Conradino23 Keeps On Keeping On Outdoor & Indoor Using LOS/High Brix Methods

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Sure is - soil test. I get one every time I mix an new batch of soil which ain't very often. Here in the USA we have a thing called an Extension Service at every state university in the country. Its federally funded.

Oregon and Washington stopped doing soil test when they went legal for cannabis so they would not loose federal funding.

For $10 you get a kit, add some soil to it and mail it in. They do a comprehensive test, send you the results and make recommendation for amending if you need it.

This has been around ever since our first AG bill. Goes back to the 30s and the dust bowl in the mid west. That's our government trying to keep another dust bowl from happening again. Its a good thing. Was originally meant for farmers but its also for gardeners and everyone really. An example of government doing something positive. They built some really nice soil science labs all around the country with tax dollars thru the Extension Service.

If you read about someone that is a "Master Gardener" - they took courses in horticulture to get that title and that is also part of the Extension Service. Many of the Master Gardeners work for the Extension Service to help serve the public. You will meet them if you ever go to a County 4-H farm show. The 4-H Club is part of the Extension Service - get the kids involved in growing plants and animals. Its a great thing. Keeping America fed again.
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WOW bob, thanks! I'll look into this more deeply. I'd like to do some experimenting with soil to see the difference between hydro and soil. I know a lot about hydro and definitely am enjoying the result, but I'd also like to at least smoke a soil harvest to compare and maybe convert if doing so is worth my while.

For shitz and giggles, have any of you soil growers vegged for 10-12 weeks before? If yes, what size plant does that produce? I'm of the belief that I'm getting pounders b/c I veg for so long and wondered if any soil growers were able to achieve the same.

Also, I notice Conrad using airpots and wondered if you use them in bloom too? If yes, are you able to water more frequently? I also suspect this is one of the strengths of hydro, by flooding the media more frequently allows for more uptake. I know soil runs the risk of drowning the roots, but IMO, only if the root zone is lacking in O2, hence the question about airpots.
 
Skybound said:
For shitz and giggles, have any of you soil growers vegged for 10-12 weeks before? If yes, what size plant does that produce? I'm of the belief that I'm getting pounders b/c I veg for so long and wondered if any soil growers were able to achieve the same.
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ive got a soul diesel that's at 56 days above ground and its going outdoors for the summer in may so ya that one is going to have a long veg will see what it does about the end of September or first of October its going to be a while!
 
ilikemsticky said:
ive got a soul diesel that's at 56 days above ground and its going outdoors for the summer in may so ya that one is going to have a long veg will see what it does about the end of September or first of October its going to be a while!
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Next time you post a pic of her, tag me please. I'd like to see what 55 days in soil looks like.
 
Skybound said:
WOW bob, thanks! I'll look into this more deeply. I'd like to do some experimenting with soil to see the difference between hydro and soil. I know a lot about hydro and definitely am enjoying the result, but I'd also like to at least smoke a soil harvest to compare and maybe convert if doing so is worth my while.

For shitz and giggles, have any of you soil growers vegged for 10-12 weeks before? If yes, what size plant does that produce? I'm of the belief that I'm getting pounders b/c I veg for so long and wondered if any soil growers were able to achieve the same.

Also, I notice Conrad using airpots and wondered if you use them in bloom too? If yes, are you able to water more frequently? I also suspect this is one of the strengths of hydro, by flooding the media more frequently allows for more uptake. I know soil runs the risk of drowning the roots, but IMO, only if the root zone is lacking in O2, hence the question about airpots.
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I've had some tremendously long veg times in soil and have gotten some of my best yields from those plants, but it's nowhere in the range of what you're getting in hydro. I don't work too hard at training for yield however either.

This is a 5 and a half month veg, a good portion of that in the 17 gallon tote she's in in the shot. I flipped her shortly after this pic. I got around 4 zips from her, but she's not a high yielding cut. A good yielding cut would have given me 5-6. Some people can eek out more than I can in soil. @Duggan is a training wizz and could probably have pulled double what I did out of her.
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There have been a couple of people in our neighborhood that run SIPs which is along they lines of what you're thinking, soil, but with a hydro resevour. Shiggity was experimenting with large ones and was getting good results. He's been gone for a while though. @kelticBlue runs a SIP as well, but he does it for ease of watering while he's out of town for stretches, and his is on a smaller scale.
 
I had one pheno of Orangeade that would yield about 7 ounces in a 7 gallon pot after a 3 to 4 month veg. That was with little to no training. The other pheno would only give 3 to 4 ounces in the same time period. Light and genetics play a huge role in what you can expect for yield in any medium. With soil you need more root space to get bigger yields. I follow a guy on IG that pulls multiple pounds per plant inside in soil but he is using massive pots to do so. That high yielding Orangeade would have probably given me 15-17 ounces if I were to veg her in bigger containers and finish her in a 15.
 
