Perhaps a regular sheet of plexi above, and perforated plexi for the lower one. Plants transpire a lot and any time I've had one pressed up against a surface there was plenty of moisture and mold.
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DankWolf907
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Hey newbie grwer! Thanks for stopping by and adding an engineers angle! Notes taken
Brilliant! Perforated plexiglass sounds like a winner!
Still need to aquire funds before i attempt this...
Brilliant! Perforated plexiglass sounds like a winner!
Still need to aquire funds before i attempt this...
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DankWolf907
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Morning Gramma!
Still trying to figure this cloning bit out myself. Nearly posted this 'whys it happening like this' post yesterday..
I seem to have near 100% success when i take it back to MY roots and clone like this
Out, in open room, uncontrolled RH environment. Where its usually 25% here in ak..
Why do i have such success like this, opposed to:
Rockwool cubes or DIY bubbler, or starter peat pot, in a RH rich enviroment (60-75%RH), with air circulation, and with trimming the leaves.. I have less then 50% success. ... Go figure! Why?
Anyone?
Dr Bob
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Hey Dank!
I'm in for this.
Bob
I'm in for this.
Bob
I think sometimes you just can't beat soil for cloning. I use two Dixie cups, one clear and one black. Soil and cutting in black cup with the clear one on top as a cover. I open once a day and spray it for a few days and then just leave it open after about 5 days. So far it hasn't failed me.
I think that nature has spent all the time in the world haha literally, adapting to growing in dirt so it just works.
I think that nature has spent all the time in the world haha literally, adapting to growing in dirt so it just works.
AKgramma
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I'm going to have to adjust my methods. Before I could just leave everything in my dome till new leaves started to appear. But it looks like the extra humidiy is rotting my clones, and so I have to leave the cover open a lot. Maybe it's the 6 hour days. Even under indoor lights, the plants know what's happening outside.
Subbed because this looks so dang interesting!
However you hold the two stems together, the key theory in grafting is to make sure the capilaries line up at at least one point. Roughly, this means that the outer surface of the root stock aligns with the outer surface of the grafted cutting.
I prefer a V cut with a smooth shared face between the cutting above and the root stock below.
The issue with growing a cola horizontally, it is wants to grow towards light.
One day after violently supercropping the top cola off to the right side, the end has turned to the light.
One week later the cola and branch have grown parallel to the other buds
Two weeks later, the top cola has almost pulled even in height (but not 6 inches taller, so the supercrop worked
) 
These photos were taken at 3-5 weeks of 11/13 light when lots of stretch/growth is still happening. Your idea might work during the final weeks of flower, but hanging a supplemental light sideways near the cola would be easier
P.S. On rereading, I guess you meant to hold a cola sideways with a pane of glass. That would be an experiment where I can't predict the results.
And BTW - notice I don't keep my girls 12-18" away from the 600w HPS
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Hey Dank!
I'm in for this.
Bob
Glad to have ya Bob
Agreed. Not sure how i would do growing outside of dirt. Its always done what its needed, for the most part-outside of stupid human error
Rad
Welcome and thanks for popping in.Sounds like you have experience grafting,..MJ? Do you have any journals or blogs discussing this?
mokel
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i think it's in german something like that is called 'Veredelung' or 'pfropfen', grafting in english if i hadn't misunderstood your idea ...
you take a piece of plant a, attach it to plant b and that's it. if they're compatible the pieces will meld. it works best when used with strains with similar genetic characteristics but generaly it should work with most of the strains, maybe going to be more difficult to meld em, but still possible.
i'm sorry i can't find the thread (german forum) anymore, but the most grafting done i encountered till now was to a mother that could be used to clone 4 different strains, depending on which part of the plant you took a clone as the branch will keep its original dna.
it's mostly done with fruit trees like apple and pears but should be possible with every compatible plant as far as i know
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found it, german of course ... google translate .... so if anything is messed up by google just gimme a call, i'll then try to correct that part
a german blog said:Several varieties of a cannabis plant or mother is theoretically and practically possible: The so-called grafting is a finishing and copying equipment in plants which has been used for hundreds of years for ornamental and fruit trees in order to reproduce them or to improve. There are several techniques thereby.
