Thanks!!!Sorry, I forgot to include the pictures of the Massive front and back labels. Here they are, zoomed in so you can read them.
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Thanks!!!Sorry, I forgot to include the pictures of the Massive front and back labels. Here they are, zoomed in so you can read them.
They do seem to be loving the conditions. Remember too that in about a week I am going to increase the DLI some more, running 13.5/10.5 to see how they handle that, and also to see if the next batch will initiate flowering with that much of an extended daylight period.Loving all the pistils at day 9 and 11!!! Mine are day 6 and have just a few shooting out.
Sorry, I forgot to include the pictures of the Massive front and back labels. Here they are, zoomed in so you can read them.
I didn't realize you had left! Welcome back though, and know that the door is always open. Mi casa es su casa.Hi @Emilya ! Is it ok if I rejoin your thread?
Sorry, I have not had time to catch up on the whole thing, but I wanted to check out your seedling technique ('cuz everyone around here seems to think your techniques are are best).
May I please crash your party?
I bought GeoFlora Grow and Bloom, and was glad that they are organic.
I apologize, I read the last 4-5 pages quickly, late at night, to catch up to here, so I am sorry if this question has already been asked.
Is this Massive organic?
Sorry if this has already been answered!
@Timhomegrow continued because I checked their site to be sure: Massive Bloom Formulation
"Add Massive at a rate of 5 ml/L (19 ml/Gal) to your nutrient reservoir for the duration of the flowering cycle."
Hope this helps!
Yes, I put a teaspoon full down in there about halfway down. Just a little surprise for those roots that are paying attention. I have been known to put supersoil in the bottom third of every container I built. Before @GeoFlora Nutrients, this was necessary to be sure to have the nutrition in there that was needed for the entire grow, and I enjoyed knowing that in a plant that had been uppotted twice, there were now 3 pockets of supersoil in there for the plant to find. Now all of my original supersoil has been mixed in with the base soil, so I have bought some store bought supersoil to put in the bottoms, but on the next few grows I am not. I want to see the difference, and so far I am not seeing any adverse responses to this downgrade of my soil quality. I think from now on, I will save the supersoil for supersoil grows... not Geoflora grows.Thanks, amiga! Muy amable! (But does this mean I can stop by and borrow a cup of CBD oil until you help me bring in my crop, so I can pay you back? Haha. JUST KIDDING!)
Thanks a zillion for all of your hard work and advice. I love following this thread, but sometimes things get too busy, and I have to drop all-but-essentials for a while.
But it's great to be back! I am very hopeful that the workload will be a little bit less from here on out, so I can keep up from now on.
Thanks for letting me know your new seed technique. I will try that.
Did you say you are putting GeoFlora Veg three inches down in your Solo cups?
How much are you putting there?
And would you ever put maybe a half an inch of supersoil in your Solo cups? Or not ever put a half inch of supersoil in your Solo cups?
(I ordered the GeoFlora, but it may take a couple of months to get here...)
I understand that some things ARE organic, but just cannot be labeled that way. (So perhaps I should ask the rep directly?)
I am excited to be back on your thread!
I'd have a hard time just keeping up with the widgets!!! Lol.Yes, I put a teaspoon full down in there about halfway down. Just a little surprise for those roots that are paying attention. I have been known to put supersoil in the bottom third of every container I built. Before @GeoFlora Nutrients, this was necessary to be sure to have the nutrition in there that was needed for the entire grow, and I enjoyed knowing that in a plant that had been uppotted twice, there were now 3 pockets of supersoil in there for the plant to find. Now all of my original supersoil has been mixed in with the base soil, so I have bought some store bought supersoil to put in the bottoms, but on the next few grows I am not. I want to see the difference, and so far I am not seeing any adverse responses to this downgrade of my soil quality. I think from now on, I will save the supersoil for supersoil grows... not Geoflora grows.
I have had to add widgets and a new screen to my device in order to keep track of all I have going on here. I am caught up except for a possible watering in bloom. Things are getting way more complicated than a semi stoned mind can keep track of.
You know I'm a big fan of rings, those are sweet! Love the MST. And wow, you're not kidding, those are going to be some low canopies, especially for the plants I've seen you grow to this point. That's how I did the GTH, Hulkberry, Slurricane grow, and it worked out very well. Gotta love a low canopy and short but very productive plants. It's so easy to work with smaller plants. I'm working my ass off on the too tall monsters in the tent, yearning for the days when I could look down on my plants!Evening Update:
Veg Room #1 simply got a rotating of the drip trays this evening. Some are already getting light here on Day 3 after watering, but I am going to make them wait till tomorrow. Whenever you are in doubt about doing something, wait a day, and then re-evaluate.
Veg Room #2
These girls got splayed out even wider, and they also got a trim of all those mid level fan leaves that were getting in the way of buds that are now exposed in the middle... about 12 of them on each plant. The plants are all flattened out, almost Uncle Ben style, just by the use of aggressive LST, lets call it Medium Stress Training... MST, after that first and only chop. Look at how flat and short this canopy is going to be. These girls are all going to have to sit up on something in the bloom room.
