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I have a question for @InTheShed or anyone else who has the knowledge. I have been trying for a year to source monosilisic acid. We can't get it locally yet. I am able to buy orthosilicic acid from a hydro shop and it is said that orthosilicic acid converts to monosilicic acid in water. Is that correct? Can I use the othrosilicic acid instead? Also, is it possible to introduce the monosilicic acid in this way to my organic grow, or will it mess with that? I'm assuming it's fine but I don't want to take any chances. I just got a fright seeing that mixing with water can be hazardous if not done correctly.
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Carmen Ray said:
orthosilicic acid converts to monosilicic acid in water
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I googled that and found this, but on a sales website for what it's worth:

Is orthosilicic acid the same as monosilicic acid?
Plants can only absorb silicon as monosilicic acid (individual molecules). Orthosilicic acid is the stabilized form that transforms into monosilicic acid when mixed in water. Silicon chemistry is quite tricky so purity of ingredients and manufacturing quality are necessary to get a stable and effective product to you.

And also this:
 
The second link is all about the potential benefits of this form of silicate for a marginal gain in hydro. (Hydro qualification is above this section)

So if silicon from potassium silicate can show benefits why may we need a better form of silicon? The problem with silicates is that under low pH values the silicate ion gets protonated and converted into silicic acid but silicic acid is unstable and will tend to polymerize and form molecules with limited bioavailability under these conditions. If we use a form of silicon that does not suffer from this problem then we might be able to get some additional benefits.
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The critical thing seems to be low like 5.4 Ph (That is a funky part of my favourite graph - but not all bad bad) in hydro.

You’re in soil and presumably Ph insentive, buffered? Marginal gains in hydro I don’t aee benefit to for this grow?

  • Potassium Silicate - Commonly used on crops like wheat, barley, sugarcane, and grapes. It is primarily used to prevent fungal growth.
  • Silicon Dioxide - Referred to as Silica, it’s known for allowing for thicker stems, strong resistance to fungal and bacterial diseases, and enhancing the overall growth and yield of any crops.
  • Mono Silicic Acid - The crème de la crème of silicates, this is the only form of silicate that is bioavailable, providing all the benefits provided by silicates at a far quicker and more efficient rate.
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Silicon Dioxide! The middle one. Easy. Only not the potassium because it is the least gluten free thing in the world 🤣

Nick
 
So what is the conclusion in terms of its efficacy in a los grow? It appears to me that orthosilicic acid will indeed convert to monosilicic in water. However will that benefit my grow? The orthosilicic is more bioavailable and doesn't require ph'ing am I right?
 
Soil doesn't require pH'ing and I'm not sure if you need it or not. You can check with the person who made the soil and ask if there's a source of Si in there.
 
InTheShed said:
Soil doesn't require pH'ing and I'm not sure if you need it or not. You can check with the person who made the soil and ask if there's a source of Si in there.
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I thought the monosilicic acid was a must have amendment, but you're right, I haven't checked with the manufacturers of the soils. I should ask them first. I know what Jamie will say. He will tell me to use water only with his. That's all he uses. I don't know the folk from Freedom Farms. They are local too. I will get hold of them.
 
InTheShed said:
Soil doesn't require pH'ing and I'm not sure if you need it or not. You can check with the person who made the soil and ask if there's a source of Si in there.
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Yes - it seems that that particular form is for supercharged hydro grows looking for dmall gains and not just a LOS type thing.

KIS - Keep It Simple

Converting to get an optimism form of silica for a hydro type grow rather than you in LOS seems like the idea can be swiftly shelved due to sheer complicatedness! That’s from me, too! I couldn’t sell that to & Co. But then I couldn’t sell her loss, I mean LOS either 😆

Nick

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NickHardy said:
Yes - it seems that that particular form is for supercharged hydro grows looking for dmall gains and not just a LOS type thing.

KIS - Keep It Simple

Converting to get an optimism form of silica for a hydro type grow rather than you in LOS seems like the idea can be swiftly shelved due to sheer complicatedness! That’s from me, too! I couldn’t sell that to & Co. But then I couldn’t sell her loss, I mean LOS either 😆

Nick

Nick
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You're probably right. I'm going through my checklist of things I learnt about in the previous grow that I wanted to implement going forward. I used to think Shed grows in LOS but he doesn't. He uses synthetic nutes. So that is a different beast altogether. I wasn't sure about the monosilicic acid in LOS and now it seems it might be a waste of product.
 
