Conradino23's Another Outdoor Grow With High Brix Soil - Air-Pots & SoCal Seed Stock

[ilikemsticky]

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morning conrad here are the girls they are happy now looking a lot better i have a skunk front right,super hash front left,and two gorilla glue in back btw the two gorillas are 1 week younger than the sk,sh,also i dont no if your interested in growing autos but i grew a fast buds green crack that ended up being some decent smoke a light citrus flavor and a real nice up high good morning smoke fyi here's some pics!



have a good one!

 

[ilikemsticky]

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sorry thats the jock i grew this is the crack

 

[Conradino23]

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These buds are quite nice

 

[Conradino23]

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Here are few pics from my Emergency Spot, which is on the northern slope, so I didn't put a lot of stock in it and I didn't fertilise at all. This patch was basically cleared from blackberry bushes and tree branches hanging over head, that's it. I come here like once in 4-5 weeks just to check how they're doing and I have to say they get through. There's much more insect and weed pressure here (you can see it clearly), so I had to intervene once to help them stay alive, but otherwise they're getting by on their own. If there's some bud at the end, this is gonna be a bonus and a good sign for the next season, when I may treat it more seriously.


Some group shots, it's a really small space as you can see.

3 x Manipuri at different stages of growth.

Different phenos of UD, there are 2 or 3 F3s here, but I don't remember which ones they are, cause I've planted a mix here.

 

[ilikemsticky]

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conrad thats way cool quite a little assortment you have there aside from the bug eating they look like there doing pretty darn good on there own!

 

[Conradino23]

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Yeah all things considered it's not too bad.

 

[Tead]

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I've been looking at a lot of UDs and staring at my own quite a bit.
I feel one of the indicators of the 'Boom' pheno might be an especially thick main stalk. I've been wanting to boost my recognition of the phenos so I'm pondering them all lately. Still gotta go back and dig thru that comparison post you did.

 

[Tead]

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Ok, now I feel like I really created a guide to UD here

Indeed. I'll be stealing it.

After reading your words and looking at your photos of boom, chem, and dog phenos, I feel like we may have misidentified my UD1 pheno. I think it's chem not boom. I base this on the pronounced spike, stem and branch form, and the smell. Further, I'm pretty sure my UD3 line falls into the dog category.

 

[Conradino23]

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Indeed. I'll be stealing it.

After reading your words and looking at your photos of boom, chem, and dog phenos, I feel like we may have misidentified my UD1 pheno. I think it's chem not boom. I base this on the pronounced spike, stem and branch form, and the smell. Further, I'm pretty sure my UD3 line falls into the dog category.

There are ways... first is the structure and shape of the colas, but indoor it gets much more uniform due to controlled environment and lack of UVB spectrum. Another and obvious one to that is the effect. Boom provides very strong and soaring type of experience with body high coming very late into the game while Chem is 50/50 from the start and is lighter in THC giving way to strong body stone that after an hour or so becomes almost pure relaxation, it's less devastating, but more pleasant.

There's another way, which I ponder. If you look at the leaflets, especially of big fan leaves, Boom has these very serrated ones that easily stand out, while Chem has the smooth ones almost sticking to one another

 

[Conradino23]

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Hmm I've been thinking about my Colombian... you know it's the longest flowering sativa I've grown so far, so I just checked in the journal (really good thing, comes in handy!) when I flipped and it was 04/11, which means she's been on 11/13 for more than 13 weeks. The thing is she took 5 weeks or so to REALLY start flowering (to show first pistils), so technically she's been putting on flowers for 8 weeks. I'm sometimes confused by flowering times claimed online, cause mostly indoor growers use them and when they flip that's when they start the countdown. Outdoor the only way to say that plant is flowering is to show the flower forming, it really is few days before a female shows first pistils if you watch carefully, but first pistil is still kind of a SYMBOLIC moment of transition. Anyway my sun dep method usually gives me the edge allowing to cut flowering time by around 30%, which would put me at roughly 15 week harvest from the flip with this one and that really makes sense as now I see the first signs of fading and TINY trichomes on the calyxes that change colour to light orange (not really amber)... she kind of stops for 3-4 days and then she starts to pump the pistils again, but I think I'm not gonna go forward for more than a week. I'm just waiting for ultimate terpene shift, so I know I'm at the right point. For now it's still kind of sweet cinnamon cake, but with hints of sandalwood incense and floral notes growing by the day, which I hope will settle into a nice bouquet indicating full maturity

That was the flip day:

And that's now:

 

[Gauge Steel]

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My favorite looking MJ Plant.

