Conradino23's Another Outdoor Grow With High Brix Soil - Air-Pots & SoCal Seed Stock

[Big Sur]

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Oh and Conrad: reading your reply about pasta and chicken in northern Italy? Interesting that it is not a thing there. Here in the states, chicken and pasta is very popular. You will see gobs of the stuff in the freezer section at the grocery stores here, ready-made. Americans are big on instant and fast food. Sad that. The Italian place that I cooked at? The owners came in and ate dinner for 3 hours every Friday night. 10-12 courses: Antipasto, calamari appetizers, salad, soup, some BIG pasta dish, chippino, then NY strip steak and veggies, then two or three deserts, like gelato, marscapone, and apple pie. The apple pie was kind of weird in a Italian place, but they loved my apple pies for some reason. Then it was Baileys and coffee. All of this washed down with gobs of red wine as well. Usually an Italian Chiante, which "for some funny reason", were always missing the US import labels Then they would hit the hard sauce, like whiskey and vodka. And someone would want to sample a special that I had come up with that week, or mama would want another helping of meat balls. I would complain to the manager that they ate so much and for so long. He just laughed and said, "You should see the spread at Mama's on Sunday! This is nothing!" I was never invited to the family Sunday Dinner. But I am a northern European descended Protestant, and I did not really want to know what was going on in the family business. If you know what I mean. Monterey was filled with Italians, as was San Francisco. One part of Monterey was even dubbed "Spaghetti Hill".

 

[Big Sur]

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MNS is great, but they don't sell landrace lines, only crosses. What I meant is that with that kind of stock that BigSur has he could offer genuine true breeding lines to general public and his favourite F1 or F2 crosses. I think there's business model somewhere here

Yes there is a business model in there, to a degree. As it stands now, legal weed in Oregon only applies to Oregon. I cannot legally transport or ship any Cannabis products anywhere out of state, including seeds. If I want to sell them in-state, then I have to get an OLCC grow or sales license. I am looking into getting a micro grow license. 2500 sq ft outdoors, 625 sq ft indoors. I would get a 40x60 greenhouse and do an outdoor grow here of boutique strain weed. But I do not know if there is really a market for that here. Mexican landrace strains are not 30% potency Dutch or Emerald Triangle Monsters. Also the Colombians take too long to finish, well into the frost season here. So I would have to go indoors for that. Oregon also allows for a 50/50 (or any percentage) grow canopy, indoors/outdoors. So I could go with a 30x40 greenhouse unlighted outdoor and a 600 sq ft indoor lighted grow. I am waiting to see what Sessions and Trump will do about Cannabis in the near term. Sadly the DEA today announced that it will not even consider lowering cannabis to a Schedule II drug or less. They are sticking firm with Nixon's War On Drugs policy. As of now, all transactions have to be in cash with weed sales in the US, since weed is illegal at the federal level. That is another problem for me. I can back myself financially, but transactions and sales all in cash creates a security issue, and sets me up as a rip off target. Then also there are tax issues, with the feds and the state. And no bank will do any business with a weed store or grower here. So weed is really only quasi legal here.

As for remaining clandestine and shipping worked seeds: I can get a medical card again and grow 10 plants here and 12 clones at a time (meaning males that I keep stunted). So I can produce the seeds. But, shipping is a problem as is doing business internationally. I cannot ship them from here. I looked into relocating my seeds and freezing them in places like Prague, and then using that as a hub for shipping seeds from. But it is tough to run an international really small scale business. Also I do not know anyone in the Czech Republic. I have friends in Slovakia, Italy, Spain, Germany, and England. Canada is cracking down on seed imports and exports now as well. And there are issues of international money transfers, banking, etc. etc. I refuse to deal with Bitcoin. Then there are tax issues. So, I do not see this happening.

