Carmen And Tassie Compare Notes: Big Angel And Super Mazar Autos

[Carmen Ray]

He uses 20 hour days.

Here's what the calculator says, so I guess it may actually make sense... maybe....

He uses synthetics and grows lots of popcorn. Lol photos, your funny. He still thinks the FBI or CSIS is bugging his phone. Actual photos will never happen. I bet if you googled it you would find some data on it tho.

Idk. I wonder how his autos compare to Jon's. It was Jon who persuaded me to go to 18/6 from 20/4. I think 625 ppfd is too low surely?

What are other auto growers doing about light hours and intensity? Please chime in.

 

[KeithLemon]

Is that 18/6 the complete grow. I am growing my first auto and have no idea what to use. I have seen Jons autos, and they are beautiful.

 

[JiggiLotus]

chiming in.
i was curious about this too. so when scoping the other threads i notice the auto growers that got the big autos tend to have a mix of the full spectrum white, and the full spectrum blurple lights in their grows. When i grow autos under the high spectrum blurples they grow big. whereas the autos grown outside summer sun tend to be stocky and fat. dense nugs. the autos ive grown inside under regular white tend to be small and the buds are whispy (?) not as dense, more fluffy.

 

[JiggiLotus]

does anyone ever just leave them at a 24/7 lights on?

 

[InTheShed]

does anyone ever just leave them at a 24/7 lights on?

I do, mostly because I need the heat from the driver. I set the watts to put out enough heat to keep the tent warm and change the light height to maintain the DLI I'm looking for in a 24 hour light-day.

 

[Gee64]

Idk. I wonder how his autos compare to Jon's. It was Jon who persuaded me to go to 18/6 from 20/4. I think 625 ppfd is too low surely?

What are other auto growers doing about light hours and intensity? Please chime in.

I'm just trying to help. I asked a buddy. It makes no difference to me if you research it or not, it was just a direction.

 

[Carmen Ray]

I'm just trying to help. I asked a buddy. It makes no difference to me if you research it or not, it was just a direction.

I can endlessly search the web only to find that all roads lead back to , or I can ask auto growing readers how they do it, and derive a live sample. I appreciate the help very much. His is one voice amongst many.

 

[Gee64]

I can endlessly search the web only to find that all roads lead back to , or I can ask auto growing readers how they do it, and derive a live sample. I appreciate the help very much. His is one voice amongst many.

Interesting. I just googled "best autoflower lighting schedule" and got tons of hits, and the general consensus is 18/6 works, 24/0 is the biggest yield, and 20/4 is the middle ground with bigger yields than 18/6 but less cost than 24/0.

They all hint that autoflowering cannabis seems to be fine without a dark period, but also admit there isn't any hard science on this.

They also all say, to Shed's point, that 24/0 provides better heat and less humidity which auto's seem to enjoy. Especially once flowering is initiated.

I tend to follow genetics, and ruderalis, although spread globally now, originated above the 56th parallel, and having lived that far north, I know that for all of June and July the dark period is 4 hours or less, and briefly the sun is setting as it rises, so that seems to make sense.

None of the google hits were from 420.

I did also find a free download pdf on growing autoflowers from Jeff Lowenfels, so that was a score. It's condensed, but interesting.

Maybe google gives different people different results? I rarely get hits back to 420.

A.I., both Google's and ChatGPT's, seem to agree with the general consensus from above about the 18/6, 20/4, 24/0 thing.

From what i could decipher, 20/4 is the most common schedule.

A couple articles did mention that 24/0 is not good for your light. I'm not a light guy so I have no idea about that part.

 

[4our8ighty0]

Oh shit ....I just realized autos can flower in 24/0 light cycle huh? That seems so unnatural to me but ik photos can veg 24/0 too. Has anyone done a 24/0 auto flowering on 420 ?

 

[con]

Idk. I wonder how his autos compare to Jon's. It was Jon who persuaded me to go to 18/6 from 20/4. I think 625 ppfd is too low surely?

What are other auto growers doing about light hours and intensity? Please chime in.