Thanks!

Gauge

 

[Big Sur]

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Yes, I mentioned that Scott's had these contracts with Monsanto in my post. But these were contracts made by Scott's BEFORE they merged with Miracle Grow. So I do not see how MG is to blame here. As for global corporations, they are fed by human greed and by human need. We as a species are doomed to our own rampant success as a species since the end of the last ice age, at the peril of all other species on this planet. There is no escaping our doom from GW, mass extinction, nuclear warheads, overpopulation, and resource depletion. We are but bacteria in a Petri dish.

For what it is worth, Scott's Miracle-Gro has EXCLUSIVE rights to sell Roundup in US and europe and are a long time partner with Monsanto due to complementary transgenic GMO technology.

They own Smith and Hawkins, Osmocote, General Hydroponics, and Gavita (among others.)

As a corporation, they have a legal obligation to behave as a sociopathic human would, striving to make money for their shareholders. Performing their businesss with apahetic disregard to human and animal life, but sensitive to being caught dealing death, they are, in my opinion, no better or worse than hundreds of other publicly held corporations. If they have negatively or positively impacted lives, it is a mere byproduct of the insatiable desire to make more and more profit each year.

 

[Conradino23]

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Hey Gauge Steel if you're posting here for the first time then it's a welcome party! Feel free to do anything you feel like doing

But if we know each other and I forgot then forgive me

 

[Big Sur]

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Back from a 4th of July vacation .... catching up on this thread. Amazing photos Conrad.

Some points about your comments about SuperSoil. Amusing that SMG bought it up, but I got started on growing orchids from one of Rod McClellan's top orchid growers in South San Francisco. He left McClellans and started his own orchid company in Monterey County. He taught me how to grow and propagate orchids and how to make my own bark mediums for growing terrestrial orchids, which I grew thousands (cymbidium orchids) in the 1980s and 1990s in central and southern California. Like with weed, I wound up with heirloom strains that were on the verge of extinction. I propagated the crap out of them and sold them as a side income. At any rate, Rod McClellan was the one that came up with SuperSoil. Originally it was designed for orchids, but we found it to be way too dense for orchids, even terrestrial orchids. So we developed out own soil media from a variety of sources. He focused on walnut shells, and I based my media on fine fir bark. McClellan went on to sell bagged SuperSoil for all plants, and not just orchids.

From there I went on to make my own soils for all my other potted plants, and later all my other nursery stock. I have had several orchid nurseries in California, and in Oregon I have had several bamboo nurseries. In Southern Oregon I also had a native plant and vineyard nursery with select Dijon grape clones, as well as 50 types of berries and 75 types of heirloom garlics. At this point I am selling off the last of my bamboo collection, as I am getting older and I am less interested in dealing with retail sales, mites, voles, and wrestling with timber bamboos. I am also looking at making this place into a licensed commercial micro grow Cannabis farm. The issues are complicated, but they have eased up on some of the requirements lately. Again, I would specialize in heirlooms. A microgrow I canopy size is 2500 sq ft. The license fee for that is a grand a year, but of course it would cost far more for a large greenhouse, fans, fencing, security, video surveillance, cameras, a safe (its still a cash-only business here), and long list of other requirements. Oh, and large pots and soil, and lights for my cloning room. I have good silty loam top soil here to start with. Finding clones is another issue too. I have had a hard time finding the ones that I would want to grow.

 

[Big Sur]

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As for a comment made earlier about Roundup causing CCD (colony collapse disorder) in bees, I find that unlikely. My bee hives suffered from CCD about 12 years ago in Southern Oregon and I have not kept bees since. That was a remote location 40 miles from the nearest commercial agriculture. My research then and now indicates that CCD is caused mainly by DWV (deformed wing virus) that is being spread by the Varroa mite. Like weed, bees also suffer from destructive mites. The US is WAY behind Israel and Europe on this, and if you want to learn about CCD, look there for the latest answers. Coincidentally, Israel is also the best place to look for the latest research on medical marijuana.

