Colombian Andes Greenhouse SIP CBD Auto Grow

[CBDMed]

Cannabis plants use a lot less phosphorus than the nute companies are trying to sell us.
I've posted these before, but this is a pdf with plant analysis charts and graphs (with full detailed lab analysis) done on the macro and micronutrients found in three different strains of cannabis plant during veg and flower.
The varieties and analysis are from 2003, but I don't think we have modified the plant in the last 17 years to the extent that the nutrient results would vary that greatly today. Here are screenshots of the first three graphs:

Shed, thanks.
But I guess, what message are you trying to send me with that?
I guess the problem I've got is that for some reason, my lil' plantas are still showing signs of needing P, so I thought to add P.
Are you saying to "Go easy, 'cuz they really don' need that much, bro?"
Or what you be tryin' ta tell me, mon?

 

[CBDMed]

Regarding hemp and CBD... most CBD hemp varieties have around 10% CBD and no more than 1% THC.

Some CBD hemp varieties can reach 20 or even 24/25% CBD.

I am now growing Sweet Critical CBD and Doctor Seedsman 30:1, from Coffee Shop. They are both supposed to reach at least 20% CBD. I'll grow them up and have the buds tested.

Thanks, CBD!
Coffee Shop did me right before.
I will try to check those out.

There's another one folks might be interested in... Quebec CBD 20:1... looks to be very high quality.

Hahaha, is that a tropical strain with high mold resistance?
(Just kidding!! The buds look airy, so it should be good...)

 

[CBDMed]

This is something I'm still trying to work out and don't have a success story for you yet.

But to answer your question, any of the organic amendments are likely going to have about a two week period before they show any impact so it won't help you quickly.

Usage is the typical Jadam dilution rates of at least 1:25 so you can scale up or down as needed.

As for keeping it out of the reservoir or not, I'm trying that now (feeding via the reservoir) and haven't had any issues yet but it's only been a few weeks so still inconclusive to me.

I think ResDog feels differently so we'll need more at bats to tell better.

Azi, are you saying that you think you might be experiencing a success with your KNF and Jadam extracts in the res, but can't prove it yet?
And ResDog says it won't work?

I thought earlier you were saying that the KNF and Jadam *might rely on soil interaction?
I guess I am debating whether to top-water and mess up the water gradient for a day, or add it to the res and hope it helps.

 

[Azimuth]

Azi, are you saying that you think you might be experiencing a success with your KNF and Jadam extracts in the res, but can't prove it yet?

No, I'm saying that so far I'm not experiencing any problems or issues, but that it's too early to tell if I will have success with it. I'm optimistic that it will work because I now have soil, and therefore microbes, down at the reservoir level where I'm now adding my Jadam nutes, but with organics, any changes usually take at least 2 weeks to show any effect, and I'm only just now coming into that window.

Also, my soil seems to last for about 6 weeks on it's own without any amendments and with the lag time of the transition period, that usually puts me at about week three of flower which is exactly where I have had the start of my issues. I have a plant I just flipped on Dec 15 so that one is still 3-4 weeks out before I'll know if I have made any progress in dealing with the issue since my plants have all looked fine through week three and this one isn't even in week one of flower yet.

And ResDog says it won't work?

As far as I know he is basing that on the information he has gleamed from the commercial site he has investigated and not necessarily on his own experience. The site he uses is run by PhD's in plant science so he has confidence in their recommendations. Me? I like to prove things to myself if I think I have an angle I want to explore, while keeping the official "science" in mind.

I thought earlier you were saying that the KNF and Jadam *might rely on soil interaction?
I guess I am debating whether to top-water and mess up the water gradient for a day, or add it to the res and hope it helps.

I think that very well may be the case but need to prove it to myself and have several experiments planned to try to hone in on the particulars.

I think you'd be fine watering your banana extract from the top to get it interacting with the microbes up there and as I've said before I don't think having it get into the reservoir is any kind of disaster. If you are worried about it you could always carefully tip the bucket to drain most of the excess liquid after giving it a few minutes to reabsorb what it wants to.

 

[InTheShed]

Go easy, 'cuz they really don' need that much, bro?"

This. 0-13-14 is a lot more P than you need if you can find a source with less.

 

[CBDMed]

This. 0-13-14 is a lot more P than you need if you can find a source with less.

Thanks! I looked for a source of liquid P (only), but could not find one. The K 13-14 was all I could find in liquid form.
I figure I won't need to add much, but I want it to have enough for flowering and buds.