 

[Big Sur]

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That is true, great place for great genetics I've been talking about such a thing with other members of these forums but I'm not sure if BigSur would be interested in such a thing. In his signature it says "Sorry...my seeds are not for sale" he may or may not trade but I can't speak for him. I know personally that I have some old seeds that range from the 70's to the 90's (acquired from an old school smoker). Just like me he is from land down under so it would be genetics from what ever came here around that time and in his area of residence. I am told that the older seeds (70-late 80's) are from buds of thai stick (both green and brown variety) and the seeds from the 90's are all skunk. I also have another strain from the 90's (unknown) that was gifted to me by a friend. Finding landraces/heirloom genetics most of the time isn't as easy as clicking a button on a website. Personal connections are a major factor in finding true genetic origins

I put that on my thread because people on this forum were contacting me wanting to buy seeds. Or worse they PMd me and complained about seeds that I developed and that they bought from XYZ seeds in Antarctica, and they failed. I am not a seed vendor. Nor are my seeds for sale, nor have I sold any seeds. I do not say this to cover my ass, I just do not sell seeds. I have given them away on the past (mainly to growers in NorCal and Oregon). I have also traded traded some of them to a few people internationally that I have come to trust. Trading is hit and miss though; some worked and landrace seeds are just bunk. Some are the real deal though. Mine are all the real deal. But many Oaxacan and Morelos strains are not 30% THC Ganja crazy crossed monsters that are so common now. More like 12-15%. The 'lombo strains all finish long and very late. So these may be considered bunk strains to other people. Most seed sales these days are to people that want instant early finishing Blue Window or Purple Dream plants, or Godzilla Glue #57 that grows anywhere, indoor or out. Some over rated Dutch strain that has been worked to death and one hit puts you into a coma, makes you manic, or teleports you to another dimension. South Indian Ganja landraces used to do all three to me.

 

[Big Sur]

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Yeah bamboo is big here too it grows wild. I saw plants around that reached 15-18' easily. I just checked and the common variety here is phyllostachys aurea, which grows even on our land. It's used to support tomatoes and sometimes string beans. It's a strong and nice-looking plant too and I've been using it for biochar frequently. I actually have to go and cut them soon cause our tomato plot is about to burst

Phy. aurea is commonly called Golden or Fishpole bamboo. I grow and sell a lot of it here, it is an intermediate type. It makes a great screen for Cannabis growers (weed must be out of sight of public view in Oregon). I also grow timber bamboos: Phy. nigra, Phy. nigra Henon, Phy. nigra Bory, Phy. nigra Megurochiku, Phy. Vivax, and Phy. Dulcis. They get up to 60 feet tall. They are harder to manage though. I also grow Fargesia pachymorph/clumping bamboos that do not run like the leptomorph bamboo types. I also use bamboo for biochar here, as well as pine branches.

People are already coming back to the roots, cause it's inevitable. Everything starts to smell and look and smoke the same, so golden era treats might end up on the top once again even in crosses and hybrids. Imagine recreating Skunk #1 from landrace stock or developing an alternatives for different climates/clients/markets

Hmm this AU hash got me really stoned

Good AU hash, eh? Pass it over to me for a hit here... eh?

I think that original Skunk would be easy to reproduce. There were many early versions of skunk around in NorCal in the late 1970s. They were not all from Santa Cruz Co. I believe that most were early crosses of Afghani and Mexican/Colombian. I believe that Skunk #1 was an Afghan land race crossed with an early Haze strain, likely when it was only Mexican x Colombian, or the second generation {Mexican X Colombian} x Colombian. Long before it was ever called Haze. I have exemplars of most of the landrace seeds from the bag weed that was going around NorCal from 1976 and on, meaning weed grown from about 1974 and on. I had earlier bag weed and seeds, but I did not start freezing them until 1976. It is easy to get Afghani hash plant seeds here, and even plants. I know of several direct imported strains growing nearby.

As for Cannabis plants being over fed and over saturated with soil ingredients, I am not so sure about that. In grapes you want to reduce vigor to get higher quality and smaller yields. To do that they pune heavy, dry farm, or grow in crappy soil. This is because you want high sugar levels in the grapes. Here in the western US we grow the better grapes along the coast to keep temperature cooler to preserve the acids and tannins. Grown inland where it is a lot hotter and all you get in grapes is sugar and low acid. Meaning raisins and soda pop wine. BTW: did I mention that I planted a Pinot Noir vineyard in Southern Oregon? I am not sure if my ex still has it going or not. Dijon clones 114, 115, 667, and 777. By law you cannot import grapes into Oregon, so I rooted cuttings and sold them around Eugene. It was a one acre test plot to see if it would be commercially viable, and I was going to plant another acres. Sadly the relationship fell apart before that happened. I also grew a shit-load of weed there. about 20 lbs a year...