Also here at my place this year, honey bees are all but non-existent. I have counted all of 5 lone honey bees foraging here this year. They all looked to be one of the darker orange Croatian breeds. Previously I have seen thousands of honey bees on my flowering plants and trees any given day here. Its scary. But I do not blame Monsanto or Roundup for that. I still have a large number of different types of wasps here, as well as bumble bees, carpenter bees, and other types of bees. In an odd twist, honey bees are an introduced species by humans, and not native to North America. So we are the architects of our own self-destruction in this case, as it were.

 

[Conradino23]

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Back from a 4th of July vacation .... catching up on this thread. Amazing photos Conrad.

Some points about your comments about SuperSoil. Amusing that SMG bought it up, but I got started on growing orchids from one of Rod McClellan's top orchid growers in South San Francisco. He left McClellans and started his own orchid company in Monterey County. He taught me how to grow and propagate orchids and how to make my own bark mediums for growing terrestrial orchids, which I grew thousands (cymbidium orchids) in the 1980s and 1990s in central and southern California. Like with weed, I wound up with heirloom strains that were on the verge of extinction. I propagated the crap out of them and sold them as a side income. At any rate, Rod McClellan was the one that came up with SuperSoil. Originally it was designed for orchids, but we found it to be way too dense for orchids, even terrestrial orchids. So we developed out own soil media from a variety of sources. He focused on walnut shells, and I based my media on fine fir bark. McClellan went on to sell bagged SuperSoil for all plants, and not just orchids.

From there I went on to make my own soils for all my other potted plants, and later all my other nursery stock. I have had several orchid nurseries in California, and in Oregon I have had several bamboo nurseries. In Southern Oregon I also had a native plant and vineyard nursery with select Dijon grape clones, as well as 50 types of berries and 75 types of heirloom garlics. At this point I am selling off the last of my bamboo collection, as I am getting older and I am less interested in dealing with retail sales, mites, voles, and wrestling with timber bamboos. I am also looking at making this place into a licensed commercial micro grow Cannabis farm. The issues are complicated, but they have eased up on some of the requirements lately. Again, I would specialize in heirlooms. A microgrow I canopy size is 2500 sq ft. The license fee for that is a grand a year, but of course it would cost far more for a large greenhouse, fans, fencing, security, video surveillance, cameras, a safe (its still a cash-only business here), and long list of other requirements. Oh, and large pots and soil, and lights for my cloning room. I have good silty loam top soil here to start with. Finding clones is another issue too. I have had a hard time finding the ones that I would want to grow.

Yeah bamboo is big here too it grows wild. I saw plants around that reached 15-18' easily. I just checked and the common variety here is phyllostachys aurea, which grows even on our land. It's used to support tomatoes and sometimes string beans. It's a strong and nice-looking plant too and I've been using it for biochar frequently. I actually have to go and cut them soon cause our tomato plot is about to burst

As far as Super Soil is concerned it's not really good for weed if you're after genuine quality. But it's possible to grow crazy big plants with that kind of soil with reasonable smelling/tasting buds if you're rolling on the low end of it. But if you go like 3 kinds of guano, 5 different types of volcanic or mined rock powder, every blood and bone meal there is, then this plant will lose a lot of its potential both in smell/taste and high department.

Cannabis has been growing in relatively poor soils for ages before it was brought around...nobody even knows when we started separating drug from textile cultivars and creating optimal confitions. All genotypes and chemotypes might've been growing together sharing similar environment.

I imagine that when they started spreading and were domesticated nitrogen boosted growth was quickly noted while the seeds were sprouting in manure, food scraps and bonefire ashes or wherever in fertile lands they got carried on by the traders. This cannot be lost on the grower.

Clarke actually touches the subject here:

"This situation, however, is changing. Work by Vavilov (1987) has shed light on how Cannabis may have been originally domesticated. It is well known that Cannabis requires soil with a high nutrient content, either artificially fertilized or naturally occurring. By working with wild hemp growing in Mongolia, Vavilov imitated the process of selection and domestication of hemp as it may well have occurred 6500 years ago.

