great discussion!

In terms of synthetic vs LOS, it's very possible to build a soil that is too high in N and fry your plants the way too much N would with synthetic nutes, so having the microbes do the job doesn't eliminate the need to control the amount of an element in the soil.

So is all soil LOS since it contains microbes? And is it still LOS once you start feeding synthetic nutes (since the nutes don't kill the microbes, just makes them less useful in feeding the plant)?

I'm just trying to understand what folks mean when they say they are growing in LOS, since it now seems to be much broader than the way I've always read it online.
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Can I add a question (guess this one makes it two)?

Would the LOS still be considered LOS after all the nutrients have been depleted?

Edit- Ps- I'm loving this conversation, very informative :green_heart:. I feel like a kid in the back of the class listening and trying to keep up, hence why I wanted to ask. As clearly there is a correlation between the nutrients and microbes, when one is depleted would that not effect the other?
 
The only time I would consider the use of LOS (Living Organic Soil) is applying organic inputs to a soil innoculated with microbes and growing vegetation on purpose. Nutshell version. I'd focus on the Living part. Happy Smokin'
 
InTheShed said:
Thanks for the great discussion!

In terms of synthetic vs LOS, it's very possible to build a soil that is too high in N and fry your plants the way too much N would with synthetic nutes, so having the microbes do the job doesn't eliminate the need to control the amount of an element in the soil.

So is all soil LOS since it contains microbes? And is it still LOS once you start feeding synthetic nutes (since the nutes don't kill the microbes, just makes them less useful in feeding the plant)?

I'm just trying to understand what folks mean when they say they are growing in LOS, since it now seems to be much broader than the way I've always read it online.
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I'd like to say yes all soil is LOS but we might be defining it right now. I don't know what happens to the microbes after we feed with synth nutes. The way I see it is what I've read about the process of LOS feeding.
A plant either eats through its own choices through the old fashioned LOS method we made the soil for, or we have to make decisions for it as we go with synth. and bypass its choice making.

Geoflora magically got LOS(maybe)(likely) to our focus. I have a couple of other brands of similar old school products. One I ran veg and bloom for my tomatoes last year that I would grow weed with.Sorry no name. It has most of the raw components geoflora uses and I as well when I mix up a batch of soil. Roots organic has a line out. I have some of that for top dressing tomatoes. I'd use that on top like geoflora.
 
Rexer said:
Can I add a question (guess this one makes it two)?

Would the LOS still be considered LOS after all the nutrients have been depleted?

Edit- Ps- I'm loving this conversation, very informative :green_heart:. I feel like a kid in the back of the class listening and trying to keep up, hence why I wanted to ask. As clearly there is a correlation between the nutrients and microbes, when one is depleted would that not effect the other?
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Hey Rex, yes I'd say so. It happens every harvest. Then I re amend the soil with the goodies the plant needs, cook, grow, repeat.
 
I asked this same question in Emilya's thread, but do you think these nutes would work in a small pot organic grow? I'm limited to 2 gal max and that's too small apparently to sustain a microbe population as well as too small to hold enough nutes to make it all the way through the grow. I'm wondering if these nutes would be a way for me to deal with my limitations. I don't mind adding nutes all along the way.
 
Highya SO, Az, guys,

@InTheShed grows a few in 3 litre containers, I think. You might peruse some journals for small pots. Happy Smokin'
 
Bode said:
Highya SO, Az, guys,

@InTheShed grows a few in 3 litre containers, I think. You might peruse some journals for small pots. Happy Smokin'
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I don't think he's doing organic grows though. Could be wrong.
 
Bode said:
Highya SO, Az, guys,

@InTheShed grows a few in 3 litre containers, I think. You might peruse some journals for small pots. Happy Smokin'
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3 liters is 3/4 gallon? Much smaller than my finals at 7 gallons (28 liter). Only time I grow in smaller than that is when I use the Big Gulp cup and flower between my t-shirts in the closet.
Azimuth said:
I don't think he's doing organic grows though. Could be wrong.
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You are correct. I gave GF the old college try but never managed to keep the yellowing at bay. I figured if I have to supplement then I might as well go back to mixing nutes.

