Conradino23 Keeps On Keeping On Outdoor & Indoor Using LOS/High Brix Methods

OGK... well I can’t blame you :)

The problem of this strain is a set of conditions that have to met if you want more than a middling bud and yield is problematic indeed at the very least.

I’ve grown dozens of strains in my life and I can say I found a few that tick all my boxes, but I like novelty, so I keep popping new stuff, although it’s often disappointing and I keep going back to the strains that I know work for me. But with all the gifted beans that come my way I have to find the time for these too and sometimes I’m really glad!
 
This is a longtime standard for the food industry, that'll soon become a standard for cannabis industry too... that is if they switch from hydro :laugh:

So so true. Looking to Canada most all the companies growing professionally are using hydro. There are a few companies growing organic soil.

I wood think a front end loader + a few shovels is cheaper than a bunch of special plumbing that needs constant up-keep, maintenance and cleaning. long term. Not even counting the chemical fertilizers required. Somebody smart is going to have a "TaDa" moment then we see organically grown plants thanks to Joe Smartweed for that TaDa moment. lol

shareholders gonna be like where's the profit.... ooopsie but we have this fancy equipment so it should grow the best plants. Invest now before its too late. lol.

It's the same here in the US. Sadly the results and the "recommendation" is to use chemical fertilizer to solve this or that. At least here in my state. No-till farming is becoming a thing for corn farmers that are growing feed for the animals. Which I don't really understand why they feed rudiment animals corn. That can't be healthy?? I gotta ask, if the steer aint healthy, humans eat the unhealthy steer. Does that make healthy or unhealthy humans? Food for thought.

The meat guys tell me corn fed makes better tasting beef without the gamey taste. I'm like I prefer the gamey taste. I get that look like "you must be high" :passitleft:
You bet.
 
For shitz and giggles, have any of you soil growers vegged for 10-12 weeks before? If yes, what size plant does that produce? I'm of the belief that I'm getting pounders b/c I veg for so long and wondered if any soil growers were able to achieve the same.

I assume you mean in soil without any inputs??

I regularly VEG for at least 12 weeks in a #3 pot with used soil. I prefer 16 weeks for bigger yield.

Lots of times I may have say 5 plants of a strain. Let the run with another 5 of same strain from seed. So 10 plants usually only have maybe 5 spots for flower. Then I'll select for size/vigor going into flower. So 5 to flower and the other 5 wait there turn for next spot could take 60 days. So 90 days in VEG then into flower. I have 2 plants running now like that. I've ran Sativa after a 90 day VEG. lol

My take is that lots of folks get into growing and they are maticulous and pay atention to detail and so-forth start with Hydro and get great result. Thats good.

Then there's folks like me that wood rather dig up the yard and grow plants of all sorts and like working with soil and worms. Where our measurement instead of a teaspoon, it's a shovel full.

2 paths - we both get to the goal line. WIN WIN.

Only growers will notice the difference in taste. I've found that flowers grown with fertilizer smell better.

My take is that growing successfully in soil the results are more consistent. Usually very good to best.

Hydro - I've had good and other. Some not worthy.

I think the difference is in the microbes and fungi and their contribution to our environment. They have an influence on plants growth. Why shouldn't they have influence on potency, flavor and smell.

Yeah so soil growers we worry about our microbial health and the hydro guys worry about PPMs and PH.

Worms do our work for us to solve soil worries. So no worries.

Worm snob alert:
Red Wigglers
Night Crawlers (European Night Crawlers) - think fishing.

Wow I really got onto a ramble.

Must be the hash again.

I'm wearing a warm helmet around my eyes. lol
 
Commercial grows are there to churn up yield every couple of months to stack up shelves in pot shops. I don’t think there’s even a single thought there to focus on quality. I mean it’s coming through here and there on different expos and conferences, but these businesses are not there yet. And why would they be if most of the customers can’t tell the difference? Soil and organic growing are niches in this world and only with farther expansion that will bring new mindset to the game this should change. But so far Canadian companies and probably some American ones too are concerned with one thing only: lowering the costs of production. This is a blind alley though and it won’t last IMO.
 
