Colombian Andes Greenhouse SIP CBD Auto Grow

Good photos!
Thanks!
Ok, that is very good to know, thank you!
Np
Oooh Awwww the great Krissi calming juju at work again. lol CL🍀
You know the good lord of good green lords or good green aliens above us know I try my best to spread it around
You mean what they call blurples? If so, I've heard they're good for veg but not so great for flower.
Yaaaa
That's the kind of feedback I need!
It is this one:

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If it has limited use, I should sell it and get different ones.
Thanks!
Second time seeing this now....
Hard to say. I know the blurples were the standard a while back but I assume those were specific LED ranges good for plants. Yours could be that but could also just be an artsy light with no real grow power.
I agree on the grow power. I can tell already it lacks that. Good starter clone light, prolly.
 
Thanks!

Np

You know the good lord of good green lords or good green aliens above us know I try my best to spread it around

Yaaaa

Second time seeing this now....

I agree on the grow power. I can tell already it lacks that. Good starter clone light, prolly.
Sorry, @Krissi Carbone ! I got all wrapped up in work, and in the SIP Club thread. (Great photos from you, btw.)
I am selling the blurples.
Thanks so much for turning us all on to the SIPs/self-watering pots!
I am trying to follow RD's instructions, and just wait for ignition.
 
Hey @cbdhemp808 ,
May I please ask, how many degrees are you off the equator?
And how much longer is your summer than your winter?
And more to the point, when you pull a girl from your veg shelter, to move her into your flowering shelter, does she ever NOT flower (perhaps depending on the season)?

The reason I ask is because I have some all-CBD photo fems.
If I can ever get this greenhouse constructed, I thought maybe I could veg the all-CBD photo fems in SIPs indoors, and then when they hit a certain size (I will check with @Buds Buddy ), I could progressively harden them off by moving them up to the rooftop greenhouse during daylight hours (and after a few days, I could just leave them altogether).

I think summer is maybe a half hour longer than winter, but does it seem like switching from 18-6 (or 24-0 as the case may be) to "somewhere near 12-12" would flip them into flower realiably?
If so, then I could grow a couple of photo fem all-CBD plants, and mix that in the bowl with some other all-THC plants.
Does that seem to you like it should work?
Or not really?
Thanks!
 
Hey Shed!
Are you saying that on Dec 21st (your longest day) it's only an 30 minutes longer than your shortest day on June 21st?
Oops! My bad!
Less than that!
(It looks like 9 minutes....)
Quote:

"Sun

The length of the day in Sibundoy does not vary substantially over the course of the year, staying within 11 minutes of 12 hours throughout. In 2022, the shortest day is December 21, with 12 hours, 3 minutes of daylight; the longest day is June 21, with 12 hours, 12 minutes of daylight."
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I'm not cbdhemp obviously
"WHAT?!?!"
(Hahahaha....)
but I can tell that moving a plant from 18/6 (or 24/0) to 12/12-ish will definitely flip it to flower.
:thumb:
Whether it will 100% stay in flower until harvest is something I can't tell you but I'm guessing it will.
:thanks:

(Now if I can ever get my greenhouse built, maybe I can try it?? Lol! :rolleyes: )
 
I guess that's why some folks start equatorial sativas at 12/12 from seed!
I saw a video some time ago where they add low-watt light bulbs to extend the day a couple of hours, and then when they take it away, it flowers.

I don't really understand how cannabis can flower and reproduce in an environment that hangs closely to 12-12.
Yes, there is a little temperature and weather fluctuation here (i.e., there is a summer, at least of sorts), but I would have to ask the locals when to plant seeds on an outdoor photoperiod grow.
(If you meant anything more than that, it went way over my head...)
 
Copying and pasting these notes from RezDog, from Azi's SIP Club thread (so I can find it later).
Rezident expert RezDog sez:

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Add pre-dampened/moistened soil with 40% perlite to bucket. (if dust-fart dry some mixes can become hydrophobic and absorb moisture unevenly). Do not create layers of perlite or other additives. No manures other than worm castings, unless amounts are less than 1 cup in total. Limit compost to 1 cup/gallon. With manures you are likely to create a nitrogen soup in the reservoir attractive to death-dealing microbes. Compost holds a great deal of moisture, but SIPs self-water so this retentive quality is not needed and we are more concerned with not holding too much moisture. That is why 40% perlite is critical. Strictly moderate your compost. Hard, I know.

