Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

[Closet Farmer]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

Blue Diesel sounds like it is going to be some great smoke! You have a nice clean set up. Could you post some pics of the CO2 generator you made?

 

[jandre2k3]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

Blue Diesel sounds like it is going to be some great smoke! You have a nice clean set up. Could you post some pics of the CO2 generator you made?

Am making... I will when it's all done. I'll get my photog to snap some installation pics as well. All I have right now is a tube with caulk drying in a soda bottle cap... not much to see.

 

[jandre2k3]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

Xlr8... You're gonna love this post.

So I added a product that comes highly recommended from a good friend of mine, Xlr8. He has been using it for some time, now with his plants and has nothing bad to say about it. I've seen him recommend it to others to correct weak stems ,and hearty growth. So I did some of my own research, of course, and decided to run a trial.

Of course I'm speaking of Silica.

I went to my hydro shop and just left it open asking about something to give heartier growth and better stress tolerance. They immediately suggested the now familiar product, silica. So I asked for the best (of course) and she went to grab a quart of Dyna-Gro_tm Pro-Tekt® 0-0-3

That was three days ago. I applied as directed for Hydroponic production (1/2 to 1 tsp per gal or roughly 2.5 to 5mL), adjusted for pH (DAMN it rose 1.5 pH for 30mL added), and turned on the pumps. I let them run for a couple of minutes and then set them back to auto.

Here is where I should tell you that I intentionally bonsai my mother plants and keep them below 15" at all times. I cut the roots to 1" below their grow block every 3 months to keep them from overgrowing each other, but at the cost of flimsy stems, and 5 finger fans. I now have 6 plants in a 17x21 top drip tray and that's all the space I have for mothers. They still give a good amount of cuttings to the tune of about 6 a month, and still need to be trimmed at least every 45 days, clones or not, but I was beginning to see weak limbs on my Purple Widow. So weak, that they were drooping down to the hydrotone under their own weight. And my Purple Cindy was taking her sweet time to recover after dehydration at the co-op before I brought her home.

I was initially skeptical, although hopeful, about the claims made, as far as getting the results that Xlr8 and others have seen. No more. I can tell you that this stuff is working a lot faster than I thought it would, and is working better than I had hoped. I'm a believer, X!

After adding the Silica, already I am seeing a difference. It was subtle at first- barely noticeable. But tonight when I did my nightly GLR Lights On inspection, I was FRIKKIN AMAZED at the stem size. Mind you, it wasn't length that was improved, it was all girth. In three day's time, Purple Cindy has recovered from her stress, finally, and is growing 4 new stems the SIZE OF HER TRUNK, and all the others are packing on the weight. Even my rail thin stems from Purple Widow are strengthening and getting less floppy! I may actually get some stand-up stems for more clones soon!! They're ALL becoming fat girls! There's even hopes that Powder Mold will be less of a problem with thicker cell walls!

Thank you so much for this little bit of imparted knowledge, X. My ladies thank you as well. I will be using it forever, now.

 

[SurfBuddy]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

nice find, sounds like you like that strain then mate,

i been thinking, could be dangerous, right now you know when you break a stem on a plant you can patch it back on with some tape and it will grow again if your lucky, but what would happen if you did this with 2 different plants and and swapped the branches over and taped them on, would they grow, and if they did would it be growing 1 branch of bud of the plant the branch was off and the same with the other, or would both branches just die,

is their any connection between the branch and the plant that would change it somehow, or would the branch just grow the same as if it was on its own plant, crazy idea i know, but i just read about fixing a broken branch and wondered what would happen if you swapped the branches over or cut the stem in half and swapped the plants over so you had 50% of one plant and the top half would be 50% of another, would this give you 1 plant that grows 2 different strains of bud or would it it change it in anyway,

You're talking about grafting, and it's not crazy. I just had a go at it and did not fare well... most of the grafting tutorials I have seen take a known good rootstock that is disease resistant and put your favorite heirloom on top. I'm trying various methods to get multi strains on one strong momma. Actually since it will perpetually veg, it could be a boy plant too a big pappa with lot's o girls growing on it

 

[OldMedMan]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

Where do I start Buddy? I know Blue Diesel !

I actually said...."Right On!". Glad for you jandre.

I made a co2 maker, my first indoor grow.....Hope to see if yours is easier to make. I just hung a new bag of Exhale in my tent.....this is my second bag and it seems to work.

Pro Tekt looks like it will be a good product too. Been using silica since my second grow....makes a world of difference to your stems.

Lots of good stuff in your post Buddy!