Anyway, with weed it is different. Early on in Big Sur when people were first growing first and second gen landraces (planting Mexi and 'lombo seeds locally) a lot of the local Big Sur weed had a lot of pineine. Word was that they 'picked up the pine scent' from the Monterey pines growing around there. In actuality, that is not true. MJ makes pineine and all of the terpenes from strands of the terpene molecular unit called isoprene. Mexican sativa strains commonly have a lot of pineine. Or rather, they did. I dunno about now. Cannabis is a master at making terpenes, and I believe that it why it was so successful and domesticated so early by humans. It attracted us by the smells it could make and the ripe seeds for food. Later came the fiber and high from eating or steeping it after it had dried. Smoking weed has not really been around that long. But overall, grown in different climates and in different temperatures and in different soils, and being cured differently, the results will vary. However, in Cannabis, I believe that genetics dominate the results. I have grown one strain of Oaxaca up and down the US west coast, and it is always super minty. I think this is the case because of the fact that the indigenous people in Oaxaca steeped their Marihuana and drank it as a tea to get high, rather than smoke it. Over time they created a super minty land race strain. Many still think that it was the curing and soil, but I have found that not to be the case. Its just super minty stuff, regardless of where it is grown. First gen anyway. I have not tried to breed this one. It is rather mild on the potency scale. Though people seem to love smoking it. Its like menthol cigarettes. Hmmmmm, how about a minty skunk? All I need is an Afgahn breeder.

 

[ilikemsticky]

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morning conrad how are your girls doing,i thought i would give you an update on the little girls there plugging rite along!

 

[Conradino23]

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Oh and Conrad: reading your reply about pasta and chicken in northern Italy? Interesting that it is not a thing there. Here in the states, chicken and pasta is very popular. You will see gobs of the stuff in the freezer section at the grocery stores here, ready-made. Americans are big on instant and fast food. Sad that. The Italian place that I cooked at? The owners came in and ate dinner for 3 hours every Friday night. 10-12 courses: Antipasto, calamari appetizers, salad, soup, some BIG pasta dish, chippino, then NY strip steak and veggies, then two or three deserts, like gelato, marscapone, and apple pie. The apple pie was kind of weird in a Italian place, but they loved my apple pies for some reason. Then it was Baileys and coffee. All of this washed down with gobs of red wine as well. Usually an Italian Chiante, which "for some funny reason", were always missing the US import labels Then they would hit the hard sauce, like whiskey and vodka. And someone would want to sample a special that I had come up with that week, or mama would want another helping of meat balls. I would complain to the manager that they ate so much and for so long. He just laughed and said, "You should see the spread at Mama's on Sunday! This is nothing!" I was never invited to the family Sunday Dinner. But I am a northern European descended Protestant, and I did not really want to know what was going on in the family business. If you know what I mean. Monterey was filled with Italians, as was San Francisco. One part of Monterey was even dubbed "Spaghetti Hill".

Yeah it's a blasphemy here, you just don't do it! I enjoy your cooking stories a lot, man

Yes there is a business model in there, to a degree. As it stands now, legal weed in Oregon only applies to Oregon. I cannot legally transport or ship any Cannabis products anywhere out of state, including seeds. If I want to sell them in-state, then I have to get an OLCC grow or sales license. I am looking into getting a micro grow license. 2500 sq ft outdoors, 625 sq ft indoors. I would get a 40x60 greenhouse and do an outdoor grow here of boutique strain weed. But I do not know if there is really a market for that here. Mexican landrace strains are not 30% potency Dutch or Emerald Triangle Monsters. Also the Colombians take too long to finish, well into the frost season here. So I would have to go indoors for that. Oregon also allows for a 50/50 (or any percentage) grow canopy, indoors/outdoors. So I could go with a 30x40 greenhouse unlighted outdoor and a 600 sq ft indoor lighted grow. I am waiting to see what Sessions and Trump will do about Cannabis in the near term. Sadly the DEA today announced that it will not even consider lowering cannabis to a Schedule II drug or less. They are sticking firm with Nixon's War On Drugs policy. As of now, all transactions have to be in cash with weed sales in the US, since weed is illegal at the federal level. That is another problem for me. I can back myself financially, but transactions and sales all in cash creates a security issue, and sets me up as a rip off target. Then also there are tax issues, with the feds and the state. And no bank will do any business with a weed store or grower here. So weed is really only quasi legal here.