24 hours before transplanting small seedling or planting germ'd seed FIll reservoir to allow the grow matrix (soil, or peat/perlite pre-mixes like ProMix, Sunshine Mix #4) to absorb water. After 24 hr even if top 1/2 inch is dry you will see moisture below that and that is all you need or want. The idea is for there to be only 1/2 full reservoir or less remaining after 24hrs of absorption.

After 24 hours confirm system has absorbed half or more than half of the approx one gallon of water the reservoir holds. If reservoir is over half full after 24 hrs simply wait for evaporation to take place over a few day before planting. You do not want to plant with reservoir over half full after initial absorption.

After minimum 24hours absorption and confirmation that reservoir is half to 1/3 full then proceeded with planting. I, and Octopot whose manual I am paraphrasing, do not recommend starting seedlings or seeds in a system that has reservoir over half full.

Why? Because advantage of the system is that plants can revert to their natural root building 'scheme' in a container with a moisture gradient. Normal container growing cannot recreate a moisture gradient, thus its inferiority compared to proper SIP growing. But it dependent on grower to appreciate this requirement and understand some basics. Such as: When reservoir is full a gradient still exists, however, the difference in moisture level between top and bottom is less so than when the reservoir is less full. Germ'd seeds and seedlings require the extra "hint" that best conditions lie below, deep below, and will expedite a taproot to go deep when the gradient is obvious. Maintain these levels for two weeks.

The above information should answer your questions about top watering frequency because there's nothing you can do that destroys the moisture gradient and the plant's ability to perceive its existence more than top watering. Common sense. You have a "self watering' pot with a reservoir. Never water your plant any other way unless it is fully mature and even then you need a good excuse, like the need for a certain input, s special fertilizer or some such. My SIPs are totally dry in first 1-3 cm, this is normal and good. Mulch if it scares you but it won't hurt plant and will reduce fungi/mold/bug threats. It's not about the roots "hitting the reservoir" like DWC, they are getting oxygen and food/water in the soil matrix if its well aerated (40% perlite) and you have overflow hole drilled. It's about 'hydrotropism" and the huge efficiencies that delivers over the plants in traditional container gardening because SIP plant is in a comparatively steady-state, and not bouncing back and forth between the compromised states of soaking wet, and almost dry. Time-lapse comparisons confirm this. SIPs grow steadily, constantly. Traditional containers grow right after watering, then pause through the dry-out we must impose in that system to wait for water to come again.

Yes, when you transplants a seedling, or a germinated or un germinated seed you need to water it in with less than a pint/liter of water to close any air gaps immediately around the plant/seed, but that is all. If you top water again, esp. in the next 2-3 weeks, you will significantly slow development. You do not need to top water, ever nor should you unless you are applying a special input that you'd rather not have in the reservoir.

Also, if you are creating a seedling for transplant, plant it before 5th node, after 2nd node is fine. Also, even before its in a SIP, bottom water your seedling while it's developing to kickstart its "moisture gradient" muscle memory.

Lastly, transplants of mature plants from a container over 3 gallons are not recommended. No advantage will accrue as the plant is unlikely to any longer be able to access its genetic memory of moisture gradient-steered hydrotropism at such an advanced state of root development. It seems pot size is key here, however, so plants originally in pots smaller than 3 gal may still be successfully transplanted and will, after an adaption period, show intense growth. This is by no means preferable, however, to planting small seedlings or germed seeds as the adaption period of any mature plant can become painfully extended or even unending in rare cases.

Otherwise intelligent growers will argue some points above about planting germ'd seeds or seedlings, but, they're usually not experienced SIP growers and, again, this information I'm giving you is from a successful SIP-only company, developed by horticulture/agriculture PHds, following proven scientific principals that have practically proven themselves during product development and later customer use to work and be superior to other approaches. Octopot, in my humble estimation, is probably the best off-the-shelf grow system in the world, bar none, given what you must put in compared to what you get out. However, you can rest assured that these are SIP-specific principles, not merely Octopot-only rules. Do yourself a huge favour and go here to download their user guide. A great majority of the issues and questions you might have are addressed. Reference it constantly, it will not steer you wrong.

I personally plant 2-3 node seedlings into SIP as my preference but I am sure to bottom water these plants, very sparingly, from the first days after germination so they've already experienced a bottom-heavy moisture gradient before going in the SIP. If you grow seedling in normal container that's been top watered your seedling will be at a distinct disadvantage when transplanted, in particular the longer you wait.