Yeah sure like with craft beers. A product for demanding customer. If things open up a bit in EU I can see it happen here, but first we need to legalise :)
 
I've not yet shelled out for a MMJ card, so never got into a dispensary to ask more questions, but I always had the belief that Med bud was all organically grown? Next time I visit the local hydro shop, I'll ask him what our local Med grow uses as he supplies them their products. For me, a hydro grower, I got it down to where I will never have to lift anything heavy, ever, well except for my bud wash water, and I'm working the problem out as well. I don't know how the soil quality is down there in the southeast bob, but up here in in the northeast in coal country, local soils are awful which means I would then need to purchase (and carry) everything. My first grow was in soil, and I kept it in veg to experiment as much as possible with the various training techniques, but when I sent it to bloom, he grew nuts, lol. Also at that time, another grower reached out with wisdom and some basic gear that I wasn't able to afford, and since his teachings aligned to those being taught by a YouTube grower I was also watching at the time, I went that route. From then till now, I spent about 5 years trying to dial in GH 3 part with the whole line and dumped hundreds to a thousand on that brand of water and was never able to do better than pretty good. I mean I've taken many +# plants, but the leaves were always gnarly and burnt to shit. I now have a much different and extremely cheaper approach.

Because I mix everything from salts, I have FULL control. From chatting with other growers on RIU where the real hydro knowledge is (no offense 420), I've come to learn how to calculate each element right down to each individual micro. What's more important is that I don't push the feed at all to the point of excess which not only leads to toxicity, but more importantly lockouts of other things. I also learned that PPM on the meter is not PPM at all, but rather TDS expressed as PPM. On paper they're the same, but it's about the difference between a blueprint vs actually framing a house. When building my own nutrient, I know how much PPM of each component is added and have found ideal targets on the lower side of the spectrum. If GH at 70% strength represents the higher side of that spectrum, I learned cannabis can tolerate a pretty wide spectrum. When I grow, my plants no longer have to live in a tolerable environment. I give them just what they need and nothing more with the exception of phosphorus which I like to throttle just a little bit during bloom weeks 4-6/7 to fatten my buds.

For shit-n-gigglez, here are some charts of some olden times feed schedules, GH full strength, GH at 30% reduction, both of Jack's 321 mixes. And also my targets which I've since refined substantially. You can see how much GH burns in every aspect. Jack's 3.6-2.4-1.1 is what Jack's recommends, and that too is hot as shit. The version many canna grower uses which is 3 grams Jacks, 2 grams Calcium Nitrate and 1 gram Epson salt is much closer to ideal, but it too isn't all that great. My schedules are about as spot on as I've been able to find on the internet and believe me, I'm searching about as hard as one can search on this topic.

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Later today, I will be mixing up a custom blend of micros, and I'll be mixing all of the various macros and secondaries around that and discontinue using Peter's Pro (same as Jack's Pro) as a part A. My micro mix will be exactly at the above targets with no error.
 
Since you said hydro buds smell better, I can attest that it was the sulfur that caused this, so get more sulfur into your soils if in doing so doesn't interupt your microbial life. I also make a tea twice a week, and when learning about that learned to use unsulfured molasses which further raised the question of why unsulfured? I'm still looking for the answer to that one. So I brew my bennies w/o sulfur, but then I dump them onto my roots where there is plenty sulfur and it's just gonna be what it's gonna be.
 
This is a really nice breakdown, much more detailed that I usually see in hydro grows, where it's just NPK and maybe a shot of magnesium :) The sulphur contributes to the production of terpenes for sure as well as calcium and magnesium. Actually Doc Bud first noted it in his grows. But healthy organic soil usually contains a lot of sulphur and there are many ways of providing an extra boost if necessary.
 
And a couple of quick pics from the tent taken as soon as the lights went off.

The tent

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Jack Herer #1





Jack Herer #2





White Querkle





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White Querkle is gonna be better this time around I hope although I have to keep an eye on her, cause Brix started sliding. We'll see in a few days when she absorbs the cat drench. Jacks are not so happy though. They have weird nutrient demands that I can't quite understand. They've been calling for a lot of nitrogen/potassium throughout veg and flowering, much more than I'm used to giving. I also gave them additional shot of lithothamnium in early bloom to check if that helps with metabolism and a lot of bacteria in teas, but I still couldn't bring them to acceptable Brix levels. Again we'll see how they take cat drench, but I feel I'm gonna have to keep feeding them with energy fertilisers into mid and late bloom to keep them going.
 
