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CBD BudMan Outdoor Grow: Table Mountain Sativa Company & Seedsman - 2024
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Garden Update:
Yesterday was 111ºf in "my neck of the woods" and today is 110ºf as I write this. Monday morning, I gave all my girls plenty of water, about 12 gal each, and I made sure I gave Wild Lady double the water the others got, 25 gal, because of that extra large area of mulch at her feet. Then on Wed I discovered that I have a large infestation of black scale... so I gave everybody 5 gal of water with @Sierra Natural Science "Systemica™" to kill those guys dead. All this time, Wild Lady has been all perky and doing real good... until today.
I've checked and double checked, the ground beneath the mulch is very cool, with plenty of moisture... more so than any of the others that are all in full sunlight at their feet and are doing just fine, but my Wild Lady is all droopy today. So now, I'm just gonna give her all the extra water she "seems" to need to keep her from drooping, and hope that her roots don't rot or some other prob.
This can't be normal... right?!!!
Yesterday was 111ºf in "my neck of the woods" and today is 110ºf as I write this. Monday morning, I gave all my girls plenty of water, about 12 gal each, and I made sure I gave Wild Lady double the water the others got, 25 gal, because of that extra large area of mulch at her feet. Then on Wed I discovered that I have a large infestation of black scale... so I gave everybody 5 gal of water with @Sierra Natural Science "Systemica™" to kill those guys dead. All this time, Wild Lady has been all perky and doing real good... until today.
I've checked and double checked, the ground beneath the mulch is very cool, with plenty of moisture... more so than any of the others that are all in full sunlight at their feet and are doing just fine, but my Wild Lady is all droopy today. So now, I'm just gonna give her all the extra water she "seems" to need to keep her from drooping, and hope that her roots don't rot or some other prob.
This can't be normal... right?!!!
It hit 99º here today on the west side of Los Angeles, so I hope it's not normal! I've been misting the cloth pots every couple of hours to try to keep the rootball a bit cooler.
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Yes, it's been a hot one this year. That being said, I was referring to my Wild Lady and her predilection to drooping. My assumption is this is not normal, so something must be wrong... somewhere.
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Gee64
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Usually, when plants wilt on an excessively hot day, even when they are properly watered, it's because they are transpiring faster than the roots can intake water. This can raise a plants internal temperature causing early signs of heat stress.Yes, it's been a hot one this year. That being said, I was referring to my Wild Lady and her predilection to drooping. My assumption is this is not normal, so something must be wrong... somewhere.
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My experience, living in a desert, is that it mostly occurs when the roots get too hot causing heat stress in the plant. I see it in pots but I also see it in sunflowers planted in the ground. Cover crops help the sunflowers out and for my potted plants I hide the pots behind things that block the sun. Hot soil is one thing, but when the water in the soil gets hot before it even enters the plant it transpires really quickly, like steam from a kettle compared to a pot of cold water.
It could be a root issue, but it could also be too much foliage for the size of the rootball. Usually a root issue will show in the leaves so I doubt it's that. It looks like heat stress to me. Have you tried creating shade for her in the hottest part of the day?
Also, I've been told that spraying a plant down will greatly reduce transpiration, which makes sense, but have always been worried about spraying water on a plant in the blazing sun so have never tried. Personally I can't recommend it, but scientifically it makes sense.
I find shading the roots works so I go with that.
Do you have a probe thermometer for compost that you could jab into her soil to compare it's temp to the rest of your plants soil temps?
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CBD BudMan
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Hey there @Gee64
,Yes, I agree in general with everything you've stated here. The head scratcher for me is that this strain is "supposed to be" far more heat tolerant than what she's demonstrating. And to just blindly water her 3 or 4 times more often than the RVDV, Durban Poison, and even the Purple Haze, just seems to ignore what might be really going on... to me anyway.
The soil at her roots is moist and cool, even at 2 in the afternoon, and yet she's droopy if I don't water her even more. And when I do, she does respond favorably... it's just that I've always been wary of causing problems related to over watering. Especially considering the fact that ALL the other strains in my garden this year are not experiencing this... at all!
My main point here is: I wish I knew exactly what's going on, so I can be assured everything's fine, or take corrective measures, accordingly. It's the "I don't know" that's bugging the hell out of me!!! That's all.
Sorry for the rant,
I Love My Girls...
Gee64
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I hear ya, it bugs me too and they aren't even my plantsHey there @Gee64
Yes, I agree in general with everything you've stated here. The head scratcher for me is that this strain is "supposed to be" far more heat tolerant than what she's demonstrating. And to just blindly water her 3 or 4 times more often than the RVDV, Durban Poison, and even the Purple Haze, just seems to ignore what might be really going on... to me anyway.
The soil at her roots is moist and cool, even at 2 in the afternoon, and yet she's droopy if I don't water her even more. And when I do, she does respond favorably... it's just that I've always been wary of causing problems related to over watering. Especially considering the fact that ALL the other strains in my garden this year are not experiencing this... at all!