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Hey,
May I please ask, how many degrees are you off the equator?
Hawaii :laughtwo:.
And how much longer is your summer than your winter?
The date of summer solstice in the northern hemisphere is the same everywhere in the northern hemisphere. Ditto for winter solstice. The date for summer solstice in the northern hemisphere corresponds roughly to the date for winter solstice in the southern hemisphere. Etc.

At my latitude, my cannabis plants go into flower regardless of the time of year, and that's because our night length is sufficiently long all year round. Even on summer solstice – the shortest night of the year – night length is 10.7 hours. Note, seedlings need to reach maturity before they flower – not so with clones.
And more to the point, when you pull a girl from your veg shelter, to move her into your flowering shelter, does she ever NOT flower (perhaps depending on the season)?
I haven't had that happen. They always start flowering within a couple weeks. Some sativas might be different.
The reason I ask is because I have some all-CBD photo fems.
If I can ever get this greenhouse constructed, I thought maybe I could veg the all-CBD photo fems in SIPs indoors, and then when they hit a certain size (I will check with @Buds Buddy ), I could progressively harden them off by moving them up to the rooftop greenhouse during daylight hours (and after a few days, I could just leave them altogether).
Sounds good. Why not just put the SIPs in the greenhouse to begin with, maybe once the plants are about 2 ft tall?
I think summer is maybe a half hour longer than winter, but does it seem like switching from 18-6 (or 24-0 as the case may be) to "somewhere near 12-12" would flip them into flower realiably?
Growers do 12 hours dark just to be on the safe side. 10 to 10.5 apparently is enough. Some sativas may behave differently, if I recall correctly. Dunno know what you mean by summer longer than winter. Here's a website that will tell you the daylight duration anywhere on the planet, for any date past, present, future: suncalc.org.
If so, then I could grow a couple of photo fem all-CBD plants, and mix that in the bowl with some other all-THC plants.
Does that seem to you like it should work?
Or not really?
CBD or THC doesn't matter. If they are photos, that's what matters. And your autos can be grown in the same place as your photos, because autos don't care about artificial lighting.
 
At my latitude, my cannabis plants go into flower regardless of the time of year, and that's because our night length is sufficiently long all year round. Even on summer solstice – the shortest night of the year – night length is 10.7 hours. Note, seedlings need to reach maturity before they flower – not so with clones.
Ok, perfect! Thank you.
I figure Hawaii is a litle further off the equator than Colombia, so if you can get a consistent flip, regardless of time of year, then I should be able to also (since your summer is a little longer).
I haven't had that happen. They always start flowering within a couple weeks. Some sativas might be different.
Kewl.
Thank you. :hookah:
Sounds good. Why not just put the SIPs in the greenhouse to begin with, maybe once the plants are about 2 ft tall?
Yeah.
I'd have to look at @Buds Buddy 's thread again, but he lets his veg a few weeks, and then flipped.
I think he is timing it so that the photo fem won't get too big for the SIP (i.e., he won't run out of fuel for the grow).
I thought to try that after I get the greenhouse fixed, but I just remembered that the reason I am still running autos here is because of the gnarly outside ("read at night") street lighting.

(But at least with a SIP, autos should get big! So I have no more grumbling about paying $15 for auto seeds....)
Growers do 12 hours dark just to be on the safe side. 10 to 10.5 apparently is enough.
Yeah, ok. Makes sense.
Some sativas may behave differently, if I recall correctly.
Good to know!
CBD or THC doesn't matter. If they are photos, that's what matters. And your autos can be grown in the same place as your photos, because autos don't care about artificial lighting.
Yeah.
I forgot about the gnarly night lighting outside.
That's ok! I can run autos for now.
I am enjoying the extra warmth inside the house!
 
Sorry, @Krissi Carbone ! I got all wrapped up in work, and in the SIP Club thread. (Great photos from you, btw.)
I am selling the blurples.
Thanks so much for turning us all on to the SIPs/self-watering pots!
I am trying to follow RD's instructions, and just wait for ignition.
Anytime Sir, looking forward to seeing what you can do with them. So much good info in one area now that we have @Azimuths thread. Thank God the blurples are leaving. Have a great day Columbiano
 
Ok, perfect! Thank you.
I figure Hawaii is a litle further off the equator than Colombia, so if you can get a consistent flip, regardless of time of year, then I should be able to also (since your summer is a little longer).

