Thanks for taking on the experiment, Stank. Can't wait to see the results!
Cottage 420's Organic Perpetual Indoor Garden
Thanks for taking on the experiment, Stank. Can't wait to see the results!
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My VEG room is in constant route bound ..... to the flower room.
The area they come from gets battered by winds. Anywhere from 40 to 80kmh on a daily basis. And for pollen collection, my best suggestion would be to gather it all in the dustbin....or keep a cut and smoke some of the lady 1st. Not sure if it's because I spent so much time smoking it but it's not that great and certainly not worth breeding with imo. It's why the genetics get muddied so easily, you smoke an overseas strain and suddenly that "landrace" seems average at best. I never even liked smoking cannabis that much until I smoke white window and was wowed by it.
And it shouldn't be showing any pink / purple on the stems even under LEDs but you have said it's been stressed a bit. Are those aphids or something on it?
And it shouldn't be showing any pink / purple on the stems even under LEDs but you have said it's been stressed a bit. Are those aphids or something on it?
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Yes aphids. Its isolated and being treated. I cant get rid of those fvcks. Getting close tho.
The aphids are attracted to the Transkei for some reason.
This male is worthy for sure he's sticky smelly and strong like an ox.
Be good for a hybrid for outdoor up here. Gotta get the flowering time down. We on a mountain in upstate ny. We get wind. A lot of wind.
The aphids are attracted to the Transkei for some reason.
This male is worthy for sure he's sticky smelly and strong like an ox.
Be good for a hybrid for outdoor up here. Gotta get the flowering time down. We on a mountain in upstate ny. We get wind. A lot of wind.
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Here's some info about plant breeding.
Breeding Terms w/ Definitions.
“F1”
F1 stands for a "first generation hybrid". When two strains with completely different genotypes breed, for example, a Master Kush with Durban Poison, their offspring will be an F1 hybrid. When this hybrid is bred together with another F1 hybrid from the same batch (a sister or a brother), it creates an F2 hybrid. When this process is repeated, it creates an F3, then F4, and so on. After F5, the plants can be considered as IBL.
“IBL”
IBL stands for “inbred line”, meaning that after several generations of hybridising a specific lineage, the strains become almost like a different family of strains. Skunks were hybridised and selected for their very pungent and potent nature, and after many generations, they developed into the Cheese family, which can be called an IBL.
“POLY-HYBRIDS”
Poly-hybrids derive from mixing completely different hybrids with each other. For example, Master Kush and Durban Poison produce offspring called F1(A); AK-47 and White Widow produce an offspring called F1(B). When F1(A) and F1(B) have a lovechild, it will be coined as a poly-hybrid.
“BACKCROSSES”
Backcrossing refers to taking a hybrid strain and breeding it back with the original parent. For example, a male Chocolope and a female Jack Herer develop an F1 hybrid. When this F1 hybrid is hybridised with the original female Jack Herer, the resulting strain will be coined as BX1. When this BX1 gets backcrossed again with the original female Jack Herer, it will be coined as BX2, and so on. The genetics of the original female strain can be retained by keeping the plant in the vegetative stage as a mother, keeping the cuttings as clones or using tissue culture propagation.
“SELFING”
Selfing is when a mother plant is pollinated by herself. Breeders use special chemicals on female plants to induce stress, which results in the plants producing male flowers, which produce pollen. When this pollen in used on the female flowers of the same plant or a clone from the same mother, the resulting seeds will be “selfed” or coined as S1. When the S1 seeds are backcrossed with the original parent, they’re called S2, S3, and so on. Breeders often do this to preserve the genetics of the strain, and to feminize the seeds.
Breeding Terms w/ Definitions.
“F1”
F1 stands for a "first generation hybrid". When two strains with completely different genotypes breed, for example, a Master Kush with Durban Poison, their offspring will be an F1 hybrid. When this hybrid is bred together with another F1 hybrid from the same batch (a sister or a brother), it creates an F2 hybrid. When this process is repeated, it creates an F3, then F4, and so on. After F5, the plants can be considered as IBL.
“IBL”
IBL stands for “inbred line”, meaning that after several generations of hybridising a specific lineage, the strains become almost like a different family of strains. Skunks were hybridised and selected for their very pungent and potent nature, and after many generations, they developed into the Cheese family, which can be called an IBL.
“POLY-HYBRIDS”
Poly-hybrids derive from mixing completely different hybrids with each other. For example, Master Kush and Durban Poison produce offspring called F1(A); AK-47 and White Widow produce an offspring called F1(B). When F1(A) and F1(B) have a lovechild, it will be coined as a poly-hybrid.
“BACKCROSSES”
Backcrossing refers to taking a hybrid strain and breeding it back with the original parent. For example, a male Chocolope and a female Jack Herer develop an F1 hybrid. When this F1 hybrid is hybridised with the original female Jack Herer, the resulting strain will be coined as BX1. When this BX1 gets backcrossed again with the original female Jack Herer, it will be coined as BX2, and so on. The genetics of the original female strain can be retained by keeping the plant in the vegetative stage as a mother, keeping the cuttings as clones or using tissue culture propagation.