 

[Electricthom]

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Sorry you stopped man, read that post to the beat of night before xmas in my head, very cool. Congrats on the discovery, The strain sounds sweet. Tried the Sour Diesel once while visiting a rich cousin, but only get no name crap 'round here(at least with my cash flow) 'til my first harvest. As for DP's question, They splice different branches on fruit trees all the time so you can have lemons and oranges on one tree or multiple types of apples. Had to toss in the apples I grew up in Apple Valley (Yes that the real name). Also I believe the second bottle as a water filter to take the alcohol out of the CO2, it could be bad for the plants.

 

[jandre2k3]

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Sorry you stopped man, read that post to the beat of night before xmas in my head, very cool. Congrats on the discovery, The strain sounds sweet. Tried the Sour Diesel once while visiting a rich cousin, but only get no name crap 'round here(at least with my cash flow) 'til my first harvest. As for DP's question, They splice different branches on fruit trees all the time so you can have lemons and oranges on one tree or multiple types of apples. Had to toss in the apples I grew up in Apple Valley (Yes that the real name). Also I believe the second bottle as a water filter to take the alcohol out of the CO2, it could be bad for the plants.

APPLE VALLEY! We go there every fall! Abel's Apple Acres is always a first stop. then we head down to Kid's inc. get a WALIKNG PIE... mmmm.... walking pie... and to pet the bunnies. My munchkin says she can't go unless she can pet the bunnies.

Wait, are you talking about the town of Apple Valley in SoCal? I'm talking about the place up in the sierras in NorCal that has 50 something apple orchards and pumpkin patches, and you go pick your own of both, and they have an apple celebration after harvest every year... and the christmas tree farm to cut your own tree... or dig it up and actually have a live tree to replant after the holidays.

I like the NorCal version better I think. The Desert is too far from here to really want to go to the other. Sorry rambling, just got up this morning...



How can removing alcohol from CO₂ and removing the sweet smell that attracts bugs be bad?

 

[donpaul.p]

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thanks mate, grafting is something i am also going to try myself, thanks for telling me what its called, i can look it up now anabot d read more about it,

 

[BigIrishDoode]

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what a great rediscovery! im so stoked for you that is awesome.i was thinking about trying a silica product.you have convinced me. say how do you keep the brown slime under control in your hydro setup.got some in my bub clo i tried h2o2 no dice.i put a couple drops bleach and it seems to have helped but not gone'im afraid to put more than 2 drops per the 8 or so gallons water.im gonna go research this.i love how meticulous and organized you are'sadly im not

 

[Electricthom]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

I'm on the other coast, new englander born-n-bred.

 

[NorCaliwood]

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I did a grafting experment many years back. Marijuana is really close in family to a hops plant. Hops gets huge. Well I grafted a hops top on a marijuana root. Both plants surrived. But the hops top didn't produce thc and the other with the marijuana top did produce thc, I was wanting a hops top that wood get ya high. But didn't work. Oh well. I haven't tried anymore of it tho. Keepem Green

 

[jandre2k3]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

what a great rediscovery! im so stoked for you that is awesome.i was thinking about trying a silica product.you have convinced me. say how do you keep the brown slime under control in your hydro setup.got some in my bub clo i tried h2o2 no dice.i put a couple drops bleach and it seems to have helped but not gone'im afraid to put more than 2 drops per the 8 or so gallons water.im gonna go research this.i love how meticulous and organized you are'sadly im not

Sounds like you have a light infiltration into your bubbler res. Get some flat black paint and completely cover your tub with it. Sides, bottom, top, everywhere. Get one that is pompatible with the plastic used to make your res.

hehe, thanks. Everyone says that I'm really organized, but I feel that I'm falling into clutter most of the time. I guess that's why I'm constantly trying to keep things straight, lol!

 

[jandre2k3]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

I did a grafting experment many years back. Marijuana is really close in family to a hops plant. Hops gets huge. Well I grafted a hops top on a marijuana root. Both plants surrived. But the hops top didn't produce thc and the other with the marijuana top did produce thc, I was wanting a hops top that wood get ya high. But didn't work. Oh well. I haven't tried anymore of it tho. Keepem Green

HEY! +rep for trying! That would have been cool to have a beer that was infused with THC from the HOPS!!