Grafting of cannabis is one of the relatively unknown and rather less documented refining and augmentation procedures. For processing or reproduction while a clone with a mother plant is assembled. Clone and mother plant have thereby usually different but similar genetics (eg in an 8 Ball Kush is a Kandy Kush grafted). The cut cuttings is inserted into the cut trunk of a young mother plant. The aim is that the clone after some time with the mother plant, on which he put (grafted) was growing together. The two different genetic systems combine This is therefore another and eventually grow as a plant more if all goes well.
There could be several reasons to use the method of grafting in plants. When crop is so often the quality of a plant can be further improved, and certain benefits are created. When cannabis grafting has mainly the advantage that it provides the opportunity to have a small space on only one (parent) plant grow different varieties. Later genetically different from one mother plant cuttings can then be taken, ie different kinds of clones. This method can save space when keeping mother plants. Pro mother plant up to 3 different varieties can be grafted and thus the personal choices can be significantly increased. From the point at which the clone was grafted, the plant bears on this part, only the genetics of the clone. If a cannabis plant as was grafted with three different varieties and is made to bloom, they will produce three different types of grass.
When cannabis grafting itself is not quite as easy as with many fruit trees. The botanically similar, the two varieties, which are joined together, the higher the probability that the method will be successful.
Cannabis Grafting - How to do:
This transplanting and ingrowth into the other cannabis plant at a temperature between 24 ° C and 27 ° C is ideal. Elevated humidity is also very important. The points at which the clone is inserted into the mother plant must not dry out, because it would be prevented by the fact that it comes to the desired compound. If the tissue dries up at the junction, the stopper does not work anymore. Between the clone and the parent plant sufficient contact surface to exist when both are connected.
Grafting Cannabis
For this purpose, either a powerful runner or the main stem is cut cut of a young mother plant and a V-shape. Here use a disinfected scalpel or very sharp knife. One should make sure that it is possible at the respective interfaces with no contamination by bacteria or other contaminants, so previously cleaned, disinfected and ensure a clean environment all the tools thoroughly both the clone as well as the parent plant.
Cannabis grafting grafting cannabis
At the interface a little Clonex can be deleted so that the clone grows better. Of course, both the clone and the parent plant should be healthy and vigorous. Some varieties of cannabis are more compatible than other varieties. There is no rule that one could determine the degree of compatibility between varieties. Therefore, here is only the trial and error method, so try and experiment.
The interface will then wrapped with tape so they will not dry out, and the two parts of plants good contact with each other.
Subsequently, the clone and the interface freezer bag wrapped around a high humidity for 3 days in a (new) will be ensured. At best such a way that no journal abuts against the film. The first or the music that gets the being rooted clone then can be even kringelich. This is normal and has to do with the conversion of the clone / the plant. After some time, and when more new music to come not typically occurs this phenomenon then.
Ennoble cannabis
After about 8 days of the clone has rooted on the mother plant and is now growing as more. The tape should be still some time off because initially there is no firm connection between the two varieties.
or so:
graft
It is up to individual growers these many yet unknown method of cannabis develop individual experimentation and to provide more knowledge to other growers, so that is another way of effective and versatile cannabis cultivation and refining even further perfected and is known. As already mentioned, it is not easy to graft Cannabis and you should bring some patience and give several attempts. All the better when it finally collapsed.
Yeah, like the multi variety fruit trees you can make a multi strain mother if you desire. Like Rad said the key is lining up the capillaries, know as the cambium layer.
Morning Gramma!
Still trying to figure this cloning bit out myself. Nearly posted this 'whys it happening like this' post yesterday..
I seem to have near 100% success when i take it back to MY roots and clone like this
Out, in open room, uncontrolled RH environment. Where its usually 25% here in ak..
Why do i have such success like this, opposed to:
Rockwool cubes or DIY bubbler, or starter peat pot, in a RH rich enviroment (60-75%RH), with air circulation, and with trimming the leaves.. I have less then 50% success. ... Go figure! Why?
Anyone?
