Colombian Andes Greenhouse SIP CBD Auto Grow

[CBDMed]

It looks like it has a bit of slope so that should make a big difference once the supports are all on and the sheeting is tight.

I did! I noticed the entire thing is constructed with tape.

Hahaha, this is my first time working together (they say, "collaborating") with him!
He bolted the bamboo supports to the wall.
Then he drilled and tie-wired everything together with a twisted-pair of tie-wires (which I think is standard here).
It is strong, but he wanted to wrap it, to "finish" the loose ends with tape-wrap!
(I think he is trying to give me a deluxe "Farmer Juan" job. )

 

[Azimuth]

I personally believe it will work for a year until we get to the property. And if not, we will do Azi's rainwater catchment.

You could still totally tap into the downspout and store some rainwater in 55 gal drums. Have to make sure the roof was rated enough to carry the weight, though.

I noticed the entire thing is constructed with tape.

Yeah, but not duct tape. What's up with that?!?

 

[CBDMed]

You could still totally tap into the downspout and store some rainwater in 55 gal drums. Have to make sure the roof was rated enough to carry the weight, though.

Yeah. I think this roof can handle it.
I should have said, he specifically sized it so that I would have the supports under the black trash cans (heat sinks).
If there is any kind of pooling on the downside, I can totally get with rainwater catchment!! It will be a pleasure.

Yeah, but not duct tape. What's up with that?!?

Hahahaha!! He is a Latino, not a gringo!! They don't have central heating ducts here!
(In fact they look at it as a major luxury that I am HEATING the house! !!

 

[CBDMed]

Hey, @Azimuth , could I please verify the FAA formulas?

"If you go the [KNF] sugar route the formula is equal parts fish and brown sugar by weight, mixed thoroughly so the fish is well coated with the sugar, a small amount of microbes (leaf mold, castings, LAB, etc) and that's it. No water. Cover and let sit for 6 months or so. You can actually start using it sooner (like a month or two in) but it gets better with age. That's the KNF version. 1:1,000 dilution.

The Jadam version is the 2:1 water:fish, a bit of microbes, cover and let sit. 1:100 minimum dilution.

And if you are getting whole fish throw in the heads, tails, fins, bones, guts. Everything. Although I assume you'll eat the filets.


You assume correctly about the filets!
Only, for the Jadam 2:1 water:fish, where did I get 1:25 dilution?
(Is that the "maximum strength" dilution, and 1:100 is the "minimum strength" dilution??)
Thanks!

 

[Azimuth]

Hey, @Azimuth , could I please verify the FAA formulas?

"If you go the [KNF] sugar route the formula is equal parts fish and brown sugar by weight, mixed thoroughly so the fish is well coated with the sugar, a small amount of microbes (leaf mold, castings, LAB, etc) and that's it. No water. Cover and let sit for 6 months or so. You can actually start using it sooner (like a month or two in) but it gets better with age. That's the KNF version. 1:1,000 dilution.

The Jadam version is the 2:1 water:fish, a bit of microbes, cover and let sit. 1:100 minimum dilution.

And if you are getting whole fish throw in the heads, tails, fins, bones, guts. Everything. Although I assume you'll eat the filets.

That is an excellent recap of the two processes. In fact, I couldn't have said it any better myself.

Only, for the Jadam 2:1 water:fish, where did I get 1:25 dilution?
(Is that the "maximum strength" dilution, and 1:100 is the "minimum strength" dilution??)
Thanks!

Most of the plant based Jadam extracts are a minimum of 1:25 dilution into water for feeding your plants. The fish is so much stronger that it needs to be diluted more so 1:100 minimum dilution.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Maybe I missed something, but how are you going to resolve this? You've got a bamboo cross member at the low end of the roof, and water is pooling in the plastic. If you had no cross member, and the tarp was tight enough, the pooling wouldn't happen. As this is currently built, you've got two things working against each other: 1) the need to tighten the plastic and fasten it to the frame, 2) the need to catch and drain the water. I'm concerned you will not be able to tighten the plastic enough laterally. If any water begins to pool, and you have a strong enough rain, the pool will grow because of its weight, stretching the plastic, and then the feedback loop could end in disaster – water is very heavy (8.3 lb per gal). When these situations happen (i.e. design failure), if you catch it soon enough, you can poke a hole in the bottom of the pool to let it drain.