 

[CBDMed]

Ok, I just asked our workman to give me a rain fly next to the greenhouse (for Colombian sativas), and also a 120cm x 220cm flowering tent indoors (3.9' x 7.21') for non-mold-resistant indica hybrids (like Harlequin).

Hopefully there should be enough room in the new flowering tent for two full size photoperiod CBDs in SIPs. Then I can run both autos and photos, and Colombian sativas up on the roof.

 

[bluter]

I'm just starting an ACDC plant which is supposed to be anywhere between 20:1 and 40:1 CBD:THC.

that's the ratio. the percentage of each has nothing to do with the ratio. .016% cbd and .0008% thc is still 20:1
what i discovered with high ratio cbd plants is they have little of either usually unless properly quoting total percentage, not ratio.

the most effective cbd strains usually are 1:1 ratio at about 8% / 9% of each.

 

[CBDMed]

that's the ratio. the percentage of each has nothing to do with the ratio. .016% cbd and .0008% thc is still 20:1
what i discovered with high ratio cbd plants is they have little of either usually unless properly quoting total percentage, not ratio.

the most effective cbd strains usually are 1:1 ratio at about 8% / 9% of each.

Hey @bluter , thanks!

So, you get "the most stone for your nute" with 1:1??

 

[bluter]

So, you get "the most stone for your nute" with 1:1??

getting stoned is something else. i'm saying it is useful to know the percentage of both thc and cbd a particular plant produces, not just the ratio. cbd and thc are only two of a myriad of cannabinoids. that's why there is no such thing as a 100% plant of anything. it can only get bred so far.

sometimes marketing can use one or the other number as a sales pitch, even falsely. it's best to dig a little deeper if you can.

many of the numbers bear little reality. those numbers are produced under perfect conditions by master growers using the best of the genetics. nothing says that matches what you got in the seed bag or how you are growing.

 

[CBDMed]

getting stoned is something else. i'm saying it is useful to know the percentage of both thc and cbd a particular plant produces, not just the ratio. cbd and thc are only two of a myriad of cannabinoids. that's why there is no such thing as a 100% plant of anything. it can only get bred so far.

sometimes marketing can use one or the other number as a sales pitch, even falsely. it's best to dig a little deeper if you can.

many of the numbers bear little reality. those numbers are produced under perfect conditions by master growers using the best of the genetics. nothing says that matches what you got in the seed bag or how you are growing.

Great to know.
Thanks, @bluter!

 

[Azimuth]

that's the ratio. the percentage of each has nothing to do with the ratio. .016% cbd and .0008% thc is still 20:1
what i discovered with high ratio cbd plants is they have little of either usually unless properly quoting total percentage, not ratio.

the most effective cbd strains usually are 1:1 ratio at about 8% / 9% of each.

The ACDC is supposed to be 15-18% CBD. But you're right on the ratio itself not meaing a whole lot.

And our comments to EL G was that by growing a high CBD plant and a high THC plant, he could mix and match the two to his heart's content after harvest depending on the then requirements, but growing a 50/50 strain kind of locks you into that ratio for your use. The other way gives infinite ratios to play with.

 

[bluter]

The ACDC is supposed to be 15-18% CBD. But you're right on the ratio itself not meaing a whole lot.

And our comments to EL G was that by growing a high CBD plant and a high THC plant, he could mix and match the two to his heart's content after harvest depending on the then requirements, but growing a 50/50 strain kind of locks you into that ratio for your use. The other way give infinite ratios to play with.

it works to a degree. you have make sure you get your extraction % nailed, and then you can calculate your ratios of infused materials to combine.

i find i keep changing things with different strains for the same reasons depending what i use it for.


edit : when looking at stains i try find both numbers. especially for the cbd apps

 

[CBDMed]

Ok, the deed is done.
I figured as long as I was top watering, I should add some Recharge and some molasses. Now the whole house has that lovely barnyard smell!
The PK 13-14 is supposed to be here the end of next week, so hopefully this will help things get pointed back in the correct direction until then.
Thanks.

 

[cbdhemp808]

I'm just starting an ACDC plant which is supposed to be anywhere between 20:1 and 40:1 CBD:THC.

that's the ratio. the percentage of each has nothing to do with the ratio. .016% cbd and .0008% thc is still 20:1
what i discovered with high ratio cbd plants is they have little of either usually unless properly quoting total percentage, not ratio.

the most effective cbd strains usually are 1:1 ratio at about 8% / 9% of each.

