Cannafan's Perpetual Grow - Where Everything Changes - Autos - Photos - Seeds & More!

[DemonicAngel]

Re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow - Where Everything Changes - Autos - Photos - Seeds & M

We will be doing a memorial grow for our Friend and Mentor 420 Motoco (Tim) who passed away in December.
I will post the thread to start the grow on the 19th, the one month mark of his passing.

This grow will be open to anyone who wants to contribute and show their appreciation for this wonderful man. You can start from seed or clone, there is no specified time limit on when it ends. Pick your favorite medicinal plant for oil or for other purposes and post your progresses with pictures.

I will post here and to a couple of other places when the thread is up and going.

We hope to see you there!

Are you starting a new thread or is it going to be done here?.

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[Lady Cannafan]

Re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow - Where Everything Changes - Autos - Photos - Seeds & M

Let's do this without the purple of the LED lighting. Here's another go at the plants on the base:

And this is Purple Paralysis #1, you can see the buds now.

Main Cola on Super Cheese stinky gal....

The rest of the pics will have to wait until tomorrow.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow - Where Everything Changes - Autos - Photos - Seeds & M

Are you starting a new thread or is it going to be done here?.

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HI, the 420 Motoco grow has been completed. Check my signature, there is a link there if you want to read through it.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow - Where Everything Changes - Autos - Photos - Seeds & M

You done awesome, girl. I'm jelly of all the space. And that you can sit on the couch and have a cuppa while viewing....with glasses, right? You're not staring at your mini-Sol?

I have a pair of inexpensive grow room glasses. If I don't use them, the LED's give me headaches.

 

[DemonicAngel]

Re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow - Where Everything Changes - Autos - Photos - Seeds & M

Let's do this without the purple of the LED lighting. Here's another go at the plants on the base:

And this is Purple Paralysis #1, you can see the buds now.

Main Cola on Super Cheese stinky gal....

The rest of the pics will have to wait until tomorrow.

Damn sexy great job on these babies

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[Lady Cannafan]

Re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow - Where Everything Changes - Autos - Photos - Seeds & M

I've been doing a little reading on broad mites and the differences between them and spider mites. I found some great information at "The Nug" site on these bat rasterds. (no, I don't currently have an issue with them)

1st noteable difference is that these microscopic broad mites, according to the article, live inside the plants during the nymph stage, which means most methods of spraying the plants down externally is not doing anything to the nymphs because it is not penetrating the plant.
Products that penetrate the top layer of the leaves and plants should be used.

Although, I didn't find any hard facts on that...I did find that they hide in depressions and nooks and crannies of the plant, making it hard to target with a spray.

Broad mites (and spider mites) will also become resistant to a "one note" treatment as well, so combining treatments with a rotation of other products during the battle was suggested.

2nd difference is how they travel. You can do all of the changing of the clothes, shoes, gloves, hats...etc. that you feel is required, and take ten showers after coming in from the outdoors.....but you might still get an infected indoor grow despite your lab cleanliness process. How? Broad mites will attach themselves to other insects, such as white flies and travel with them. Once you open that window, or that door and allow a single fly or other host flying insect inside, that could be your beginning of an infestation.

There's your critter lesson for the day. Test tomorrow......
Discussion welcomed.

 

[Jay233]

Re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow - Where Everything Changes - Autos - Photos - Seeds & M

Neem oil will take care of broad mites
And spider mites are actually pretty easy to control. I have never had them on my Canabis plants but I have treated thousands of plants and small trees for spider mites. Horticultural oil and insecticidal soap are the recommended treatments but I have had the same results on small plants with a few drops of dish soap in a small water sprayer (shake it well). The goal is to suffocate the insect .
As an arborist and licensed pesticide applicator I have found that healthy plants never have insect problems. They have a natural defense against predatory insects by releasing hormonal chemicals that ward off the insects. The same chemicals release also acts a communication system to other near by plants. It warns them and also triggers them to release thier defense chemicals at a higher levels.
The #1 defense against any insects is to try to keep the plants from being stressed. (Which is a can be a difficult task when we have to create the environment indoors I know lol)
In collage it was explained to be like this. Think of a plants entire processes and resources like a $1 bill. In a perfect environment the funds of that dollar are allocated properly. When ever we do something that causes the plant to "spend more" on a particular function (growth, dealing with heat, drought, overwatering, light stress) there will always be less available for the other plants functions such as defense against predatory insects.
I know you know all this Canna but I'm medicated and just realized I wrote all that lol....maybe it will help someone else.
I'll also add I've been a licensed pesticide applicator for over 20 years and haven't used a pesticide in over 10 lol. I even have an unopened thing of Asamax with my nutrients that will probably always remain unopened. It's more of a "break the glass and pull in case of fire" thing lol. Pesticides always throw off the natural balance and in the long run can often do more harm than good, even if it is unseen.
Ok I'm done...sorry...gonna go smoke another bowl