Compare to the below design... Each rafter is supported at the low end by a vertical member. There's no cross member at the low end, hence water flows freely. Note, you could potentially put a gutter on this design, especially if there was an overhang.

 

[CBDMed]

That is an excellent recap of the two processes. In fact, I couldn't have said it any better myself.

Hahaha, that was copy-paste (your words)!

Most of the plant based Jadam extracts are a minimum of 1:25 dilution into water for feeding your plants. The fish is so much stronger that it needs to be diluted more so 1:100 minimum dilution.

This?

KNF Sugar Fish (FAA):
Equal parts fish guts and brown sugar by weight.
Add one teaspoon of worm castings or leaf mold, and mix thoroughly.
Pack into a glass jar up to ½ full. (Do NOT add water!)
Put a 5cm (2 inch) cap of brown sugar over the top.
Cover lightly (leave the lid slightly loose, so pressure leaks out).
Place in a shady area (no direct sun) for 6 months. (You CAN use it after two months, but it gets better with age.)
Dilute 1:1000 with water. Supplies nitrogen.

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JADAM 2:1 Water:Fish
Place 1 part fish guts in a jar.
Add 1 tsp worm castings or leaf mold.
Cover with 2 parts water.
Let age one month minimum (three months is better).
1:100 dilution, supplies nitrogen.

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[Azimuth]

This?

Not sure what you're asking here.

JADAM 2:1 Water:Fish
Place 1 part fish guts in a jar.
Add 1 tsp worm castings or leaf mold.
Cover with 2 parts water.
Let age one month minimum (three months is better).
1:100 dilution, supplies nitrogen.

And 12 months is better still. I'm not sure how good it would be after only one month. Would probably depend on how processed the initial fish was. Whole fish? Probably not great. Fish run through a blender? Probably much better, at least at the on month mark.

 

[CBDMed]

Maybe I missed something,

You might have. Sometimes posts cross.
I answered these before, but I appreciate your help very much, so here are the summaries again.

but how are you going to resolve this? You've got a bamboo cross member at the low end of the roof, and water is pooling in the plastic.

Yes, sorry if I was not clear enough!
The father-son team is coming tomorrow to finish the greenhouse. (It is NOT finished yet!)
They plan to stretch the plastic, and attach it to the frame so that it will hypothetically drain into the gutter.
If it still pools after that (which it may), I plan to poke holes in the plastic, and have rainwater catchment under the pools, inside the greenhouse.
(WIth SIPs I am sure I will need lots of de-chlorinated water! )

If you had no cross member, and the tarp was tight enough, the pooling wouldn't happen.

Right!
I think the issue is that in this particular location, we have to have a water channel, to make the water go down the drain tube (by community policy).
When we get to the property we can make greenhouses without the water channel.
I think he tried to copycat valley greenhouses, and then tried to adapt with a water channel.
If it pools, I will poke holes in the plastic and enjoy the rainwater!

As this is currently built, you've got two things working against each other: 1) the need to tighten the plastic and fasten it to the frame,

Should happen tomorrow, Father willing.

2) the need to catch and drain the water.

Yes.
As mentioned, that is why he is putting a rainwater channel on the outside of the structure, is to make the water go down the drain pipe, in accordance with community policy. .

I'm concerned you will not be able to tighten the plastic enough laterally. If any water begins to pool, and you have a strong enough rain, the pool will grow because of its weight, stretching the plastic, and then the feedback loop could end in disaster – water is very heavy (8.3 lb per gal). When these situations happen (i.e. design failure), if you catch it soon enough, you can poke a hole in the bottom of the pool to let it drain.

Yes, if he comes and goes and it still pools, I will be 100% fine with placing a rainwater catch-basin under any pools in the tarp, and using the rainwater in the SIPs, since this is only a temporary (planned one year) structure.

Compare to the below design... Each rafter is supported at the low end by a vertical member. There's no cross member at the low end, hence water flows freely. Note, you could potentially put a gutter on this design, especially if there was an overhang.