As for remaining clandestine and shipping worked seeds: I can get a medical card again and grow 10 plants here and 12 clones at a time (meaning males that I keep stunted). So I can produce the seeds. But, shipping is a problem as is doing business internationally. I cannot ship them from here. I looked into relocating my seeds and freezing them in places like Prague, and then using that as a hub for shipping seeds from. But it is tough to run an international really small scale business. Also I do not know anyone in the Czech Republic. I have friends in Slovakia, Italy, Spain, Germany, and England. Canada is cracking down on seed imports and exports now as well. And there are issues of international money transfers, banking, etc. etc. I refuse to deal with Bitcoin. Then there are tax issues. So, I do not see this happening.

Yeah there are problems of many kinds as always with businesses that re relatively new and risky. I hear that in legal states it's all about the potency. I even heard breeders it's all customer are looking at. If it's not at least 20% they won't take it. Now there are landraces that go much more than that, African sativas particularly and all these Hindu Kush indicas, but definitely not Mexican or Colombian strains, these will be 10-15% on average. However you might try to play with different crosses to cut flowering time, improve certain traits, flavours etc. You may also look into outdoor market to provide strains that have strong mold or pest resistance or just go straight into seed market. The best country to run seed business ATM is Spain, where you can operate legally as cannabis club and grow quite a lot of plants providing you have certain number of registered members. Selling seeds in Spain is even easier, but then obviously you'd have to get into some kind of arrangement if you want to do your breeding in Oregon. It's worth trying something anyway.

I put that on my thread because people on this forum were contacting me wanting to buy seeds. Or worse they PMd me and complained about seeds that I developed and that they bought from XYZ seeds in Antarctica, and they failed. I am not a seed vendor. Nor are my seeds for sale, nor have I sold any seeds. I do not say this to cover my ass, I just do not sell seeds. I have given them away on the past (mainly to growers in NorCal and Oregon). I have also traded traded some of them to a few people internationally that I have come to trust. Trading is hit and miss though; some worked and landrace seeds are just bunk. Some are the real deal though. Mine are all the real deal. But many Oaxacan and Morelos strains are not 30% THC Ganja crazy crossed monsters that are so common now. More like 12-15%. The 'lombo strains all finish long and very late. So these may be considered bunk strains to other people. Most seed sales these days are to people that want instant early finishing Blue Window or Purple Dream plants, or Godzilla Glue #57 that grows anywhere, indoor or out. Some over rated Dutch strain that has been worked to death and one hit puts you into a coma, makes you manic, or teleports you to another dimension. South Indian Ganja landraces used to do all three to me.

That's the market right now unfortunately.

Phy. aurea is commonly called Golden or Fishpole bamboo. I grow and sell a lot of it here, it is an intermediate type. It makes a great screen for Cannabis growers (weed must be out of sight of public view in Oregon). I also grow timber bamboos: Phy. nigra, Phy. nigra Henon, Phy. nigra Bory, Phy. nigra Megurochiku, Phy. Vivax, and Phy. Dulcis. They get up to 60 feet tall. They are harder to manage though. I also grow Fargesia pachymorph/clumping bamboos that do not run like the leptomorph bamboo types. I also use bamboo for biochar here, as well as pine branches.

Good AU hash, eh? Pass it over to me for a hit here... eh?

I think that original Skunk would be easy to reproduce. There were many early versions of skunk around in NorCal in the late 1970s. They were not all from Santa Cruz Co. I believe that most were early crosses of Afghani and Mexican/Colombian. I believe that Skunk #1 was an Afghan land race crossed with an early Haze strain, likely when it was only Mexican x Colombian, or the second generation {Mexican X Colombian} x Colombian. Long before it was ever called Haze. I have exemplars of most of the landrace seeds from the bag weed that was going around NorCal from 1976 and on, meaning weed grown from about 1974 and on. I had earlier bag weed and seeds, but I did not start freezing them until 1976. It is easy to get Afghani hash plant seeds here, and even plants. I know of several direct imported strains growing nearby.