Carmen Ray said:
Incidentally, I am really pleased that I didn't get rid of the Red Russian when I spotted the little bit of mould. There isn't anymore on the curing bud and as it cures it is smoothing off nicely. Also quite spicy like the Wedding Cake, and very sedative. A proper full stone. It's a good medicinal strain for me. @HashGirl which terpenes are the spicy ones, and the floral? I am wondering if they are sedative terpenes.
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Linalool, Geraniol and Ocimene are floral. Caryophyllene and Linalool are both spicy. Terpinolene, Caryophyllene, Myrcene and Linalool all help with insomnia.
 
HashGirl said:
Linalool, Geraniol and Ocimene are floral. Caryophyllene and Linalool are both spicy. Terpinolene, Caryophyllene, Myrcene and Linalool all help with insomnia.
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Thank you! Do you by any chance have a table with a list of terpenes and their associated characteristics and benefits? That would be such a useful thing to have. We should devise one if there isn't one. It would be such a useful tool to have at hand when trying to get to the bottom of the terps in each strain.

These two are great for nights but on nights like tonight, nothing seems to get me to sleep. I'll have to go down the terpene rabbit hole and discover which ones I am attracted to, but I will save that for another time.

Red Russian XXL
"It is a mostly indica strain. Red Russian XXL has a very broad family tree. The first in the cross is White Widow, a prize winning hybrid, that originates from Brazil sativa and Indian indica. On the other side we have AK-77V, that originates from AK-47. AK-47s ancestors are Colombian sativa, Mexican sativa, Thai sativa and Afghani indica. This cross resulted in White Russian, that was changed and improved, and so became Red Russian XXL." (Victory Seeds)

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Wedding Cake
"Wedding Cake strain inherits much of its power from its Girl Scout Cookies parent, crossed with Cherry Pie, bringing a sophisticated twist from its OG and Durban Poison X Granddaddy Purple heritage." (Barneys Farm)
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Carmen Ray said:
Thank you! Do you by any chance have a table with a list of terpenes and their associated characteristics and benefits? That would be such a useful thing to have. We should devise one if there isn't one. It would be such a useful tool to have at hand when trying to get to the bottom of the terps in each strain.

These two are great for nights but on nights like tonight, nothing seems to get me to sleep. I'll have to go down the terpene rabbit hole and discover which ones I am attracted to, but I will save that for another time.

Red Russian XXL
"It is a mostly indica strain. Red Russian XXL has a very broad family tree. The first in the cross is White Widow, a prize winning hybrid, that originates from Brazil sativa and Indian indica. On the other side we have AK-77V, that originates from AK-47. AK-47s ancestors are Colombian sativa, Mexican sativa, Thai sativa and Afghani indica. This cross resulted in White Russian, that was changed and improved, and so became Red Russian XXL." (Victory Seeds)

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Wedding Cake
"Wedding Cake strain inherits much of its power from its Girl Scout Cookies parent, crossed with Cherry Pie, bringing a sophisticated twist from its OG and Durban Poison X Granddaddy Purple heritage." (Barneys Farm)
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Try this Cannabis Terpenes 101: Marijuana Terpene Chart | THC Design
 
Carmen Ray said:
That's great Joe, thanks! Is that a full list of terpenes?
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No that is the most common ones, they are still discovering new terpenes today
 
HashGirl said:
Hi Carmen.

I have a few terpene infographics. Here are the ones I have:

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Terpene Chart posted on Herb

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Terpene Wheel

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Terpene Wheel from Leafly

I also have a spreadsheet. If you'd like that, let me know and I'll email it to you.
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Fantastic, this is great HG, thank you. I would like that spreadsheet please.
 
Carmen Ray said:
I think it is Myrcene. What do you think? .... wanna do some Myrcene together? 👽
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That may be the one. Let's explore this. Don't I know you from the cinematographer's party? Who am I to blow against the wind?
 
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