Colombian Gold Grow: Come Learn With Me How To Produce Your Own Seeds!

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply to my rudimentary questions! Yup, I already had in my notes your recos of 50PPM and 2x daily, so I will definitely be following those aspects to the letter. I do have some Blueberry seeds (fem, not auto), but they are not on the docket right now.

Your personal experience of the female traits having greater impact on the outcome seem to agree with what I have read elsewhere, so that seems like good confirmation.

On the last topic, that of selfing… (not to be confused with selfies)

beez0404 said:
So basically you're wondering about the quality of the pollen produced by a plant that is reversed?
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I don't think I worded this last question very well. If my ultimate goal is to multiply the number of strong, vibrant DDA seeds in my collection, do you think the likelihood of success would be better if I:

1) Grew two plants from separate seeds, plant A and plant B. Reverse plant A (or a branch on it at any rate) and use the pollen on plant B's pistils; or,

2) Grew just one plant, reversed one branch, and then used that pollen on buds on the same plant.

I think approach #2 is closer to your crossing clones illustration, as there is only one set of genes in the equation. Do you think there are any advantages to approach #1 in terms of genetic diversity/vigor? I guess there might be drawbacks to #2 as well. The practical side of more space for two plants, more expense, etc. But also that same "diversity" might mean that desirable traits from plant A, for example, might get lost in the crossing with plant B.

Behind all of this is the desire to end up with a good collection of strong DDA genetics in the form of seeds, which I can then use for further crossing with other autos. Kind of like your DDA x NL throughout this journal.

At any rate, thank you again for your kind responses!
 
If I had two DDA seeds and wanted make seeds for future growing I don't think one method #1 or #2 has a benefit over the other. So why not save the second seed in the event you have a problem reversing the first one. I believe the seeds resulting from either approach will yield you seeds/plants of equal qualities.
 
beez0404 said:
If I had two DDA seeds and wanted make seeds for future growing I don't think one method #1 or #2 has a benefit over the other. So why not save the second seed in the event you have a problem reversing the first one. I believe the seeds resulting from either approach will yield you seeds/plants of equal qualities.
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This is perfect, I will do exactly as you suggest. Thanks!
 
@The Bard The Chemdogs are very difficult to reverse as are some diesels. As far as which parent dominates that’s all in the genetics. Either parent can have dominate genes or dominate recessives that would express themselves obviously. Just have to record expressed traits for both parents and see what ends up in the offspring. For most professional breeders their males are where the magic usually comes from.
 
Pennywise said:
@The Bard The Chemdogs are very difficult to reverse as are some diesels. As far as which parent dominates that’s all in the genetics. Either parent can have dominate genes or dominate recessives that would express themselves obviously. Just have to record expressed traits for both parents and see what ends up in the offspring. For most professional breeders their males are where the magic usually comes from.
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Thanks @Pennywise. I was trying to recall my old high school biology lessons on genetics. Gregor Mendel, pea plants, and all that! I could not really figure out why it would matter which strain/cultivar/species was the mother versus the father, at least in terms of outcome for the offspring. But I have seen repeated references from different sources suggesting that the traits from the mother cannabis will be expressed more than the father. It is kind of just a theoretical point right now for me, as I will be starting small with just one DDA seed, as @beez0404 suggested, and trying to reverse it for pollen.

Interesting that pro breeders get the magic from the males. I don't have any true males to work with (i.e. no "regular" seeds) right now.

But I am excited just to increase the number of DDA seeds I have, and then might try doing some crosses with other autos in the future.

Thanks as always Penny. Hope that you are having a great weekend!
 
If you're going to run a DDA and reverse it why not run an auto of a different strain along with it and cross the DDA pollen with whatever other auto you choose to run. That will give you a bunch of DDA seeds as well as a new cross to play with as time and space permit.
 
beez0404 said:
If you're going to run a DDA and reverse it why not run an auto of a different strain along with it and cross the DDA pollen with whatever other auto you choose to run. That will give you a bunch of DDA seeds as well as a new cross to play with as time and space permit.
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Thanks! You are actually a couple of steps ahead of me! My longer term goal is to use DDA as a pollen source for a number of different crosses with other autos. But I don't have space for more than one plant in the tent right now, so will just do the DDA on her own, and self-pollinate, and hopefully store some excess pollen for the future. If I can build up a nice inventory of DDA seeds, then that will set me up for a auto crossing festival in a few months, when the tent has some capacity.

I was thinking about storing the excess pollen (if I get that far!) mixed with some plain flour, and stored in a tight, light-proof jar in the fridge or freezer. I know that pollen degrades over time, but hopefully that will give me a month or two for other autos to catch up and be ready for the game. What do you think?

But appreciate the suggestion - if spaces wasn't an issue right now, I'd be all over your idea.
 
I've honestly never tried storing pollen. I hear of it being done though.
 
beez0404 said:
I've honestly never tried storing pollen. I hear of it being done though.
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I will give it a shot (if I get to the pollen collection stage, of course).
 
Thanks everyone for the advice and suggestions. Dropped a solo DDA this afternoon. These seeds were part of my order from sponsor @Gary from The Vault. I will be trying a hempy-style grow for this one, just for the learning experience.

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Pennywise said:
Hempy will be a good run.
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So many different cool things to try with this hobby. Seed collecting, cloning, indoors, outdoors, cultivation techniques, training, nute formulations, and now seed propagation. And that is before one even gets to enjoying the fruits of one's labours. Fun fun fun!
 
beez maybe you can splain somethin to me about nanners.

I've rarely seen them in my 10 yrs of growing, but for a few grows now I've been getting a couple nanners on some of the plants and I think it might be from rotating them every two or three days under different type lights. I have a P300 blurple and a Vero240 COB side by side long ways.
Even if I dont see any nanners on a plant I get a seed or two per plant from pollen drift I guess, A few interesting crosses and selfies.
Do you think the rotating could cause stressed nanners?

Also I usually dont spot them til after the 7th week or later, and I find only a few seeds throughout a plant.
But, the seeds are always very mature.
Would these nanners have to be hanging around early in flower and go unnoticed to have seeds so mature?
 
I think you probably answered your own question about the cause of the nanners. It's their way of telling you to buy another Vero240 COB!! But it could be any number of things causing them. Something you can do to help reduce them is to make sure to keep the lower part of the plant free from growth (branches...leaves) I have had nanners two times. Both with Blue Dream plants. And both times the nanners were way down at the bottom of the plant. Some strains are prone to nanners.

And if you're finding mature seeds one of two things is happening. A) The plant with the seeds developed nanners 5-7 weeks prior and it pollinated itself. B) A tent mate had nanners and pollinated the plant with the seeds.
 
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