My main point here is: I wish I knew exactly what's going on, so I can be assured everything's fine, or take corrective measures, accordingly. It's the "I don't know" that's bugging the hell out of me!!! That's all.
Sorry for the rant,
I Love My Girls...
One day under a shade cloth might answer the question.
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CBD BudMan
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Yeah well, it's a bit late for that now as she is taller than the frame I have to hold the 40% shade cloth I've been using for years... even after the FIM and then the heavy topping much later.
FYI, the reason I didn't have this shade cloth up in the 1st place is, I was under the impression that these cultivars from @Table Mountain Sativa Co didn't actually need any shade to keep them cool, as they were well acclimated to hot climates. I mean, even the Purple Haze is literally unfazed by the heat this season.
I'm hoping we're now passed the hottest part of the season and that this will no longer be an issue...
I Love My Girls...
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CBD BudMan
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Garden Update:
Because of 7 weeks of neglect, things aren't quite up to par... but I'm now feeding properly (I hope) and I thought I'd share some pics with everyone:
Anyone have any thoughts on maturity of trichs of the Purple Haze? I'm only seeing one or two amber trichs here and there... in some places there's plenty of clear and other places plenty of milky.
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Because of 7 weeks of neglect, things aren't quite up to par... but I'm now feeding properly (I hope) and I thought I'd share some pics with everyone:
Anyone have any thoughts on maturity of trichs of the Purple Haze? I'm only seeing one or two amber trichs here and there... in some places there's plenty of clear and other places plenty of milky.
I Love My Girls...
I'm only seeing sugar leaves in those pics and I'm barely seeing any amber, so I'd say you've got two weeks easy.
Also, I never use amber as a gauge to harvest outside since the sun will make trichomes amber having nothing to do with ripeness. I usually wait until they've really slowed down in drinking and the smell makes a distinct change in direction.
Also, I never use amber as a gauge to harvest outside since the sun will make trichomes amber having nothing to do with ripeness. I usually wait until they've really slowed down in drinking and the smell makes a distinct change in direction.
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CBD BudMan
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Thank you @InTheShed ,
This really helps! I agree with you on this. She's "in the ground" so this may make it more difficult to gage if she's drinking less, but the sun and the smell are always good indicators. This helps my confidence in what I'm seeing in my garden. Again...
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P.S. I'll have to work on getting better pics of the buds, not just the "sugar leaves."
,This really helps! I agree with you on this. She's "in the ground" so this may make it more difficult to gage if she's drinking less, but the sun and the smell are always good indicators. This helps my confidence in what I'm seeing in my garden. Again...
I Love My Girls...
P.S. I'll have to work on getting better pics of the buds, not just the "sugar leaves."
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CBD BudMan
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Flowering Update:
My Purple Haze is getting much closer to that beloved harvest time, take a look-see:
And this is the very same pic, I just cropped it to get a tighter shot:
I'm thinking I might wait a little longer before I give her the chop. What do you think?
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My Purple Haze is getting much closer to that beloved harvest time, take a look-see:
And this is the very same pic, I just cropped it to get a tighter shot:
I'm thinking I might wait a little longer before I give her the chop. What do you think?
I Love My Girls...
Long time no see and that's one frosty bud!
How long do you have before the weather becomes a factor? Have you taken any testers to see how it hits?
How long do you have before the weather becomes a factor? Have you taken any testers to see how it hits?
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Thank you...
And yes it sure is! Did you notice the purple in the stems of the trichomes? I love it! 
For my Purple Haze? Not a factor at all... I mean, we're having triple digit heat ALL week long. Sounds like you may be about to suggest to wait a spell longer?
No I haven't. I've never really done that much. Is that a good practice before harvest?
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More Purple Haze Flower Pics:
As I was tending my garden this morning I took a couple more pics and couldn't resist posting them:
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As I was tending my garden this morning I took a couple more pics and couldn't resist posting them:
I'm only seeing a touch of amber and that's on the sugar leaves, so I think there's time left.
Doesn't hurt to get an idea of where the plant is ripeness-wise as you get closer to harvest, especially for outdoor grows.
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This was my assessment as well... it's nice to have the validation...
So, is there a "best practices" approach to this? I've seen guys try to quick-dry a bud in an oven, with a hair dryer, in the microwave etc., all of which are bad in my way of thinking. But, like I've said before, I haven't don'e much of this "early sampling", so I'm sure I'm off somewhere.
Currently, my thinking is: because I use a dry herb vaporizer, maybe I can just pinch off a piece of [the fresh] bud and stick it in the bowl of my vaporizer and go for it. No?
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Try the vaporizer the other way taste like shit. 
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CBD BudMan
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Try the vaporizer the other way taste like shit.
All kidding aside, I'd just get some fresh bud in my teeth if I did that. Oh, and by the way, have you ever eaten fresh bud? Mighty tasty indeed. Try it!
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