“SELFING”
Selfing is when a mother plant is pollinated by herself. Breeders use special chemicals on female plants to induce stress, which results in the plants producing male flowers, which produce pollen. When this pollen in used on the female flowers of the same plant or a clone from the same mother, the resulting seeds will be “selfed” or coined as S1. When the S1 seeds are backcrossed with the original parent, they’re called S2, S3, and so on. Breeders often do this to preserve the genetics of the strain, and to feminize the seeds.
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Yes indeed watering all the time that is why I dont ever finish in a one gallon, Plus.... I'm to much of a chicken.
In my earthbox junior a mid flower plant will take about a gallon a day, drinking the sub-resouvoir dry in one day, I am not sure how much soil is in the container, I can mound the top dress and soil up under the mulch cover so maybe 4-5 gallons . But I can get away with watering every other day at max drinking. I have been trying to simplify the watering system and plan a move to the autopot system someday but not today. I am in a gorilla shorty tent so I have a need to keep the containers small-ish, tent is 2 x 2.5 x 4 feet11in.
If I had to water 2 times a day or so I would forget, I know I would.
My opinion, the secret to my success in small containers is EM-1 and grow kashi with a nice top dress. I am using build a soil craft blend for top dress.
It helps to keep the micro environment going in the soil. I use build a soil oly mix.
It is not 'no till', I dump and remix with fresh everything every 4-5 grows about once a year.
In any event, That is my solution to smaller container growing. Not 100% solution but gets harvest in jars for me.
Ok but don't say I didn't warn you...Another grower bred with some swazi he got from me that also was "beastly and smelly" and he ended up with the worst smoke he says he's ever had. Again might just be up your ally though.
Not sure why landraces are so big elsewhere or why people want them, at least ours. Like almost 100% of the time overseas guys would bring strains here, everyone wanted to grow them instead. I've been bitten by the seed making / breeding bug and I wouldn't even bother pollinating female strain from here.
So in short I really don't seem to like our local strains...lols
One word....recessive genes
They are looking to pair some unusual recessive genes that have been lost in many of the poly-hybrids and pollen chucking that goes on. Breeders aren't looking for dominant characteristics really anymore, its all about unlocking stuff that no one else has and to do that you generally have to do one of two things. Either grow a MASSIVE MASSIVE pheno hunt grows, consisting of hundreds of plants.....or you can reduce that by looking into the landrace side of things and try to find a recessive trait that will pair up with the recessive traits in our more common genetics. The professions are going deep into gene trackers and what not...all scientific and what not. They are looking at the DNA sequencing and determining what markers are responsible for different gene characteristics. Fascinating stuff for sure but well above my paygrade for now.
Its kind of like the people going back and trying to find the original terps in the skunk strain. Those were bred out during prohibition to make growing stealthy possible. Now we are trying to find original stock that contains those traits that we worked so hard to get rid of. Pairing OGs with other popular hype strains of today isn't going to give you anywhere near the number of unique recessive traits that you would get by pairing it with a landrace Nepalese or Durban or native Panama strain. That doesn't mean that the pairing will necessarily be a winner....just that the chances are higher in finding something unique and unique is what people are looking for.
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Yes indeed watering all the time that is why I dont ever finish in a one gallon, Plus.... I'm to much of a chicken.
In my earthbox junior a mid flower plant will take about a gallon a day, drinking the sub-resouvoir dry in one day, I am not sure how much soil is in the container, I can mound the top dress and soil up under the mulch cover so maybe 4-5 gallons . But I can get away with watering every other day at max drinking. I have been trying to simplify the watering system and plan a move to the autopot system someday but not today. I am in a gorilla shorty tent so I have a need to keep the containers small-ish, tent is 2 x 2.5 x 4 feet11in.
If I had to water 2 times a day or so I would forget, I know I would.
My opinion, the secret to my success in small containers is EM-1 and grow kashi with a nice top dress. I am using build a soil craft blend for top dress.
It helps to keep the micro environment going in the soil. I use build a soil oly mix.
It is not 'no till', I dump and remix with fresh everything every 4-5 grows about once a year.
In any event, That is my solution to smaller container growing. Not 100% solution but gets harvest in jars for me.
Yer pretty much doing what I do - cept I'm on a little bit larger scale but I gots some room to work so very helpful.
I just use the same soil very similar to you and just re-amend each transplant top dress when I feel like... Most of my work in the new place has been battling cannabis pests not sure where they are coming from.
Cleaning is my new hobby.
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This.... I've grown my fair share of poly-hybrids. Best weed ever was prolly Durban x C99 from Snowhigh. He's a breeder that does just this. His pheno hunt is still a thing for sure but its a lot easier when the gene waters are more clear.
That male that I have. Easiest biggest smelly sticky male I've ever grown. So that right there is big. I've always read that its the male that makes the difference.
I've got some good VEG plants going now. Its gonna get fun. I can pheno hunt outdoors this summer.
Those labs are going to have to dig deep to find anything note worthy from our strains. People have been pairing them for years here and with large plant counts...still meh imo.