Vavilov postulated four stages in the domestication of Cannabis: (1) existence of plants entirely in their wild state, (2) initial colonization of the wild plant on nutrient-rich dump heaps, (3) utilization of the weed by local inhabitants, and (4) intentional cultivation (Vavilov 1992). Unlike oats and rye, which required an intentional effort to locate and utilize, hemp was very likely only circumstantially domesticated. Domestication probably occurred independently in several centers in northeast Asia around six millennia ago (Vavilov 1987, Schultes 1970, Li 1973 and 1974)."

Physical evidence for the antiquity of Cannabis sativa L.

Good text I recommend it

One thing's changed, now we know for sure it was domesticated at least 12 thousand years ago, which means it's one of the oldest crops humanity has kept on. Also landraces usually don't need high nutrient levels, moderate at best. Afghani grows in harsh and arid climate in very depleted mountain soil. Hmm I even found an official soil analysis. Looks pretty much like High Brix This is actually good guide for indica growing brothers

https://afghanag.ucdavis.edu/natural-resource-management/soil-topics

Malawi Gold gets nothing but wood ash and grows in cleared jungle plots. Neapalese strains grow high in the mountains where only the strongest plants survive. They often get quite deficient. We spoiled this plant a lot down the road to be honest.

Yeah obviously she'll take the nutes! Well who wouldn't eat all these cookies and ice cream? But we'll pay for it by losing all distinctive features of the produce. There's a lot to be researched here... maybe with your stock you should get a landrace nursery running... there's not a lot of competition around.

People are already coming back to the roots, cause it's inevitable. Everything starts to smell and look and smoke the same, so golden era treats might end up on the top once again even in crosses and hybrids. Imagine recreating Skunk #1 from landrace stock or developing an alternatives for different climates/clients/markets

Hmm this AU hash got me really stoned

 

[Tomster420]

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A lot of people are already doing this kind of thing. Working with old school genetics and forgetting about the hype strains of today. MNS would be a great if not the best source for original genetics Plus old school hippies who are willing to share their seeds but they are far and few in between, rare to find someone who is open and sharing about what they have. Just have to be lucky in who you know and what you can find out

 

[NorCaliwood]

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Take me a month to read all that... All good Con... Think I'll have another drink..


Keepem Green

 

[Conradino23]

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A lot of people are already doing this kind of thing. Working with old school genetics and forgetting about the hype strains of today. MNS would be a great if not the best source for original genetics Plus old school hippies who are willing to share their seeds but they are far and few in between, rare to find someone who is open and sharing about what they have. Just have to be lucky in who you know and what you can find out

MNS is great, but they don't sell landrace lines, only crosses. What I meant is that with that kind of stock that BigSur has he could offer genuine true breeding lines to general public and his favourite F1 or F2 crosses. I think there's business model somewhere here

Take me a month to read all that... All good Con... Think I'll have another drink..
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Keepem Green

Yeah after I woke up and checked the journal I was surprised myself considering I was laying down stoned on the sofa clacking on the tablet

 

[Tomster420]

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MNS is great, but they don't sell landrace lines, only crosses. What I meant is that with that kind of stock that BigSur has he could offer genuine true breeding lines to general public and his favourite F1 or F2 crosses. I think there's business model somewhere here

That is true, great place for great genetics I've been talking about such a thing with other members of these forums but I'm not sure if BigSur would be interested in such a thing. In his signature it says "Sorry...my seeds are not for sale" he may or may not trade but I can't speak for him. I know personally that I have some old seeds that range from the 70's to the 90's (acquired from an old school smoker). Just like me he is from land down under so it would be genetics from what ever came here around that time and in his area of residence. I am told that the older seeds (70-late 80's) are from buds of thai stick (both green and brown variety) and the seeds from the 90's are all skunk. I also have another strain from the 90's (unknown) that was gifted to me by a friend. Finding landraces/heirloom genetics most of the time isn't as easy as clicking a button on a website. Personal connections are a major factor in finding true genetic origins