I didn't even go in the bloom room. They are fine. I am being lazy. They can go till morning before I water them, and I think that since I now have the Advanced Feeding components in place, I am going to be ready at their daybreak, at 6am, to give them a very special watering that they will start uptaking as soon as the water hits the soil. We should quickly get an idea what they think of Massive Bloom and Terpinator along with their 10th day of Geoflora.
Here are the leaves that I trimmed off that were either dying under the canopy or were on top of buds in the middle that I want to see develop.
and here are some shots of the girls, splayed out about as far as we are going to get. Note that there is an outer ring and the inner growth that is about to move upward. These are going to be some beautiful high weight bearing plants.
Yes, sorry about that... that picture wasn't intended for this update. I did post the picture in the Auto thread.You know I'm a big fan of rings, those are sweet! Love the MST. And wow, you're not kidding, those are going to be some low canopies, especially for the plants I've seen you grow to this point. That's how I did the GTH, Hulkberry, Slurricane grow, and it worked out very well. Gotta love a low canopy and short but very productive plants. It's so easy to work with smaller plants. I'm working my ass off on the too tall monsters in the tent, yearning for the days when I could look down on my plants!
Is that sprout in the last picture the Banana Sherbet auto with a bit of seed coat still attached to the one coty?
is this organic? no?Sorry, I forgot to include the pictures of the Massive front and back labels. Here they are, zoomed in so you can read them.
OK, so here we need to define what is meant by organic in an organic grow. Organic doesn't necessarily mean, natural. When we speak of organic as related to a grow, it is what will promote or hinder the organic feeding cycle. If a plant happens to naturally take up 2 other forms of nitrogen along with another being supplied by the microbes, does it mean it is not an organic grow? Phosphate and potash are natural and can be directly absorbed by the roots and the fungi will help with the phosphate, so again, organic feeding is happening. Yes, there is chelated iron in the mix, that presumably becomes mobile when in the correct pH range (EDTA) and the microbes will gobble that up...is this organic? no?
@GeoFlora Nutrients this cant be organic right? i’m not a chemist but there is a lot of chemical salts in the ingredients list.
I keep it simple. If I use Sohum and use no additives, it's an organic grow. If I use FF soil and GeoFlora with no additives it's an organic grow. The moment I stray from that it becomes something slightly "less" or "different" than organic. I call it "mostly organic." Lmao.OK, so here we need to define what is meant by organic in an organic grow. Organic doesn't necessarily mean, natural. When we speak of organic as related to a grow, it is what will promote or hinder the organic feeding cycle. If a plant is happens to naturally take up 2 other forms of nitrogen along with another being supplied by the microbes, does it mean it is not an organic grow? Phosphate and potash are natural and can be directly absorbed by the roots and the fungi will help with the phosphate, so again, organic feeding is happening. Yes, there is chelated iron in the mix, that presumably becomes mobile when in the correct pH range (EDTA) and the microbes will gobble that up...
So this does seem to be a mix of conventional feeding as well as some synthetic feeding going on here, working together. So I too am curious... does using these additives make this something other than an organic grow, or is it a hybrid, or can it still be justified as being organic? I wait for the scientists at Geoflora to explain it to us.
Same with the Terpinator... is this just extra K for the microbes to process, or are we feeding this directly to the plants, and would that make it other than a strictly organic grow? My head is spinning... where are the white lab coat guys when you need them?
The one thing I have done a bunch with success as we've discussed before is using the very much NON organic Fox Farms Cha Ching in flower as a once or twice used additive on top of a GeoFlora grow. That one seems to work for whatever reasons. But I won't label my jars as organic once I use that stuff.I keep it simple. If I use Sohum and use no additives, it's an organic grow. If I use FF soil and GeoFlora with no additives it's an organic grow. The moment I stray from that it becomes something slightly "less" or "different" than organic. I call it "mostly organic." Lmao.
OK, so here we need to define what is meant by organic in an organic grow. Organic doesn't necessarily mean, natural. When we speak of organic as related to a grow, it is what will promote or hinder the organic feeding cycle. If a plant is happens to naturally take up 2 other forms of nitrogen along with another being supplied by the microbes, does it mean it is not an organic grow? Phosphate and potash are natural and can be directly absorbed by the roots and the fungi will help with the phosphate, so again, organic feeding is happening. Yes, there is chelated iron in the mix, that presumably becomes mobile when in the correct pH range (EDTA) and the microbes will gobble that up...
So this does seem to be a mix of conventional feeding as well as some synthetic feeding going on here, working together. So I too am curious... does using these additives make this something other than an organic grow, or is it a hybrid, or can it still be justified as being organic? I wait for the scientists at Geoflora to explain it to us.
Same with the Terpinator... is this just extra K for the microbes to process, or are we feeding this directly to the plants, and would that make it other than a strictly organic grow? My head is spinning... where are the white lab coat guys when you need them?
... where are the white lab coat guys when you need them?