Hi Carmen i run 18/6 some times 19/5 & with a PPFD of 730-750 max at the highest point of the plant they seem to like the 730 PPfd better & at 18/6 that gives me a DLI of 47ish, but i'm in a tent with reflective wall which i do believe makes a difference if my lowest buds are getting 625-650 PPFD they seem to develop well

 

[Carmen Ray]

Interesting. I just googled "best autoflower lighting schedule" and got tons of hits, and the general consensus is 18/6 works, 24/0 is the biggest yield, and 20/4 is the middle ground with bigger yields than 18/6 but less cost than 24/0.

My biggest autos with the yellowest leaves grew on a 24/0 schedule so I'm buying.

They all hint that autoflowering cannabis seems to be fine without a dark period, but also admit there isn't any hard science on this.

They also all say, to Shed's point, that 24/0 provides better heat and less humidity which auto's seem to enjoy. Especially once flowering is initiated.

I tend to follow genetics, and ruderalis, although spread globally now, originated above the 56th parallel, and having lived that far north, I know that for all of June and July the dark period is 4 hours or less, and briefly the sun is setting as it rises, so that seems to make sense.

None of the google hits were from 420.

That's amazing. I get a lot of 420 leads on my Google searches, including to your thread.

I did also find a free download pdf on growing autoflowers from Jeff Lowenfels, so that was a score. It's condensed, but interesting.

Maybe google gives different people different results? I rarely get hits back to 420.

I know it does because it picks up our location, habits etc.

A.I., both Google's and ChatGPT's, seem to agree with the general consensus from above about the 18/6, 20/4, 24/0 thing.

From what i could decipher, 20/4 is the most common schedule.

A couple articles did mention that 24/0 is not good for your light. I'm not a light guy so I have no idea about that part.

I haven't heard that so I'll keep an open mind but here's the thing. My next grow is with new genetics from Smiley Seeds. I have an OG Kush and a Cosmic Cookies to grow. I'll add in third. If I swing back to 24/0 which I am tempted to do after my lazy reading of your findings, how will I know if it is genetics or light? Fuckit, I'm going back to 24/0.

Oh shit ....I just realized autos can flower in 24/0 light cycle huh? That seems so unnatural to me but ik photos can veg 24/0 too. Has anyone done a 24/0 auto flowering on 420 ?

Yes, successfully.

Hi Carmen i run 18/6 some times 19/5 & with a PPFD of 730-750 max at the highest point of the plant they seem to like the 730 PPfd better & at 18/6 that gives me a DLI of 47ish, but i'm in a tent with reflective wall which i do believe makes a difference if my lowest buds are getting 625-650 PPFD they seem to develop well

Thank you Con! That is super helpful too.

My question now is, do I turn the taps down a % or do I raise the XS1500 Pro?

 

[con]

My biggest autos with the yellowest leaves grew on a 24/0 schedule so I'm buying.

That's amazing. I get a lot of 420 leads on my Google searches, including to your thread.

I know it does because it picks up our location, habits etc.

I haven't heard that so I'll keep an open mind but here's the thing. My next grow is with new genetics from Smiley Seeds. I have an OG Kush and a Cosmic Cookies to grow. I'll add in third. If I swing back to 24/0 which I am tempted to do after my lazy reading of your findings, how will I know if it is genetics or light? Fuckit, I'm going back to 24/0.

Yes, successfully.

Thank you Con! That is super helpful too.

My question now is, do I turn the taps down a % or do I raise the XS1500 Pro?

hard to say the closer the light the better it is to a certain degree for your leaf temps but the higher height would spread the light out a bit better but with cooler leaf temps , when i was using my XS1500 Pro on the MWC i was at 100% & about 18''-22'' away to get about 650-730 PPFD but had reflective material on 3 sides of the closet

 

[Gee64]

My biggest autos with the yellowest leaves grew on a 24/0 schedule so I'm buying.

That's amazing. I get a lot of 420 leads on my Google searches, including to your thread.