As for Cannabis plants being over fed and over saturated with soil ingredients, I am not so sure about that. In grapes you want to reduce vigor to get higher quality and smaller yields. To do that they pune heavy, dry farm, or grow in crappy soil. This is because you want high sugar levels in the grapes. Here in the western US we grow the better grapes along the coast to keep temperature cooler to preserve the acids and tannins. Grown inland where it is a lot hotter and all you get in grapes is sugar and low acid. Meaning raisins and soda pop wine. BTW: did I mention that I planted a Pinot Noir vineyard in Southern Oregon? I am not sure if my ex still has it going or not. Dijon clones 114, 115, 667, and 777. By law you cannot import grapes into Oregon, so I rooted cuttings and sold them around Eugene. It was a one acre test plot to see if it would be commercially viable, and I was going to plant another acres. Sadly the relationship fell apart before that happened. I also grew a shit-load of weed there. about 20 lbs a year...

Anyway, with weed it is different. Early on in Big Sur when people were first growing first and second gen landraces (planting Mexi and 'lombo seeds locally) a lot of the local Big Sur weed had a lot of pineine. Word was that they 'picked up the pine scent' from the Monterey pines growing around there. In actuality, that is not true. MJ makes pineine and all of the terpenes from strands of the terpene molecular unit called isoprene. Mexican sativa strains commonly have a lot of pineine. Or rather, they did. I dunno about now. Cannabis is a master at making terpenes, and I believe that it why it was so successful and domesticated so early by humans. It attracted us by the smells it could make and the ripe seeds for food. Later came the fiber and high from eating or steeping it after it had dried. Smoking weed has not really been around that long. But overall, grown in different climates and in different temperatures and in different soils, and being cured differently, the results will vary. However, in Cannabis, I believe that genetics dominate the results. I have grown one strain of Oaxaca up and down the US west coast, and it is always super minty. I think this is the case because of the fact that the indigenous people in Oaxaca steeped their Marihuana and drank it as a tea to get high, rather than smoke it. Over time they created a super minty land race strain. Many still think that it was the curing and soil, but I have found that not to be the case. Its just super minty stuff, regardless of where it is grown. First gen anyway. I have not tried to breed this one. It is rather mild on the potency scale. Though people seem to love smoking it. Its like menthol cigarettes. Hmmmmm, how about a minty skunk? All I need is an Afgahn breeder.

I'm familiar with grapevine cultivation theoretically... in Italy it's hard to miss that, cause grapes are everywhere. In the north indeed they aim for smaller harvest per bush to raise the quality (Brix number) of produce, cut maturation time and most importantly limit exploitation of soil. In the south they typically harvest more kilos, but they have problems with creating quality wines... however some modern interpretation of Primitivo or Nero d'Avola are fantastic and Taurasi is definitely the king.

I heard a of times of Oaxaca being very minty strain... never tried it though. Seems to be favourite among those who smoked it in the 70s. It's also very desired by the growers as original seeds are impossible to find. I sure would like to run it one day

 

[Conradino23]

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morning conrad how are your girls doing,i thought i would give you an update on the little girls there plugging rite along!

They do look good, so keep it up.

 

[ilikemsticky]

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good morning to ya,will do i would usually up pot them into there new home soon maybe another week?

 

[Waitn4Trudeau]

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Yes there is a business model in there, to a degree. As it stands now, legal weed in Oregon only applies to Oregon. I cannot legally transport or ship any Cannabis products anywhere out of state, including seeds. If I want to sell them in-state, then I have to get an OLCC grow or sales license. I am looking into getting a micro grow license. 2500 sq ft outdoors, 625 sq ft indoors. I would get a 40x60 greenhouse and do an outdoor grow here of boutique strain weed. But I do not know if there is really a market for that here. Mexican landrace strains are not 30% potency Dutch or Emerald Triangle Monsters. Also the Colombians take too long to finish, well into the frost season here. So I would have to go indoors for that. Oregon also allows for a 50/50 (or any percentage) grow canopy, indoors/outdoors. So I could go with a 30x40 greenhouse unlighted outdoor and a 600 sq ft indoor lighted grow. I am waiting to see what Sessions and Trump will do about Cannabis in the near term. Sadly the DEA today announced that it will not even consider lowering cannabis to a Schedule II drug or less. They are sticking firm with Nixon's War On Drugs policy. As of now, all transactions have to be in cash with weed sales in the US, since weed is illegal at the federal level. That is another problem for me. I can back myself financially, but transactions and sales all in cash creates a security issue, and sets me up as a rip off target. Then also there are tax issues, with the feds and the state. And no bank will do any business with a weed store or grower here. So weed is really only quasi legal here.