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow - Where Everything Changes - Autos - Photos - Seeds & M

Neem oil will take care of broad mites
And spider mites are actually pretty easy to control. I have never had them on my Canabis plants but I have treated thousands of plants and small trees for spider mites. Horticultural oil and insecticidal soap are the recommended treatments but I have had the same results on small plants with a few drops of dish soap in a small water sprayer (shake it well). The goal is to suffocate the insect .
As an arborist and licensed pesticide applicator I have found that healthy plants never have insect problems. They have a natural defense against predatory insects by releasing hormonal chemicals that ward off the insects. The same chemicals release also acts a communication system to other near by plants. It warns them and also triggers them to release thier defense chemicals at a higher levels.
The #1 defense against any insects is to try to keep the plants from being stressed. (Which is a can be a difficult task when we have to create the environment indoors I know lol)
In collage it was explained to be like this. Think of a plants entire processes and resources like a $1 bill. In a perfect environment the funds of that dollar are allocated properly. When ever we do something that causes the plant to "spend more" on a particular function (growth, dealing with heat, drought, overwatering, light stress) there will always be less available for the other plants functions such as defense against predatory insects.
I know you know all this Canna but I'm medicated and just realized I wrote all that lol....maybe it will help someone else.
I'll also add I've been a licensed pesticide applicator for over 20 years and haven't used a pesticide in over 10 lol. I even have an unopened thing of Asamax with my nutrients that will probably always remain unopened. It's more of a "break the glass and pull in case of fire" thing lol. Pesticides always throw off the natural balance and in the long run can often do more harm than good, even if it is unseen.
Ok I'm done...sorry...gonna go smoke another bowl

Excellent information and I have not tried neem oil on anything in regards to spider mites, but it did seem to help with the aphids and thrips after mixing with warm water and a little dawn dish detergent. I used that in conjunction with Captain Jack's Deadbug, and I believe alternating between the two of those products is what finally ended the colonies.

I had just finished watching a video of a gardener who tested the dishsoap/water treatment on spider mites before I read your post . He did the whole video through a microscope . The soaking with the liquid did stop the spider mites for a time, but after it dried up the mites came back around and active again. It was almost like it just stunned them for a while. I'm wondering if it was just the brand of the dishsoap he used that caused it to not be permanent. So....what kind of dish soap would you recommend based on your experience?

Oh, what the heck...the video is long..but here is his experiment. He also had put spider mite predators in use, and there was an interesting sequence toward the end. Note: the predators didn't seem very interested in those spider mites at all.

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He also did a microscope video testing Diomataceous Earth powder on Aphids. It was long....but interesting.

 

[Jay233]

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I'll watch that video in a few and try to see what he did wrong. I'm trying to catch up on "Orange is the new black" before the next season starts....busy night lmao.
Type of dish soap shouldn't matter. Some may require a slightly higher mixture rate though. Also full coverage is needed. The mistake most people make is not spraying the undersides of the leaves. The insects will be on the undersides of the leafs mostly and the feeding injury is what we see on the top side of the leaves, as they are a piercing and sucking insect.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

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A little further reading and...
I have not found any factual documentation on the broad mite nymphs living inside the plant, I did find that they hide in depressions of the leaves and plants for one to two days before emerging. So, I edited that post a bit. You have any info on that Jay?
Can you tell I'm bored tonight?

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow - Where Everything Changes - Autos - Photos - Seeds & M

I'll watch that video in a few and try to see what he did wrong. I'm trying to catch up on "Orange is the new black" before the next season starts....busy night lmao.
Type of dish soap shouldn't matter. Some may require a slightly higher mixture rate though. Also full coverage is needed. The mistake most people make is not spraying the undersides of the leaves. The insects will be on the undersides of the leafs mostly and the feeding injury is what we see on the top side of the leaves, as they are a piercing and sucking insect.

Don't rush watching that video. I love discussions like this, everybody learns.

Oh yeah, the underside is where the monsters hang out in high numbers. Some of them will see you ....and they run "underground". LOL I watched many of the katydid nymphs do that to me outside on my plants.