Thank you!
I will be sure to mention it to him.

 

[CBDMed]

Not sure what you're asking here.

Oh, sorry!
Does this seem like an accurate summation?
(If so we will translate to Spanish, and tape the instructions to the side of the gift-bottle, so they can reload it.)

KNF Sugar Fish (FAA):
Equal parts fish guts and brown sugar by weight.
Add one teaspoon of worm castings or leaf mold, and mix thoroughly.
Pack into a glass jar up to ½ full. (Do NOT add water!)
Put a 5cm (2 inch) cap of brown sugar over the top.
Cover lightly (leave the lid slightly loose, so pressure leaks out).
Place in a shady area (no direct sun) for 6 months. (You CAN use it after two months, but it gets better with age.)
Dilute 1:1000 with water. Supplies nitrogen.

And 12 months is better still. I'm not sure how good it would be after only one month. Would probably depend on how processed the initial fish was. Whole fish? Probably not great. Fish run through a blender? Probably much better, at least at the on month mark.

Ummm, ok, thanks!
So then, how would you amend this text?
And how long would YOU put for aging the water-fish?

JADAM 2:1 Water:Fish
Place 1 part fish guts in a jar.
Add 1 tsp worm castings or leaf mold.
Cover with 2 parts water.
Let age one month minimum (but the longer, the better).
Dilute 1:100 with water. Supplies nitrogen (N) for growth.

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[Azimuth]

If When it pools, I will poke holes in the plastic and enjoy the rainwater!

FTFY.

That cross member at the bottom of the panel just about guarantees that pooling will happen so you might as well get your barrels prepped. There's no way that I can see that the plastic will be able to be stretched tight enough, and  stay stretched tight enough, to keep the rain from pooling at the bottom of that part.

I guess the size of the hole you'll need will depend on how much and how fast the rain comes. And I guess probably wait for the first rain to see where you'll need to put the holes.

 

[Azimuth]

Oh, sorry!
Does this seem like an accurate summation?
(If so we will translate to Spanish, and tape the instructions to the side of the gift-bottle, so they can reload it.)

KNF Sugar Fish (FAA):
Equal parts fish guts and brown sugar by weight.
Add one teaspoon of worm castings or leaf mold, and mix thoroughly.
Pack into a glass jar up to ½ full. (Do NOT add water!)
Put a 5cm (2 inch) cap of brown sugar over the top.
Cover lightly (leave the lid slightly loose, so pressure leaks out).
Place in a shady area (no direct sun) for 6 months. (You CAN use it after two months, but it gets better with age.)
Dilute 1:1000 with water. Supplies nitrogen.



Ummm, ok, thanks!
So then, how would you amend this text?
And how long would YOU put for aging the water-fish?

JADAM 2:1 Water:Fish
Place 1 part fish guts in a jar.
Add 1 tsp worm castings or leaf mold.
Cover with 2 parts water.
Let age one month minimum (but the longer, the better).
Dilute 1:100 with water. Supplies nitrogen (N) for growth.

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Those descriptions look good. For the sugar version you can go 2/3rd's full rather than just a half.

And you're really going to put fish "guts" on a gift bottle?

And the other comment I would make is that while fish does provide high N, it also is high in most other things as well, including P, K, Ca, Mg, Fe, S, Si, Cl, etc., so it's easy to get carried away and burn your plants. Powerful stuff.

 

[CBDMed]

FTFY.

That cross member at the bottom of the panel just about guarantees that pooling will happen so you might as well get your barrels prepped.

Ok! I'm ready! I just don't have time to build it myself, and I just need something to get me by for a year.
The next time we build one, I would prefer to build it WITHOUT a water channel, and just let the bottom edge hang free.
However, due to the community regulations, I need a water channel for right now. And I am totally good with putting a hole and using rainwater catchment. (It will be a nice experiment. We have been talking about rainwater catchment, so this is a perfect time!)

There's no way that I can see that the plastic will be able to be stretched tight enough, and  stay stretched tight enough, to keep the rain from pooling at the bottom of that part.