And the plants are vigorous for sure, nice fruity terps, decent yield and pm resistant. Just the smoke is really average. Sorry to be a bit of a negative nancy here it's just that I feel I should give you ample warning as it's an entire season or breeding session to spend on what should really be a novelty grow.
Had a near identical conversation with the guy who tried the swazi...but maybe you get lucky and find a diamond in the rough.
And the plants are vigorous for sure, nice fruity terps, decent yield and pm resistant. Just the smoke is really average. Sorry to be a bit of a negative nancy here it's just that I feel I should give you ample warning as it's an entire season or breeding session to spend on what should really be a novelty grow.
Had a near identical conversation with the guy who tried the swazi...but maybe you get lucky and find a diamond in the rough.
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I get what yer saying @NoobyMacDooby and appreciate the heads up. I have zero expectations.
Terps, vigor and PM resistance is exactly what I'm looking for.
I did 1 outdoor grow that counted and yeah the poly-hybrids are not very well suited for that endeavor. There aint no wind and rain indoors. A fan even a large fan aint even close to what we get here wind wise and it could rain good specially if there's an early winter coming.
This will probably be the case this year. More rain and earlier season end.
We just had a drought last summer and then a 20-24" snow event that no-one round these parts have seen even the old timers.
Check out the polar-vortex. It split up last a few weeks ago and in December we had a La Nina event thats still going. Lotsa weather going on. Friends in Florida scraping ice off windows today and it was above freezing here today which is really weird. Should be like 20F not 40F.
I wanna grow out doors specially once prohibition is over. I've got room.
Seeds are important specially to locals turn some landrace genetics into Heirloom hybrids. Same deal as veggies. We collect seeds every year keep the best plants for seeds. Pass them on to friends.
Terps, vigor and PM resistance is exactly what I'm looking for.
I did 1 outdoor grow that counted and yeah the poly-hybrids are not very well suited for that endeavor. There aint no wind and rain indoors. A fan even a large fan aint even close to what we get here wind wise and it could rain good specially if there's an early winter coming.
This will probably be the case this year. More rain and earlier season end.
We just had a drought last summer and then a 20-24" snow event that no-one round these parts have seen even the old timers.
Check out the polar-vortex. It split up last a few weeks ago and in December we had a La Nina event thats still going. Lotsa weather going on. Friends in Florida scraping ice off windows today and it was above freezing here today which is really weird. Should be like 20F not 40F.
I wanna grow out doors specially once prohibition is over. I've got room.
Seeds are important specially to locals turn some landrace genetics into Heirloom hybrids. Same deal as veggies. We collect seeds every year keep the best plants for seeds. Pass them on to friends.
great reading the last couple days. And that’s one stunner of a male you have there. Wow! 
Ok man but to be honest I regret sharing these seeds now. Never thought people would want to breed with them and basically fuck up any good weed that they had going. But good luck, you'll need it seeing as literal decades of people breeding with it here turned out nothing of significance.
Hey I smoke too much weed to count past oneC'mon, VanS. That's TWO words....
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The challenge is real then. I got a 40 day strain I made with a mutant that turns out really good with what ever I cross it with. A 20 footer of that outdoors will be perfect. Last summer I had a 14 footer that plant was the best weed I grew last year.
These plants are smelling really good right now so I hear what yer sayin but liking what I'm seeing. I grow organically nothing but water no-till so if there's some THC in there I'll coax out the best of it.
I'll get some pics up here. The male is about to pop his nut sacks. He's impressive. I hadda chop him in half just to fit him in his 4x4 solo apartment he fills the whole tent and super-cropped.
I hadda guy that was from down there in SA tell me thats what he got started on puffing as a kid. Said the weed was ok and made him giggle. I like giggling. lol
You spoke to one guy....lols. This isn't giggling weed, its paranoia inducing trash. One of the reasons I never pushed or asked again for seeds in return from this "swap" was because it was so trashy and I felt bad that anyone would send out good stuff they could've grown themselves.
And if you think you can pop 5 seeds to somehow achieve what master growers and breeders couldn't achieve down here you must be the best grower ever. Have fun wasting your time and effort. I tried to warn you, I tried to warn others but for some reason americans just dont take any advice when it comes to landraces.
And no ways your indoor setup or your weak outdoor northern sun is going to beat the sun down here and somehow produce more THC in this strain.
And if you think you can pop 5 seeds to somehow achieve what master growers and breeders couldn't achieve down here you must be the best grower ever. Have fun wasting your time and effort. I tried to warn you, I tried to warn others but for some reason americans just dont take any advice when it comes to landraces.
And no ways your indoor setup or your weak outdoor northern sun is going to beat the sun down here and somehow produce more THC in this strain.
I kinda agree with Nooby a bit. I only find 1 keeper out of hundreds of plants I grow. The majority has been crossed or bred to crap. You might.like it because it's different. Out of 20 years I can count on my fingers the amount of plants I have kept. The ones I have kept are all winners tough. Powerful and reliable. No harm is running a pollination if it is what You want to do. I'm keen to see the results.
Just to add, I'm sure the tsk sits around 18% thc. Maybe a little less so it won't be the worst you had.