Kewl.
Thank you. :hookah:

Yeah.
I'd have to look at @Buds Buddy 's thread again, but he lets his veg a few weeks, and then flipped.
I think he is timing it so that the photo fem won't get too big for the SIP (i.e., he won't run out of fuel for the grow).
I thought to try that after I get the greenhouse fixed, but I just remembered that the reason I am still running autos here is because of the gnarly outside ("read at night") street lighting.

(But at least with a SIP, autos should get big! So I have no more grumbling about paying $15 for auto seeds....)

Yeah, ok. Makes sense.

Good to know!

Yeah.
I forgot about the gnarly night lighting outside.
That's ok! I can run autos for now.
I am enjoying the extra warmth inside the house!
I usually Veg anywhere between 4 - 6 weeks. Just depends on the size of the plant. I figure if it's almost waist high it will be 5 feet tall at harvest. I try to keep them 3 - 4 feet tall if possible & 3 feet wide or more.
 
Anytime Sir, looking forward to seeing what you can do with them. So much good info in one area now that we have @Azimuths thread. Thank God the blurples are leaving. Have a great day Columbiano
Thank you, Madam @Krissi Carbone Ma'am!
Yes, halleluyah, the blurples left yesterday!
(Someone in Colombia can give them a good new home!)
 
Will that affect your rooftop greenhouse?
Well, only 'cuz it torpedoes my thought to grow photo fems, because you can literally read at night on the roof (so photo fems prolly won' flower, mon!).
So I don't think photo fems will work.
:(

I guess I will drive forward with the autos for now, and hope that I get the greenhouse built before they get too big!
I ordered a bunch more (white) lights, in case I need to end up doing this indoors (and winter is coming!)
Lol. (So much for my plans! Lol.)
 
I usually Veg anywhere between 4 - 6 weeks. Just depends on the size of the plant. I figure if it's almost waist high it will be 5 feet tall at harvest. I try to keep them 3 - 4 feet tall if possible & 3 feet wide or more.
Perfect! Thanks, Buds!
:thanks:
That was exactly what I need to know!
 
Thank you, Madam @Krissi Carbone Ma'am!
Yes, halleluyah, the blurples left yesterday!
(Someone in Colombia can give them a good new home!)
I'm glad they were able to be used somewhere else, they're not terrible if used for the right things- definitely serve their purpose! How is the weather over there this time of year btw, I assume pretty good with a balcony grow lol
 
I'm glad they were able to be used somewhere else, they're not terrible if used for the right things- definitely serve their purpose! How is the weather over there this time of year btw, I assume pretty good with a balcony grow lol
(Ahh, I remember now, the reason you saw it twice was that I posted the question in two threads, and you must be subscribed to both.)
Yeah, I just kind of need a good all-around light.

About the weather, there is normally a lot of cloud cover here, in this particular location, so it is not as sunny as one might think.
There are warm places in Colombia, but this one is actually cooler than I thought.
It was summer when we started looking here, and now we are just getting ready to go into winter, so I may end up deploying more lights just for the warmth! (Haha!)
The climate is kind of like a May day in Seattle, where I grew up.
(Most people like less clouds, but I like all kinds of weather, so long as I have heat in the house! Haha.)

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I think it is actually a little brighter in the nursery room.

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I am hop
Anytime Sir, looking forward to seeing what you can do with them. So much good info in one area now that we have @Azimuths thread. Thank God the blurples are leaving. Have a great day Columbiano
Haha, I am looking forward to seeing what I can do with them!
I sure hope the good juju from all you old hands will rub off soon!

Already this grow is way different than I thought. The only seeds I was concerned about were the Northern Light CBD, because the seeds were all yellow--but those are the strongest growers!
(Probably they would all be much bigger by now if I had known @ReservoirDog 's advice from the start!)

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I would think a Northern Light CBD auto would be smaller than the other autos, because NL is so compact, but these are the largest of the seedlings.
I am hoping the others will recover, now that I am no longer top watering (the black stain is from Re-charge).
I am super stoked about NL CBD! NL was the first plant I tried, but back then I had massive newbie weed paranoia, and I could not handle it. So I am super looking forward to it now, especially in a CBD version!
I am hoping the SIP can help me get some yield.
 
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