Conradino23 Keeps On Keeping On Outdoor & Indoor Using LOS/High Brix Methods

conradino23 said:
Canadian companies and probably some American ones too are concerned with one thing only: lowering the costs of production. This is a blind alley though and it won’t last IMO.
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I 420% agree. Someone is gonna light the commercial market on fire with organically grown soil offerings to the public.

I'm hoping they will market it as "Craft Grown" organic soil.

Shit and to think a few years ago my worries were; we won't see recreational cannabis in my lifetime. Canadians are leading the way! Woohoo

On my soil thing:
I like to focus on providing quality soil with home made VC as the most important ingredient. I add nutrients into my compost bins and let the microbes and worms have at it and at the end, in the early spring, all those nutrients are in a soluble form waiting for roots to have at it.

Sulfur in the farming world is how we lower PH, least how I understand and use it (not in containers). It's an element so it catches on in soil pretty quickly but is also can wash away and leach out into the clay subsoil (good).

In a pot of soil it could be a barn burner on the roots and why I would add any S heavy nutrient material to my VC bins. For my soil mix I add in a cup of Gypsum powder /cu.ft. Gypsum has a decent amount of slow release Sulfur. lots of other sources as well like EWC/worm castings. It's best in a form supplied by the soil microbes is my understanding.

There's a thing in soil called EC and - this is where the soil growers and Hydro growers have a common ground.


Sulfur even tho its an element, it needs to bond with other elements for the roots of plants to be able to absorb it into the plant as a nutrient.

This combo is Sulfate. Which is a salt.

I use worms and microbes to make it.

It can be purchased in that form along with other essential nutrients mixed together.

Plants will gladly uptake either or both together.



Here's a good read on Sulfur:

library:articles:s_basics - Spectrum Analytic

www.spectrumanalytic.com
 
It looks like a good read, so I'll save it for the AM, but if it doesn't answer a question about sulfur and microbes, I'll be back to ask here.
 
bobrown14 said:
I 420% agree. Someone is gonna light the commercial market on fire with organically grown soil offerings to the public.

I'm hoping they will market it as "Craft Grown" organic soil.

Shit and to think a few years ago my worries were; we won't see recreational cannabis in my lifetime. Canadians are leading the way! Woohoo

On my soil thing:
I like to focus on providing quality soil with home made VC as the most important ingredient. I add nutrients into my compost bins and let the microbes and worms have at it and at the end, in the early spring, all those nutrients are in a soluble form waiting for roots to have at it.

Sulfur in the farming world is how we lower PH, least how I understand and use it (not in containers). It's an element so it catches on in soil pretty quickly but is also can wash away and leach out into the clay subsoil (good).

In a pot of soil it could be a barn burner on the roots and why I would add any S heavy nutrient material to my VC bins. For my soil mix I add in a cup of Gypsum powder /cu.ft. Gypsum has a decent amount of slow release Sulfur. lots of other sources as well like EWC/worm castings. It's best in a form supplied by the soil microbes is my understanding.

There's a thing in soil called EC and - this is where the soil growers and Hydro growers have a common ground.


Sulfur even tho its an element, it needs to bond with other elements for the roots of plants to be able to absorb it into the plant as a nutrient.

This combo is Sulfate. Which is a salt.

I use worms and microbes to make it.

It can be purchased in that form along with other essential nutrients mixed together.

Plants will gladly uptake either or both together.



Here's a good read on Sulfur:

library:articles:s_basics - Spectrum Analytic

www.spectrumanalytic.com
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For sure they will. There’s a huge demand for anything organic on both sides of the pond and if it were legal here that’d be very easy to convince smokers they should go for organic bud and start educating on the differences and subtleties.

I understand that one of the problems stateside is that shops and dispensaries don’t want to pay premium price for a higher quality produce, so organic growers have nowhere to go basically.

But I’m sure it’s just a matter of time and diversification will come eventually with market growth. First people need to get over the fact that it’s legal and when the first rush is over their apetites will grow with smoking, especially that weed is not going anywhere.

But as with every commodity there will always be mass market and niches, so all sorts of business models can fit into that.

What I think is gonna happen we’ll see these big molochs fighting each other, buying out everything they can and trying to corner the global market. But cause their model cannot deliver quality, they’re gonna have a very hard time delivering connoiseur produce and this will become an opportunity for companies who’ll focus on the best cannabis that money can buy.

You know in Italy people will pay up to €25 per gram of excellent stuff and 18-20 is a normal price for anything above average. In Holland medical bud imported from US fetches up to €50 per gram currently, so upscale market is already here.
 
If I could move at higher prices, I'd consider organics, but to spend more for a grow media, and return less yield, it's just not practical. The best I can hope for is to not push the limits with ferts and aim for a much milder solution and try my best to produce organic-like results.
 
Yeah hydro is hard to beat as far as yield is concerned unless you set up a greenhouse :)
 
Skybound said:
WOW bob, thanks! I'll look into this more deeply. I'd like to do some experimenting with soil to see the difference between hydro and soil. I know a lot about hydro and definitely am enjoying the result, but I'd also like to at least smoke a soil harvest to compare and maybe convert if doing so is worth my while.

For shitz and giggles, have any of you soil growers vegged for 10-12 weeks before? If yes, what size plant does that produce? I'm of the belief that I'm getting pounders b/c I veg for so long and wondered if any soil growers were able to achieve the same.

Also, I notice Conrad using airpots and wondered if you use them in bloom too? If yes, are you able to water more frequently? I also suspect this is one of the strengths of hydro, by flooding the media more frequently allows for more uptake. I know soil runs the risk of drowning the roots, but IMO, only if the root zone is lacking in O2, hence the question about airpots.
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I have increased my veg times quite a bit and I my yields have gone way up. I am getting ready to harvest two plants that should give me a pound each. But if you are looking for yield....focus on more roots.....the yield will follow.
 