Hmmm, I've never gotten a google hit to GeeSpot. That's nasty. No wonder collectively we aren't all on the same page. They are keeping us off balance.

I know it does because it picks up our location, habits etc.

Maybe it just tells you what it thinks you want to hear?

I haven't heard that so I'll keep an open mind but here's the thing. My next grow is with new genetics from Smiley Seeds. I have an OG Kush and a Cosmic Cookies to grow. I'll add in third. If I swing back to 24/0 which I am tempted to do after my lazy reading of your findings, how will I know if it is genetics or light? Fuckit, I'm going back to 24/0.

When reading earlier today, most articles did say that auto's by nature are small, but some lines have XXL or Super auto lines, and those will grow larger and yield more.

If you go to 24/0 will you stick with your DLI charts and lower your light intensity to compensate for your added hours?

This is interesting stuff.

Edit: Maybe skip the new gizmo's and get a 2nd dinner table for side-by-sides instead.

 

[Roy Growin]

Idk. I wonder how his autos compare to Jon's. It was Jon who persuaded me to go to 18/6 from 20/4. I think 625 ppfd is too low surely?

What are other auto growers doing about light hours and intensity? Please chime in.

I go with 18/6 too, measured ppfd once and it came out about 800 - plugged the numbers into some random website and it told me DLI was around 40/45 - so that tells me there's enough light, right? I already knew that
Means nothing to me tbh lol

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Hmmm, I've never gotten a google hit to GeeSpot. That's nasty. No wonder collectively we aren't all on the same page. They are keeping us off balance.

I will never understand Googles' algorithms. I get regular hits with 420 magazine posts when doing a search about cannabis related questions or topics. The google images as well, lots of hits to the galleries or posts here at or near the top of the lists.
I did three searches with different subject questions yesterday on Google and every one of them had at least one reference on this site.
It's a head scratcher. LOL

 

[Roy Growin]

I will never understand Googles' algorithms. I get regular hits with 420 magazine posts when doing a search about cannabis related questions or topics. The google images as well, lots of hits to the galleries or posts here at or near the top of the lists.
I did three searches with different subject questions yesterday on Google and every one of them had at least one reference on this site.
It's a head scratcher. LOL

I've worked in SEO [as you probably know] and while it appears confusing it's actually very simple
If you want to see real results not 'personalised' [I don't see how that's useful for anything except pushing products for you to buy] log out of Google altogether and use an incognito tab
I set up another account on my PC and use dynamic DNS to check SERPs when I had to, otherwise results are skewed
SEO in a sentence: provide the information, Google is very good at finding it

 

[Gee64]

I will never understand Googles' algorithms. I get regular hits with 420 magazine posts when doing a search about cannabis related questions or topics. The google images as well, lots of hits to the galleries or posts here at or near the top of the lists.
I did three searches with different subject questions yesterday on Google and every one of them had at least one reference on this site.
It's a head scratcher. LOL

I just tried numerous queries and couldn't get a hit to 420 unless I included 420 in my query. I scrolled 5 pages deep on each query. I even queried "cannabis news" and never got a 420 hit.

I wonder if it's because it's legal in Canada but the law states it must be hidden from minors?

Once I include the word cannabis, googles auto-fill feature that tries to predict and finish your query completely disappears and I have to type the entire query out.

Most of the hits I did get to anywhere, such as seed sites, were ones that had age verifications to get into the site. That's kinda scary, censorship I suppose.

I Love Growing Marijuana did pop up on almost every query tho.

 

[Gee64]

This could explain why I constantly scratch my head about why growers don't do things that are so easy to figure out and there is tons of info on it. Maybe google is blocking it from them. All the more value to this site.

Edit: I just queried "grow journals" and finally got a hit to 420. It was down bottom on page 1, but at least it was there.

 

[InTheShed]

I'm never signed into google and (like Gee) never get a 420mag hit unless I include site:420magazine.com in the search box.

Has anyone done a 24/0 auto flowering on 420 ?