As for remaining clandestine and shipping worked seeds: I can get a medical card again and grow 10 plants here and 12 clones at a time (meaning males that I keep stunted). So I can produce the seeds. But, shipping is a problem as is doing business internationally. I cannot ship them from here. I looked into relocating my seeds and freezing them in places like Prague, and then using that as a hub for shipping seeds from. But it is tough to run an international really small scale business. Also I do not know anyone in the Czech Republic. I have friends in Slovakia, Italy, Spain, Germany, and England. Canada is cracking down on seed imports and exports now as well. And there are issues of international money transfers, banking, etc. etc. I refuse to deal with Bitcoin. Then there are tax issues. So, I do not see this happening.

Just keep doing what you are doing. Pop a few beans along the way, pollinate without mixing strains, (excepts where you want to.) Make many more seeds to preserve the strains that you have so there is an absolute minimum of genetic loss. For the next few years I hope you just concentrate on building up the volume of the newly produced landrace seed stock.

Someday, (maybe even soon) the right situation will arise. Knowledgeable people will value what you have. People are coming to see this like consuming a fine alcohol. Do you want cheap whiskey or a world-class Belgian Triple or Quad? Bodhi, I believe sold out at $100 for 10 Zipolite oaxacan seeds and 10 Acapulco Gold seeds

Zipolite Oaxacan & Acapulco Gold Standard - Bodhi Nierika - Brands

Myself, I am fascinated with Mexican strains. I am not interested in the 30% strains of today. I want the giggly, happy, energetic, racy, bottled sunshine strains of my youth.

The recent news in Canada is that we will not have enough product to meet the demand of legalization so certain things like importing seeds might become quite relaxed.

"The federal government is already taking steps to tackle the problem, including removing some of the barriers to production expansion. They also announced in May they would be accelerating the process for new companies to become licensed producers, or LP's."

When marijuana is legal in Canada, there may not be enough to go around | CTV News


Currently selling seeds is legal in Canada. In at least 4 stores in my city I can openly buy quite a selection of seeds: Green Crack, Durban Poison, Blueberry, White Widow, Jack Herer, Northern Lights, Train Wreck, Amnesia Haze, etc.

But I can't buy any Oaxaca, Morelos, Guerrero, El Altiplano or Sinaloa. My best bet is Canabiogen: Jarilla de Sinaloa.

So you never know, maybe when full legalization comes to Canada you could work out something.

But like I say, keep growing and posting. Most of us really enjoy what you write.

 

[NorCaliwood]

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Drive by.. I bet it takes me as long to say high as most do typing out a whole page... I never leant to type, you have to earn to spell first...
Hope alls doing well over there.....

Keepem Green

 

[Conradino23]

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But I can't buy any Oaxaca, Morelos, Guerrero, El Altiplano or Sinaloa. My best bet is Canabiogen: Jarilla de Sinaloa.

WTF is El Atiplano?

 

[Waitn4Trudeau]

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WTF is El Atiplano?

The Central Mexican Plateau, also known as the Mexican Altiplano...

 

[Big Sur]

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Yeah it's a blasphemy here, you just don't do it! I enjoy your cooking stories a lot, man

What? No best selling American Chicken Alfredo? With 100% white meat from a poultry factory someplace in Texas? I should come out with a Chicken Alfredo with a picture of the Pope on it or something. Call it Papal Alfredo. Make it with green spinach pasta. Or Conradino's Alfredo al fresco with fast moving vegetables (what they call 'chicken' in Texas). We could put your photo on it, and say it is authentic Italian cuisine. No one would know the difference here.

Yeah there are problems of many kinds as always with businesses that re relatively new and risky. I hear that in legal states it's all about the potency.