I guess the size of the hole you'll need will depend on how much and how fast the rain comes. And I guess probably wait for the first rain to see where you'll need to put the holes.

Thank you!!

 

[cbdhemp808]

Yes, sorry if I was not clear enough!
The father-son team is coming tomorrow to finish the greenhouse. (It is NOT finished yet!)
They plan to stretch the plastic, and attach it to the frame so that it will hypothetically drain into the gutter.
If it still pools after that (which it may), I plan to poke holes in the plastic, and have rainwater catchment under the pools, inside the greenhouse.

I will be sure to mention it to him.

 

[Bill284]

Hey, @Bill284 ! Thanks for sharing the pics!
I think @cbdhemp808 's point is my roof could use some more slope.
(We'll get it on the next one.)

Nice garden!
Those must be your coco-layer girls!
Did you ever hear of coco-pine mix? (And is it just to save cost??)

Never heard of coco pine mix.
I ran soil and coco in the greenhouse.
Not sure what you mean about saving costs?




#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284

 

[CBDMed]

Never heard of coco pine mix.
I ran soil and coco in the greenhouse.
Not sure what you mean about saving costs?

#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284

Ah, ok, thanks!
I just meant, if coco coir is the bomb, then do they cut / mix the coco coir 50-50 with pine bark to save costs? (Meaning, it is a cheaper substrate?)
But I guess I can ask him when I see him.
I hope you and your family are all doing well.
I am still praying for @Buds Buddy . I hope he is doing as well as the circumstances allow.

 

[Bill284]

Ah, ok, thanks!
I just meant, if coco coir is the bomb, then do they cut / mix the coco coir 50-50 with pine bark to save costs? (Meaning, it is a cheaper substrate?)
But I guess I can ask him when I see him.
I hope you and your family are all doing well.
I am still praying for @Buds Buddy . I hope he is doing as well as the circumstances allow.

I prefer Canna Coco.
Just coco and perlite.
No pine.
As that would mess the ph up.




#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284

 

[CBDMed]

FTFY.

That cross member at the bottom of the panel just about guarantees that pooling will happen so you might as well get your barrels prepped. There's no way that I can see that the plastic will be able to be stretched tight enough, and  stay stretched tight enough, to keep the rain from pooling at the bottom of that part.

I guess the size of the hole you'll need will depend on how much and how fast the rain comes. And I guess probably wait for the first rain to see where you'll need to put the holes.

They stretched it tight yesterday, and it rained last night, and there was no pooling.
I think it is just a matter of time, but there is no pooling now.
The thing is way more solid than I thought it would be!
Not to bad for $120.00...

And I have my 10G rain barrels ready!! Hahaha!!

 

[CBDMed]

Those descriptions look good. For the sugar version you can go 2/3rd's full rather than just a half.

Great!!
Ok, I put 1/2 because I had some that had more liquid than others, and it dissolved the sugar cap, so I had to add more brown sugar.
So I thought to say 1/2, so there is plenty of room to add more sugar, for the cap.

And you're really going to put fish "guts" on a gift bottle?

My constructor loves it. He and his son were very impressed! (And I hope they tell everyone in the valley...)
It is a very "Latin America" style of gift--it cost very little, but helps a lot!
Really what it is, is instructions for the wise on how to make organic fertilizer, because with the economy going the way it is going, they no longer have money to buy chemical ferts.
So really what it is, is life for those who are willing to listen.

And the other comment I would make is that while fish does provide high N, it also is high in most other things as well, including P, K, Ca, Mg, Fe, S, Si, Cl, etc., so it's easy to get carried away and burn your plants. Powerful stuff.

That is very good to know!!!!
Thank you!!

 

[CBDMed]

I prefer Canna Coco.
Just coco and perlite.
No pine.
As that would mess the ph up.




#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284

Ok, good to know. Thanks, @Bill284 !
Yes, I think it is a lower pH.
Substrates really are limited here.
I will see how he does it. Maybe he mixes it with something alkaline??
But I would think that if ALL the components are pH neutral (or close to pH neutral) it would be a lot easier on the plant, than having to deal with a "balance" of components that are "far" from pH neutral...