Along with Carmen, I have (as mentioned above). I also veg my photoperiods at 24/0. Cannabis does not need a dark time as a class C3 plant.

In C3 plants, which Cannabis Sativa is...(the bookmarks are broken on that page so scroll down to"Photorespiration")

C3 plants:
"The C3 cycle is often referred to as a light-independent reaction to the process of photosynthesis. This is because the C3 cycle is not supplied directly by the photons from the ultimate source of light – the Sun."

 

[Carmen Ray]

hard to say the closer the light the better it is to a certain degree for your leaf temps but the higher height would spread the light out a bit better but with cooler leaf temps , when i was using my XS1500 Pro on the MWC i was at 100% & about 18''-22'' away to get about 650-730 PPFD but had reflective material on 3 sides of the closet

Thank you. In winter the heat from the light is helpful but in summer it can get quite hot. Hmmm.

Hmmm, I've never gotten a google hit to GeeSpot. That's nasty. No wonder collectively we aren't all on the same page. They are keeping us off balance.

Maybe it just tells you what it thinks you want to hear?

When reading earlier today, most articles did say that auto's by nature are small, but some lines have XXL or Super auto lines, and those will grow larger and yield more.

If you go to 24/0 will you stick with your DLI charts and lower your light intensity to compensate for your added hours?

I don't know. I don't think I understand the light relationship enough to make a call. I need guidance.

I go with 18/6 too, measured ppfd once and it came out about 800 - plugged the numbers into some random website and it told me DLI was around 40/45 - so that tells me there's enough light, right? I already knew that
Means nothing to me tbh lol

My concern is that if I go lower than 800 will I kill yield with too little light? If we look at this chart again, the range is wide.

Clones/Seedlings​	0 - 100 PPFD​
Early Vegetative Stage​	150 - 400 PPFD​
Late Veg/Pre-Flower​	350 - 500 PPFD​
Flowering Stage​	400 - 800 PPFD​
Flowering with CO2​	600 - 1100 PPFD​

@InTheShed what ppfd do you keep your autos under in their different stages of growth, since you are keeping them at 24/0?

I will never understand Googles' algorithms. I get regular hits with 420 magazine posts when doing a search about cannabis related questions or topics. The google images as well, lots of hits to the galleries or posts here at or near the top of the lists.
I did three searches with different subject questions yesterday on Google and every one of them had at least one reference on this site.
It's a head scratcher. LOL

It is indeed.

I've worked in SEO [as you probably know] and while it appears confusing it's actually very simple
If you want to see real results not 'personalised' [I don't see how that's useful for anything except pushing products for you to buy]
log out of Google altogether and use an incognito tab
I set up another account on my PC and use dynamic DNS to check SERPs when I had to, otherwise results are skewed
SEO in a sentence: provide the information, Google is very good at finding it

I wish I had your SEO brain for my product listings!

I just tried numerous queries and couldn't get a hit to 420 unless I included 420 in my query. I scrolled 5 pages deep on each query. I even queried "cannabis news" and never got a 420 hit.

Amazing right!

I wonder if it's because it's legal in Canada but the law states it must be hidden from minors?

Once I include the word cannabis, googles auto-fill feature that tries to predict and finish your query completely disappears and I have to type the entire query out.

Interesting, you might be onto something.

Most of the hits I did get to anywhere, such as seed sites, were ones that had age verifications to get into the site. That's kinda scary, censorship I suppose.

I Love Growing Marijuana did pop up on almost every query tho.

They do good SEO

I'm never signed into google and (like Gee) never get a 420mag hit unless I include site:420magazine.com in the search box.

Along with Carmen, I have (as mentioned above). I also veg my photoperiods at 24/0. Cannabis does not need a dark time as a class C3 plant.

In C3 plants, which Cannabis Sativa is...(the bookmarks are broken on that page so scroll down to"Photorespiration")

C3 plants:
"The C3 cycle is often referred to as a light-independent reaction to the process of photosynthesis. This is because the C3 cycle is not supplied directly by the photons from the ultimate source of light – the Sun."

This I have to read. Thank you!