These days, a "CBD strain" is a plant that produces primarily CBD. This is typically called "CBD hemp" because the THC level is not more than 1%, and can be harvested early to produce not more than 0.3% THC (the legal limit for hemp).

What you are referring to is a 1:1 plant, meaning chemotype 2, meaning significant amounts of both THC and CBD. A 1:1 plant usually isn't exactly 1 to 1 (THC/CBD). Examples are Stephen Hawking Kush and ACDC. These you can find by googling for: 1:1 cannabis varieties

Regarding ACDC, it looks like THC can range from 1 to 5%, while CBD is maybe 10 to 13%.

If the ratio was 20:1, and THC was 1%, then CBD would be 20%. I think that's just not the case for ACDC. I think quite often the ratios given are incorrect. I.e. some seed sellers aren't giving the correct ratios. A good example of a correct ratio is "Quebec CBD 20:1"... CBD will be 20% and THC 1%.

All strains containing significant amounts of CBD will typically have THC of at least 1%. The most percent CBD I've seen is 24 or 25%, and that may only occur with some phenos of a particular strain. For example, there's one called The Gift, which I believe is a pheno of Ringo's Gift. It might be clone-only, not sure.

This means that ratios given that are above 25:1 are just plain wrong information.

 

[cbdhemp808]

... our comments to EL G was that by growing a high CBD plant and a high THC plant, he could mix and match the two to his heart's content after harvest depending on the then requirements, but growing a 50/50 strain kind of locks you into that ratio for your use. The other way gives infinite ratios to play with.

it works to a degree. you have make sure you get your extraction % nailed, and then you can calculate your ratios of infused materials to combine.

It works 100% for smoking or vaping buds. That's what I was referring to, and I think Azi, too.

Whether buds or extract, the only way to know how much THC or CBD is to have it tested by a lab.

But you can also just go by feel. For example, I grow CBD buds that are about 10% (lab tested), and I blend using the grinder with THC buds that I haven't had tested.

 

[CBDMed]

It works 100% for smoking or vaping buds. That's what I was referring to, and I think Azi, too.

Whether buds or extract, the only way to know how much THC or CBD is to have it tested by a lab.

But you can also just go by feel. For example, I grow CBD buds that are about 10% (lab tested), and I blend using the grinder with THC buds that I haven't had tested.

Hahaha, whatever is in the bag, I vape it. And if I need more CBD, I vape some more haha

 

[CBDMed]

Hey El @Cide Hamete Benengeli ,
Is the rainfly space on the left any better?

My new breeder friend said we can talk seeds and such the next time we meet (maybe next week?).

 

[CBDMed]

Hola! Haha.
I had a nice Whatsapp with my new friend who gave me the blueberry-sativa cross buds. He is a professor of agricultural engineering at the local university. He wants to come out and look at my garden, and also show me how Colombians max out what is easy and free (haha).
He says he plants directly in soil, he just chooses the best location.
He is supposed to come out in three weeks.
I thought it might be nice to have some fresh harvest to share.
This is the biggest of the batch of Auto Blue Ace (nominal 2:1 CBD:THC) that did not get very big. (One branchlet also got busted.) I thought I should harvest it and let it dry enough to make a nice powwow, and some party favors.

I don't think she is quite finished, and I would like to let her keep going as long as possible.
EDIT: * I have been told * (end edit) that CBD is higher if you harvest early, and I am not sure where she is, but she doesn't look finished to me.

What is the least amount of time to get nice fresh just-dry buds if I just cut her, wash, and hang in front of a gentle fan?
Like, maybe put her two days in front of the fan, and then 2-3 days on a plate, and then check and see if she can go in a cardboard box (compare at a paper bag)?
Or is that way off?
I just want to be able to smoke or vape easily when they come here, so we have a good session.
I also thought if I pluck her, I can use the SIP for a photoperiod, now that I have a paragua, a greenhouse, and a bloom room for two going in.
It's 120cm x 220cm (almost 4' x 8').
I am just guessing that is big enough for two non-mold-resistant SIP photoperiods (and the mold-resistant photos can go into the greenhouse on the roof--and the local Sativas can live under the rain fly).
I've got more questions, but I just hit the wall, and I've got to get some sleep.
Thanks.

 

[cbdhemp808]

I also know that CBD is higher if you harvest early, and I am not sure where she is, but she doesn't look finished to me.

As far as I know, that's not true. If you want max THC and CBD, go for full ripe.