That Jack Herer lookes beautiful bro! I scored some vape that came from a dispensary and it was called Jack Herer. It tasted so good and the high was exactly what I like. The way that your colas are stacked leads me to believe that she can be a good yielder, is that true? Also, what's the finish time for that strain about?
 
White Querkle is gonna be better this time around I hope although I have to keep an eye on her, cause Brix started sliding. We'll see in a few days when she absorbs the cat drench. Jacks are not so happy though. They have weird nutrient demands that I can't quite understand. They've been calling for a lot of nitrogen/potassium throughout veg and flowering, much more than I'm used to giving. I also gave them additional shot of lithothamnium in early bloom to check if that helps with metabolism and a lot of bacteria in teas, but I still couldn't bring them to acceptable Brix levels. Again we'll see how they take cat drench, but I feel I'm gonna have to keep feeding them with energy fertilisers into mid and late bloom to keep them going.
that's good to no that will help me with mine I hope I noticed mine looks light green I wonder if its already needy boy ill tell ya if you cant figure it I no I cant lol!
 
Sensi says 8-9 weeks for indica leaners and 10-11 for sativa ones.

Yeah the bright green one never wanted to get dark either and I had to trim her extensively to get a nice canopy. There’s a good calyx-to-leaf ratio to both these plants and they even smell similarly, but there’s something wrong with how they interact with my setup.
 
White Querkle is gonna be better this time around I hope although I have to keep an eye on her, cause Brix started sliding. We'll see in a few days when she absorbs the cat drench. Jacks are not so happy though. They have weird nutrient demands that I can't quite understand. They've been calling for a lot of nitrogen/potassium throughout veg and flowering, much more than I'm used to giving. I also gave them additional shot of lithothamnium in early bloom to check if that helps with metabolism and a lot of bacteria in teas, but I still couldn't bring them to acceptable Brix levels. Again we'll see how they take cat drench, but I feel I'm gonna have to keep feeding them with energy fertilisers into mid and late bloom to keep them going.
Are you timing JH from Sensi Seeds? I picked up a pack a while back. The two I tried before never sprouted. I've had another soaking now for about three days with no sign of cracking yet. I'm thinking I've got a pack of duds. I may drop the rest in water to see if I can get any to crack.
 
Sensi says 8-9 weeks for indica leaners and 10-11 for sativa ones.

Yeah the bright green one never wanted to get dark either and I had to trim her extensively to get a nice canopy. There’s a good calyx-to-leaf ratio to both these plants and they even smell similarly, but there’s something wrong with how they interact with my setup.
that's the way some of these new strains are you go along growing plants no problem then comes along one that just wont be happy!
 
Are you timing JH from Sensi Seeds? I picked up a pack a while back. The two I tried before never sprouted. I've had another soaking now for about three days with no sign of cracking yet. I'm thinking I've got a pack of duds. I may drop the rest in water to see if I can get any to crack.

I've had seeds that didn't pop either. I guess we take the good with the bad. IDK about all seed banks, but Herbies will likely send you new ones if you got them there. FWIW, my best results are with a saturated napkin sammich with the water wrung out around the edges which then draws water from the center and evens out the wetness, so it's not too wet or too dry in there.
 
I've had seeds that didn't pop either. I guess we take the good with the bad. IDK about all seed banks, but Herbies will likely send you new ones if you got them there. FWIW, my best results are with a saturated napkin sammich with the water wrung out around the edges which then draws water from the center and evens out the wetness, so it's not too wet or too dry in there.
I came home from work today to find it had cracked! There will be a Jack Herer.
 
I've had seeds that didn't pop either. I guess we take the good with the bad. IDK about all seed banks, but Herbies will likely send you new ones if you got them there. FWIW, my best results are with a saturated napkin sammich with the water wrung out around the edges which then draws water from the center and evens out the wetness, so it's not too wet or too dry in there.
just how I do it!
 
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