More light and longer veg, these are two most important tools to push your plants into higher yield territory IMO.
 
conradino23 said:
You know in Italy people will pay up to €25 per gram of excellent stuff and 18-20 is a normal price for anything above average. In Holland medical bud imported from US fetches up to €50 per gram currently, so upscale market is already here.
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Shit I'm in the wrong place. I need to take a trip to Holland and make friends.

Anything in the 50/gm range is gonna attract some attention. That's big money.

I could retire and grow weed even for 1/10 that price. lol

Us connoisseur/craft growers need to organize.

420 Union



Skybound said:
If I could move at higher prices, I'd consider organics, but to spend more for a grow media, and return less yield, it's just not practical.
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Organic soil here - I paid for water and electric the last 15 flower runs. Oh and seeds. I just bought a new bottle of Spinosad ($16) that will last me another year.

I buy mycos but usually by the # so it lasts me a year or more. Last time I did a soil mix of mostly all ingredients on hand, I ended up using the mix (1 cubic yard) in our outdoor gardens.

My 2 main amendments are:

Kelp Meal - dirt cheap - most expensive was $2/lb on a-zon.
EWC - can get that locally free - its literally everywhere.

Compost - we make our own (this is the important input)
Malted Barley - I grind it - can get 2 row organic for $3/lb


You get the idea. Organic inputs are cheap. The trick is putting them together and getting a good soil mix. So only way to do that is a $10 soil test.
 
JustMeds said:
My analogy:

Because I just ate a super food and got new sneakers don't make me ready for a marathon.
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Yes plant needs to have her roots deep and have a lot of budsites pointed up. That’s when you flower. Outdoor it’s less of an issue, but indoor people are into quick turnover for some reason and the plant will never show her potential this way.

bobrown14 said:
Shit I'm in the wrong place. I need to take a trip to Holland and make friends.

Anything in the 50/gm range is gonna attract some attention. That's big money.

I could retire and grow weed even for 1/10 that price. lol

Us connoisseur/craft growers need to organize.

420 Union

Organic soil here - I paid for water and electric the last 15 flower runs. Oh and seeds. I just bought a new bottle of Spinosad ($16) that will last me another year.

I buy mycos but usually by the # so it lasts me a year or more. Last time I did a soil mix of mostly all ingredients on hand, I ended up using the mix (1 cubic yard) in our outdoor gardens.

My 2 main amendments are:

Kelp Meal - dirt cheap - most expensive was $2/lb on a-zon.
EWC - can get that locally free - its literally everywhere.

Compost - we make our own (this is the important input)
Malted Barley - I grind it - can get 2 row organic for $3/lb


You get the idea. Organic inputs are cheap. The trick is putting them together and getting a good soil mix. So only way to do that is a $10 soil test.
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There’s hige demand for medical bud from overseas between London and Amsterdam and as long as you have the original packaging you’re gonna sell it.

It’s really a ricochet of legalisation on your side of the pond. People’s expectations in EU have been growing for these last couple of years... IG and FB are partly responsible to that, but affluent city market is also fed up with run of the mill shit.

If only they gave up monopoly on medical here things could start looking up. But still we’re starting a company that’ll serve the CBD market and that one’s expanding quickly too.

As far as soil test is concerned it’s a huge help. I kinda educated myself on reading the indicators, but if you can do it you only hit the strategic points and you have a perfect soil, that won’t give you the usual headaches.

Grapes are grown that way and weed must follow, cause winemaking is the best model to follow IMO... at least in Italy.
 
conradino23 said:
Grapes are grown that way and weed must follow, cause winemaking is the best model to follow IMO... at least in Italy.
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every now and then when I go wine tasting one of the ventners I cant spell it but I will try and pick there brain on how they grow there grapes and I usually get a chuckle out of them they are tight lipped about what they do but uve heard they get brix readings in the high 30s and low 40s idk if weed can go that high but we could try!
 
Growing grapes is not difficult, but making wine is another story. I doubt we can get Brix that high with weed. I got them once in the low 20s.
 
Good wine goes well with good weed... or hash :) Hmm red goes well with hash. Shantibaba said a long time ago that sativa was like champagne and indica like heavy red. There’s something to that. Also bud always goes well with good Scotch for me:passitleft:
 
conradino23 said:
Good wine goes well with good weed... or hash :) Hmm red goes well with hash. Shantibaba said a long time ago that sativa was like champagne and indica like heavy red. There’s something to that. Also bud always goes well with good Scotch for me:passitleft:
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hmm im sitting here rite now with a glass of barbera and a pipe load of dosi d with dry sift on top mmmm!:blunt:
 
I like this Dosi, it’s not quite as good as the OG I had from lem, but it’s pretty good and very potent. Taste is definitely on the upper scale and quite impressive especially in the vape. I might try another OG in a bit to check if I can find something even better.
 
conradino23 said:
I like this Dosi, it’s not quite as good as the OG I had from lem, but it’s pretty good and very potent. Taste is definitely on the upper scale and quite impressive especially in the vape. I might try another OG in a bit to check if I can find something even better.
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ill be watching that im starting to think og might be the strain I like the most I love this potent smoke and your rite I love the flavor I deffinately need to grow some more of it along with some sssdh and some Durban poison by golly I think I just decided what to grow this fall!
 
A lot of growers really like Durban. If you can find the seeds give it a try. Maybe I’ll check it myself one day.
 
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