 

[donpaul.p]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

i did just read about the hops experiment and one guide said it would produce thc and the other said it was all lies, i dont think the plant would force another plant to have thc, their may be a way of doing it but until we find a way it just wont happen, but from what i have been reading you can have several strains growing off the same mother and grow it out then you only need to keep one mother for say 4 strains and just take clones as needed,

i am going to give this a try i have read a few guides and its not a case of cutting the stem and cutting the stem on the other plant and joining them together, from what i can tell i need to cut a v type cut in the stem of the main plant with the roots im using, and make this cut where a node is, then take a normal cutting of another plant and cut this into a v also, then fit the clone into the v and use masking tape to tape it up, then if you cover it with a plastic sweet bag it will keep it moist and should then start growing,

i dont think we will ever get thc growing off another plant using this method, i think that would require some sort of DNA experiment, but without having 10's of thousands in the bank i just dont think its possible, but if i had a plant that had bad roots or slow growth then id transplant 1 or 2 clones onto the vigorous plant and see how it takes, in theory it should make the clone grow quicker,

its something i am going to try so if anyone has any info or tips then let me know and ill give it a try,

 

[jandre2k3]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

DIY CO₂ Generator
by: jandre2k3

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What You'll Need:
2 2Liter Bottles (Label removed and glue cleaned off)
Enough 1/4" Hose to run between the two bottles, and into the Flower Box and round the inside of your grow space.
1/4" Check Valve (I got mine from the aquarium section of my pet store near the air pumps)
1/4" Barb-type "T" coupling.
Thumb Tack
Caulk
15/64" drill bit
Drill
2 packets of Active Dry Yeast (4.5tsp)
4 TBSP sugar (1/4C)
1 Cup warm water (Brewer Bottle)
1L of cold water (Treatment Bottle)
Zip Ties

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Preparation:
First measure out how much tubing you'll need INSIDE for your grow space. Measure around the inside walls of your grow space, or around the top of the bins your plants are in. (For this demonstration an Ebb&Flow system is used so the measurements were around the tops of the bins.) Just make sure there is enough tubing to go around the plants.

Measure out and cut that much 1/4" tubing.

Next, cut your length of tubing IN HALF making two equal lengths. This better ensures that the CO₂ will reach the end of the tubing as the generator runs.

note: Pressure in the tubing will drop as it gets toward the end of the tubing. Running two lines from the main will increase the pressure in the shorter tubing a little bit to give a batter chance of running the escaping gas all the way to the end.

Next, measure out the space your 2 Liter pop bottles will be and cut enough tubing to run from the top of the first bottle through the cap, to the bottom inside the other bottle and cut a length so that your tubing makes a loop between the two.

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Let's Get To Building!


The Reactor:
Drill 3 holes each 15/64":
1 hole in the center of cap for the first bottle and 2 holes in the cap of the second bottle.

Note: We are drilling slightly smaller that the diameter of the tubing to make a tight seal around the tubing so no gas leaks around the holes in the cap.

(You can optionally caulk the hoses into place.)





Next install the tubing for between the bottles into the first bottle and cut it at about 6".
Get your check valve,


notice that one side says "IN":


and the other side says, "OUT"


Place the "IN" side into the short tube you just cut off from the main length coming from your first bottle:


Then attach the rest of the tubing you just cut the the "OUT" side of the check valve.


This will ensure that no water flows back into your first bottle from the second.

Cut the other end of the tubing at an angle.


and insert it through one of the holes in the second bottle's cap all the way to the bottom.

The bias cut will make a larger opening to allow gas to escape easier, and also to keep the tube from being blocked if it is pushed all the way down and against the bottom of the bottle.

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The Supply Hoses:

Now we need a way to get the CO₂ to the plants.
Take those hoses we cut earlier from the measurements around the grow space and use the thumb tack to put holes into the tubing at 6" intervals. DO NOT press the tack all the way through the tubing. We're aiming to make the smallest hole possible so make sure you only push the tack through just enough to make it through to the inside. Half way into the tubing just through, and only half way up the taper of the point. Try not to go all the way up to the shaft of the pin itself. Just to the line in the picture below.


Remember: we're going for the tiniest of holes so we have good gas pressure all the way through the lines...


Now, fold the end of each tube and secure by wrapping several times with bare wire with no plastic (non-insulated type), and then with tape, to make sure it does not leak, or unfold.

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Installation:

Now we're ready to put it all together!

First install the lines into your Grow Space, and secure with zip ties.




Next, attach the lines to the "T" coupling.


Now run line into your grow room and attach the end to the "T".


Measure down to the location for the second bottle, leaving a loop and cut off. Remove the cap from the second bottle and attach to the looped end of the supply line we just dropped out of the grow space.

Installation COMPLETE!!
Now we need to set up the reactor and get it brewing.