It's a stumper on why some can do it one way and some can only do it another with success. LOL I have pretty much 100% success in just plain rainwater these days in a root plug for no other reason than to keep the root area away from bright sunlight, sitting in a windowsill with no specific room temp or RH planned or adjusted. Just like Mom and Grandmom used to do. ;-)
Clonex gel, root plug, heat mat controlled at 78 degrees under a 10x20 tray with a dome. Mist the inside of the dome when you first place them in. Take the dome off and put it right back on once a day, Make sure it stays moist, not dripping. As soon as you see roots emerging from the plugs open the dome vents and moisten the plugs with low strength nute water, and put some nute water in the tray. In 3 or so more days the roots will have really grown and will be searching. Inoculate with myco if desired and transplant. I've have near 100% success doing that. Make sure the trays and domes are clean, as well as cutting tools. I used alcohol.
AKgramma
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The V cut grafting method has been used by horticulturists for many decades to graft delicate fruiting branches onto a hardier, disease-resistant stock. There is no reason why it can't work with cannibus. It's worth a try if you break a stem off a lady who has a thick/woody stem. You should wrap the graft with bees wax or honey to prevent infection and wrap the whole thing with something flexible, like gauze. If the branch eventually starts growing new leaves, you'll know the graft was a success.
The V-cut's advantage is that the graft has a sturdy seat, and won't slip out of place.
Rad
Sounds like you have experience grafting,..MJ? Do you have any journals or blogs discussing this?
Most of my grafting experience is sitting at the local garden club watching other people graft stuff.
No experience with cannabis. The way some plants vigorously recover from supercropping if you catch them right, grafting should work like they say it works.
- - I guess you caught me in a 'talking through my hat' post
I've always wanted to try grafting. This thread might be the push I needed. LOL
I found a little clip on the net with a method worth pondering:
I found a little clip on the net with a method worth pondering:
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Long night and a slow morning. Good reading to wake up to
Sorry i missed this lastnight..
Yessir, the idea actually turned plexiglass. I was thinking it probably wouldnt help much in flower, (unless some sort of under bud reflector works).
I had another idea, New led light. NO idea if its feasible as i read alot of leaf burning from LEDs. Is there a small enough output to keep it closer?
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Several mini leds, hanging from a ring positioned above vertical cola. Changable ring for small to thick cola. Strands of leds hang and desired hieghts, circling the entire bud. Like a hollow chandelier?
I do see your ladies cozyied upto the light. Thats a beautiful thing, so contradictory to everything ive seen and heard
reps
Im confidant youll be successful with little practice. Giver a go sometime and keep us in the loop?
Thanks for the clip too
@mokel, thanks for researching a german thread and providing translation
Sorry i missed this lastnight..
Yessir, the idea actually turned plexiglass. I was thinking it probably wouldnt help much in flower, (unless some sort of under bud reflector works).
I had another idea, New led light. NO idea if its feasible as i read alot of leaf burning from LEDs. Is there a small enough output to keep it closer?
-the Buddelier-
Several mini leds, hanging from a ring positioned above vertical cola. Changable ring for small to thick cola. Strands of leds hang and desired hieghts, circling the entire bud. Like a hollow chandelier?
I do see your ladies cozyied upto the light. Thats a beautiful thing, so contradictory to everything ive seen and heard
repsI love reading and re reading this
Im confidant youll be successful with little practice. Giver a go sometime and keep us in the loop?Thanks for the clip too
@mokel, thanks for researching a german thread and providing translation
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DankWolf907
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I like growing, and love tinkering. To tinker, was my reason for grafting. A pick-N-choose mother does sound fun
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nah experience is experience, more then i have in the area
Kind of like a reverse of the vertical scrog idea, but less work. I bet it would make for a very fat and healthy looking bud.
JahMedicine
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Came across a lot of moose shit this summer! had a few in my tree planting pieces.. I always planted trees in the poop . super fertilizer i guess haha. Your leaving out bear shit, deer shit, the elusive porcupine shit. I was always excited to see poop because generally animals would hang out where the ground was nice and soft easy plantin! 