Wow Morglie, 5 months and only ~4 zips, I'd be livid. I wonder if a hybrid grow might work, ie veg in hydro, then pot it up to soil for bloom? I've done this before intending to put some plants outdoors. I never got them to that point, but I did veg them for many weeks in rockwool, then potted them into soil, and they kept on truckin. Another thought I have is do you guys go right into big pots? The way I train in veg is to let the roots completely inundate the pot before I consider potting up. I put rooted cubes into solo cups with croutons and they're in there till they're over a foot tall. I wonder if a similar strategy might assist the production of a soil plant?

GreenYeti, can you PM that IG journal/thread link to me? I'd love to see what they have going on.
 
I've got a Buddah Tahoe OG from Cali Connection that's been vegging for 3 months and is only about 3 ft tall. I just purchased an Octopot which combines soil and hydro in a pretty simple design. Sweetsue has a thread on it now I recommend everyone look it up. She's already pulled over twice the yield from a clone in an Octopot compared to Hempy and Soil grows of the same clone. It makes sense that giving a plant access to water throughout the entire flowering period would grow bigger plants I wish I knew how to upload the link to her journal.

Here's my Buddah Tahoe OG in 1.5 gallons of FFOF soil wish it was much bigger by now. Definitely have to up pot soon. Will be testing out clones in the octopot compared to soil soon!

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Just Meds, if you can, can you link me to where in your journal your WW w/res is? There's 70 pages ....

Jgrowlove, I'm sure you know this already, but ya gotta let the roots dry out too or they'll grow very slow and the plant will follow suit. Your Tahoe looks great and IMO is about what I'd see in hydro at 3 mos more or less. When I put them in bloom, I ramp up my feed frequency, so I start at 1 feed per day till midway into stretch, then add a 2nd feeding till about half way to finish and add a 3rd slot. For me, this helps coax the roots to keep searching for more. By the time I harvest, I have to saw the root ball apart as they completely inundate everything.
 
I started using air-pots in 2009 when living in UK and never looked back. They offer a lot of benefits for people who wanna grow big plants, but have space issues. My biggest one is 12,5 L, which is roughly 3 GAL and it delivers as much as 6-7 GAL pot. Air-pots work through air pruning, which is how your gals never get root bound and will never get waterlogged. They'll call for a lot of water in late flowering, but you'll never see them wilting due to lack of root space. More oxygen entering the root zone makes for quicker and stronger growth and it offers a real edge for organic style grows, where collaborating with soil biota is crucial. In general you'll see much better metabolism and very few deficiencies. You can also use heavier soil mixes,which is what I do.

As far as vegging time I let them go through a long one, 10-12 weeks on average. But I grow 3-4 plants in my tent, so I really want to fill it up, so I can make it worth my while.
 
conradino23 said:
I started using air-pots in 2009 when living in UK and never looked back. They offer a lot of benefits for people who wanna grow big plants, but have space issues. My biggest one is 12,5 L, which is roughly 3 GAL and it delivers as much as 6-7 GAL pot. Air-pots work through air pruning, which is how your gals never get root bound and will never get waterlogged. They'll call for a lot of water in late flowering, but you'll never see them wilting due to lack of root space. More oxygen entering the root zone makes for quicker and stronger growth and it offers a real edge for organic style grows, where collaborating with soil biota is crucial. In general you'll see much better metabolism and very few deficiencies. You can also use heavier soil mixes,which is what I do.

As far as vegging time I let them go through a long one, 10-12 weeks on average. But I grow 3-4 plants in my tent, so I really want to fill it up, so I can make it worth my while.
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Ive only used them for I grow but I like what I see I like that they dry out quicker for me it makes it easier to not over water and like @Skybound said it makes the roots search for water!:)
 
Well bigger holes better aeration... but the small screws can be a pain to work with if you’re shooting for 30% thc or close. You have to crank them up often I guess :)
 
Screws?

FWIW, I use the 7 gal (blue) air pots and love them to the moon and back. They perform every bit as Conradino described. Of course rockwool is much more airy than dirt so I can push the envelope much further, still though, I bet having a lot of air exchange is better realized with soil. Conradino, what's your average yields with them and soil?
 
I wouldn’t be that bold to give you a number. Too many variables IMO. You have umols/m2, genetics, veg time affecting it. If you worked with one stable strain that’d be a better start, but I don’t.
 
I hear ya. I spent better than a year trying to get a # out of OG Kush, but simply could not, and the monthly harvests ranged from 6 to 14.5 zips which was horrible for me, Bubblelicious before and Cheese after seem to avg a # tho. I was just lookin for a ball park estimate mostly, but I also know most growers run through many strains, probably for the knowledge of knowing they've smoked everything there is to sample, lol. I was always more concerned about my growing techniques than my strains. I have a severely low tolerence to smoke and always did. 2 hits off some Mexi brick probably does to me, what some deep lung dabs do to others.
 
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