Since then GF had changed their feeding instructions to "feed as much/often as you need to make your plants happy." :)
 
Azimuth said:
I asked this same question in Emilya's thread, but do you think these nutes would work in a small pot organic grow? I'm limited to 2 gal max and that's too small apparently to sustain a microbe population as well as too small to hold enough nutes to make it all the way through the grow. I'm wondering if these nutes would be a way for me to deal with my limitations. I don't mind adding nutes all along the way.
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I bet it would. I've run 1 gallon plants for seeds before. I had to keep them very small. Try one. You may have to change the time of every two weeks to something more often. Also If you start with a supersoil it will help. Pre charging the soil before planting is something I'd do too.
Virgin Ground said:
Hey stranger.:hugs:
Glad that I got to see your harvest.
They all look amazing Stone.
Each one a looker!:drool:You sure have a way with the ladies.

You're still using the Mega,right?
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Yep, heh! Missed this post! There's a first for everything and this is the first time I've heard that! :laugh: The ladies hahahaha! :love:
 
Azimuth said:
I asked this same question in Emilya's thread, but do you think these nutes would work in a small pot organic grow? I'm limited to 2 gal max and that's too small apparently to sustain a microbe population as well as too small to hold enough nutes to make it all the way through the grow. I'm wondering if these nutes would be a way for me to deal with my limitations. I don't mind adding nutes all along the way.
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I bet it would. I've run 1 gallon plants for seeds before. I had to keep them very small. Try one. You may have to change the time of every two weeks to something more often. Also If you start with a supersoil it will help. Pre charging the soil before planting is something I'd do too. Here's the small pot grown stankberry mother of seeds plant. She delivered tons of good seeds! I have to check the capacity of those pots! They don't look full gallon to me.
Edit: I found the following:
  • NOTE: 1 gallon of loose soil will fit in this pot when compacted. Actual liquid volume is 2.9 quarts.
So it is smaller! Go for it!
 
DonkeyDick said:
SO beat me.

I just finished a girl scout cookie in a 2g pot with GF all the way and she came in fine. Three tbsp every fortnight, myco and water. No worries.
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Fantastic DoubleD! I thought it would be good! However many times I saw your plant I missed that part! That's a real nice grow! Feel free to post us a pic.
 
Here she was the day before she came down
GSC’s in the Stable

GSC’s in the Stable


And harvest day
GSC #1

GSC #1

Flip day 70

Fridge drying now so nothing more to report at this stage.
:ciao:
 
InTheShed said:
Thanks for the great discussion!

In terms of synthetic vs LOS, it's very possible to build a soil that is too high in N and fry your plants the way too much N would with synthetic nutes, so having the microbes do the job doesn't eliminate the need to control the amount of an element in the soil.

So is all soil LOS since it contains microbes? And is it still LOS once you start feeding synthetic nutes (since the nutes don't kill the microbes, just makes them less useful in feeding the plant)?

I'm just trying to understand what folks mean when they say they are growing in LOS, since it now seems to be much broader than the way I've always read it online.
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There's one more thing. The magic isn't necessarily what appears.(which is not much so far to you I think) The beauty of this stuff is that we can use it without cooking the soil first. That's a big plus. As far as I know, if I put the components in geoflora off the shelf into the soil and grow, I'd kill my plants without cooking it first. I just put a heaping 4 cups on top of the soil for skankberry lady today. I don't know how to do that with pure inputs. I think Stank does it but I haven't.
 
StoneOtter said:
Oh yes! That's how it's done @Azimuth ! Beautiful Donkey Thanks!
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Cheers SO kind of you to say but all I did was water it. ;)
Also, I’ll mix GF into soil the day I transplant. Seems fine.
 
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