Yep. Though some people here want the better strains, like Durban Poison and GDP. And medical is hanging in here, because if Trump/Sessions goes after rec weed, the rec stores can flip to being medical overnight in the new bill that they passed. Medical weed is all but DOA here now though. Its all rec. Sad, as that is/was the real market for unusual strains. And the best benefit of a wide range of weed strains is for medical applications. Contrary to what the DEA claims of course. This doublespeak government is so full of crap.

Another big issue in Oregon for growing landrace and heirloom strains like mine is that as of the end of this year, you can only use existing bar coded inventory for growing. So they are going to put a choke hold on genetics here, not unlike grape cultivars. It going to be really boring at the rec weed stores. Same old, same old. As a non-commercial rec/medical grower however, I can grow whatever strain that I want from plants and seeds sourced from wherever. No bar coding inventory for that needed. Yet.

The best country to run seed business ATM is Spain, where you can operate legally as cannabis club and grow quite a lot of plants providing you have certain number of registered members. Selling seeds in Spain is even easier, but then obviously you'd have to get into some kind of arrangement if you want to do your breeding in Oregon. It's worth trying something anyway.

Interesting. I have friends in Spain. I happen to speak Spanish as well. Well, Mexican-Spanish anyway. I am not unwilling to relocate, and I have been thinking seriously of emigrating to Panama lately. Things here in the states are just really getting weird. Northern Spain is similar in climate to Oregon.

I'm familiar with grapevine cultivation theoretically... in Italy it's hard to miss that, cause grapes are everywhere. In the north indeed they aim for smaller harvest per bush to raise the quality (Brix number) of produce, cut maturation time and most importantly limit exploitation of soil. In the south they typically harvest more kilos, but they have problems with creating quality wines... however some modern interpretation of Primitivo or Nero d'Avola are fantastic and Taurasi is definitely the king.

Ah yes, Primativo. That was back-sourced from a zinfandel strain from California, actually. I used to be in a wine organization called ZAP. Zinfandel Associate Producers. Its a big wine group in California. We spent years looking at the various strains of zinfandel and Primativo around the world, and we found through genetic research that all the Italian Primativo strains were all derived from zinfandel from California. So we looked further, and finally found an original source of California zinfandel. It is from a strain being grown on a small island in northern Croatia in the Adriatic. Now, how it got there or when is anyone's guess. But it predates the gold rush days in California in the mid 1800s. From that research I know that it is possible to back trace Cannabis strains around the world. They also traced the roots of chardonnay (white Burgundy) in France, and it is parented by a lowly weedy grape that grows all over France. The French do not want to believe it, really, nor the Italians that Primativo is from California. But genetics are genetics. I drink a lot of zin, cab, and pinot. I have long since sucked down my good Chiantes (called sangiovese here).

 

[NorCaliwood]

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Now that something I could never drink. Wine. Could never handle its taste. Oh, I did drink afew gallons of some store brand crap as a youngster. Got drunk as hell and sick as fuck. Guess I was like 14. I even use to work at a winery down by the Bay Area Central Cali. In the tasting room no less.. But then I was raised with a beer in my hand. Now give me a good bottle of Single Barrel Jack Daniels and I'm quite happy. But that's really about the only drink I ever got a taste for. That talk about wine just reminded me bout them days.
Keepem Green

 

[Big Sur]

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Oy, well my brother was a sommelier. AKA the wine steward at the Hotel Del Coronado in Sandy Eggo. He got me hooked on good cheap Bordeaux back in the 1970s when it was good and cheap. Now that stuff is so expensive its is ridiculous. Like good California Cabernet which also used to be cheap in the 1980s. Sigh. During the high tech bubble daze in the Silicon Valley, I was hauling in a large income, and making obscene bonuses. I had a master bedroom closet full of top grade 90 point+ wines. I belonged to several wine groups, and once a week we had blind tastings. I did wine tours on weekends. I knew some top tier winery owners. I met my ex in that group. She was a VP at Adobe Systems. Actually I met my previous 3 GFs there as well. Times were good. The wine flowed.