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Set-Up!

First get together all your ingredients for both bottles


1 Liter of cold water goes into the second bottle, and the rest goes into the first bottle.
The idea behind the second Treatment Bottle is to remove the "beer smell" produced by the yeast.

To the Brewer Bottle, add the 4-1/2 tsp yeast:


...and the 1/4 Cup of sugar:


And now the warm (110*F) water.


agitate for 15 seconds to mix:


It should be a brown messy goop inside the Brewer Bottle now.



Now, cap your bottles. Single tube cap on the first bottle, and the double tube cap on the second bottle.


You're DONE!!


All you need do now is place the bottles is a nice dark place and let them work.


After a few minutes you will see bubbles coming through the clear water in the second bottle:


So now you know it's working and doing its thing.

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Maintenance:

You will need to do a few things to keep your reactor in good working condition.

First 2 hours:

When you first set your reactor, the yeast will be overly active as they all come out of stasis and start to feed and multiply.
You will notice after about 15 to 30 minutes that there is a foam rising in your brewer bottle:


For the first hour or so, this will be VERY THICK and will over flow into your treatment bottle (NOT GOOD!) if something is not done.

Simply pick up your brewer bottle and tap in on the floor a few times until the foam settles out again:


KEEP AN EYE ON IT! This will need to be repeated 2 or 3 times in the first 1 to 1.5 hours... After that, there will still be foam, but it will be much less viscous and the bubbles will break inside and will not rise to the top.

Twice a Month:

Twice a month it is a good thing to add a little water, and another 1 TBSP of sugar. Yeast is a Non-photosynthetic algae. It requires 2 things to live, grow, and multiply. Sugar and water. Keep these two things in good supply and you should never have to dump and refill your Brewer Bottle and start over ever again. This is the same basic principle in a Sourdough starter. There is a bakery in San Francisco that has had the very same sourdough starter since 1909. It survived an earthquake and is still alive today by receiving a little care and maintenance. That same strain of yeast from 1909 is what gives the baker the signature San Francisco Sourdough flavor. Given the same care, and attention, your reactor should last you a lifetime.


Thank you for reading, I wish you all the best. Enjoy your CO₂ Generator! Keep'em Green, 420Mag readers!

 

[jandre2k3]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

Okay, Folks, there it is.

Enjoy, and post your thoughts!

 

[jandre2k3]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

Hey, 420 Magazine!!

I have been at war with my weight for a long time now, and I've hit a milestone tonight!!

I have been putting off checking my weight until tonight.
















199.6lbs!!! And a BMI of: 26.25


Finally, after 3 years of doing everything right, and only small treats when I really crave them, I have lost. . .

75.4lbs!!!

I know to some losing only 25lbs a year may be very little, but I'm doing it the healthy way so that I don't yo-yo back up.


I'm so happy to be under 200 again, I couldn't contain it and had to share it with my extended family!



I still have a way to go as I'm shooting for a BMI of 22.0 but I'm a LOOOONG way from the 36.15 I used to be.




Okay. Bragging and beaming session over.

 

[Xlr8]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

Awesome my friend! Love the DIY tutorial - very well done. +rep

Congrats on Blue Diesel, and I'm super glad the Silica is working well. I add it just before main nutes, and I ph in between, cuz hell ya silica jacks up the ph when you add it!

 

[Xlr8]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

Shoot, i'll have to owe you on the rep. Congrats on the weight - awesome! I think it's a really great accomplishment - proud of you buddy.

 

[jandre2k3]

re: Cardboard Flowerbox Test 3 - 41 Week Perpetual SOG

Awesome my friend! Love the DIY tutorial - very well done. +rep

Congrats on Blue Diesel, and I'm super glad the Silica is working well. I add it just before main nutes, and I ph in between, cuz hell ya silica jacks up the ph when you add it!

Yeah, with the 30mL in 6gal it went up 1.6pH That's crazy high and took 7mL of pH Down to lower it back to range... I'll be adding it to plain water after that... LOL

Shoot, i'll have to owe you on the rep. Congrats on the weight - awesome! I think it's a really great accomplishment - proud of you buddy.

Hehe, the rep can wait... and THANK YOU about the weight! It was really tough not stopping by the bakery all the time, and actually getting out of the house to do "stuff". I really owe it to cannabis for helping to control the migraines, so I could go out into the sun without crying. Actually, my monthly average went up by 2 lbs since Oct. when my docs recommended that I try it. So 2 birds there, I guess!! Thanks again, brother. It means a lot to me.