Later in Southern Oregon I planted a one acre pinot vineyard as a test plot on my ex's sheep ranch with plans to expand to 10 acres. Unlike the prospects of getting a weed grow license here, which has a lot of up front costs, and buyers do not want to talk to you unless you have buds in hand ready to sell today. I did the research and pinot was the varietal to plant there with that climate, and it was in demand. I had 2 wineries ready to buy my grapes (even the 1-2 tons from the test plot) before I planted one single rooted grapevine. Start-up costs were really low. I rooted 500 cuttings from a neighbor's vineyard. It only cost us t-posts, a gripple wire system, a deer fence and drip irrigation. Actually the neighbors even gave us the drip irrigation poly pipe when they switched to dry farming their pinot. I hooked it up to a gravity feed spring box. No water bill, not even electricity to run a well. No licenses were required to grow and sell grapes. Nor was any alarm system, no OLCC handling card, no FBI background checks, no funding reviews, no site use impact reports, no water rights statements, no armed security response required (except a deer fence), no camera surveillance systems, no locks, no county plans, no transport vehicle declaration, no business license, no banking or financial statements, no ownership declaration, no site inspections, no plans to submit for approval, no county permits required, no bar code tracking and inventory system, no labels to be approved, no packaging to be approved, no secure storage area required, no power grid impact report required, no neighbors sharing the easement approvals, no testing for pesticides or potency was required (we tested for brix and the winery came out and tested the sugar content), and none of the other BS that is required here for a MJ grow license was required to plant and grow grapes.

In that regard, I would rather be growing grapes again and drinking wine on the patio overlooking the vineyard. Once planted, grapes are perennial. I loved going out to prune the vines and play in the vineyard. My cat would follow me around out there. He still lives with me now. I also grew a lot of weed there, and no one there cared. It was better then and there than it is now with all this legal BS and crap. I think over time growers will be squeezed by oversupply here and weed prices in state will drop. Actually, Oregon already has the cheapest weed prices in the US. Less than $200 an oz on average. I buy grams for $5, taxed. Too bad it is too cold to grow grapes on my property here. Almost, but not quite vineyard territory. I am going to finish my preliminary micro grow license planning with designs and early permit reviews though. Then when I sell this place, it will be weed grower ready. That should tack on a premium value to this place. County approved for growing, state approved zoning, water rights OK, highway is close, layout is already there, cleared and flat parcel for growing on, 3-phase power is available on the pole, a good well, good soil, south facing slope, a livable house on the property, yadda yadda. Let someone else make a fortune digging the gold. I will supply them the shovels.

 

[Conradino23]

Re: Conradino23's Another Outdoor Grow With High Brix Soil - Air-Pots & SoCal Seed St

Now that something I could never drink. Wine. Could never handle its taste. Oh, I did drink afew gallons of some store brand crap as a youngster. Got drunk as hell and sick as fuck. Guess I was like 14. I even use to work at a winery down by the Bay Area Central Cali. In the tasting room no less.. But then I was raised with a beer in my hand. Now give me a good bottle of Single Barrel Jack Daniels and I'm quite happy. But that's really about the only drink I ever got a taste for. That talk about wine just reminded me bout them days.
Keepem Green

Generally I drink more wine than beer, but in the summer some hops is nice to refresh yourself with... now whisky is another thing, a liquor of choice for me. I like to empty 2 or 3 bottles of good Scotch during cold winter months

 

[Radogast]

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Let someone else make a fortune digging the gold. I will supply them the shovels.

Spoken like a man who knows their California Gold Rush history

 

[NorCaliwood]

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But then I've been bite by the gold bug.. More than once I might add...... Sooooo I'll be looking for gold,,, is all... JK kind of but true. I always enjoyed looking for gold.......... But was a intresting read. Seeing I'm in Oregon myself,,, Portland,, but still Oregon...
Keepem Green

 

[Conradino23]

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Ok let's go back to growing for a lil' bit. I visited The New Sunny Spot today where things are going very well and gals are exploding. The weather's been perfect, really hot but with low RH of 20-30% due to African anticyclone. Rains are going their way too, there's a rainstorm once in 7-10 days, which gives them just enough water to grow comfortably. It's just what they need in veg. It seems this weather trend will keep in August, which may give me one of the best seasons so far... and flowering is around the corner.

Row of UD, I got a lot of OG phenos this season. Well it's really good smoke, layman's sativa

Chem pheno, the only one I got.

Stay tuned for the rest

 

[Gauge Steel]

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That 9th pic of that UD, is going to be a Monster Female thought from here.
Those sunlit pics on that Chemo are awesome. Nice job.

Gauge