 

[Jay233]

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Ok I watched it. Very cool, that microscope footage. He put way more than enough soap in the spray bottle (enough to block photosynthesis and harm the plant actually) so mixture rate can't be the issue. The brand name was pretty funny though lol. Maybe he didn't shake it enough to make it soapy I don't know. But I do know the soapy water works. I have used it many times and have been able to see the effect on the plants over the course of years not just a short period of time. Feeding injury stops and new growth does not have any injury. I usually do 2 to 3 applications insuring full coverage. I did find that microscope footage really interesting.
I also really like biological control with benificial insects but I am a firm believer that benificial insects should only be introduced as control after through research is done. There have been many instances that people have simply heard that one insect can control another and so they will with zero knowledge introduce an insect that, yes, can control one predator but it becomes a problem itself because it doesn't have a predator of its own (natural control). Nature is everything in balance. When we as humans disturb the balance, that is when we create problems.
Now you've got me thinking Canna lol...I was trying to zone out tonight

 

[Lady Cannafan]

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Ok I watched it. Very cool, that microscope footage. He put way more than enough soap in the spray bottle (enough to block photosynthesis and harm the plant actually) so mixture rate can't be the issue. The brand name was pretty funny though lol. Maybe he didn't shake it enough to make it soapy I don't know. But I do know the soapy water works. I have used it many times and have been able to see the effect on the plants over the course of years not just a short period of time. Feeding injury stops and new growth does not have any injury. I usually do 2 to 3 applications insuring full coverage. I did find that microscope footage really interesting.
I also really like biological control with benificial insects but I am a firm believer that benificial insects should only be introduced as control after through research is done. There have been many instances that people have simply heard that one insect can control another and so they will with zero knowledge introduce an insect that, yes, can control one predator but it becomes a problem itself because it doesn't have a predator of its own (natural control). Nature is everything in balance. When we as humans disturb the balance, that is when we create problems.
Now you've got me thinking Canna lol...I was trying to zone out tonight

Go zone out.....I didn't think he mixed it well either. But I found that pretty awesome to watch. I wonder if, in time, the effects of the soap water didn't kill them anyway. The video stops at them coming back to activity, who knows what happened to them hours later being coated with that stuff.

As far as introducing predators, I'll stick with the lady bugs. I like them. And they loooooove aphids.

In the one with the DE powder experiment, it really affected the young aphids. One of them went literally crazy for a while.

I'm gonna hit the sack and quit buggin' people for the night. You're safe now.

 

[Jay233]

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Yeah it was real cool. Since the soapy water isn't a pesticide it will have no residual effect. When the treatment in the video didn't work, it won't later as the sole purpose of the soapy water is to suffocate them. To me it looked like he sprayed very lightly even though he said different. There was not only no over spray on to his bench, he didn't even cover the entire leaf. He did spray the area he was showing with the microscope and it did cover the insects that moved after the water dried up but it may not of been enough coverage?

 

[TheBlaze]

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Some beautiful plants in here.

 

[Radogast]

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Main Cola on Super Cheese stinky gal....

I literally sucked in my breath and said WOW! outload when I saw this photo.

Magnificent frost. Great girth.

Wow!

I have a pair of inexpensive grow room glasses. If I don't use them, the LED's give me headaches.

Without grow glasses, I get a headache within seconds - even when using little LEDs as sidelights.

Although they would help my veg, I'm using just CFL since the whole please uf sitting with my plants is lost under LED.

I have seen LEDs at a trade show that didn't hurt my eyes within 10 minutes - but it's hard to tell in a nrightly lit room.
They were going to hurt my pocketbook for sure if I bought them

 

[Radogast]

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I used a 2% neem oil plus a similar amount of soap in water as a control of spider mites for many months. Sprayed lightly every 2 days, It controlled them so well that I could not see the effects for weeks at a time - yet when I stopped spraying the spider mites usually came back. It totally eradicated them from my veg area, but not from my flower area. I applied up to 1 qt of spray for an 8x4' flower room shortly before lights out.

The mistake I first made with neem oil was trying to save it between treatments. Once I got in the habbit of using it all up after mixing, it was very effective within 6-8 days (3-4 treatments.)

As a systemic treatment, neem oil should be equally effective against broad mites since they have to suck the plants to stay alive.


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Sorry to repeat myself on your thread Cannafan - I'm imagine it's been over 100 pages since I mentioned neem oil.

Congrats on your win - I'm waiting for your title to update

 

[Jay233]

Re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow - Where Everything Changes - Autos - Photos - Seeds & M

Excellent post Radogast

 

[Heirloom]

Re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow - Where Everything Changes - Autos - Photos - Seeds & M

Jeez, see what I started?

How does neem affect the flowers/pistils. Do they die back? My big problem here is I cannot kill off pistils with a spray because this is slated for seed making. If I kill pistils, I might as well kill the project and start over.

EDIT: The real kick in the pants is that pollen will fly here any day, maybe today. If I can get her pollinated, then what I use won't matter at all in a week, as long as it doesn't burn the plant.

 

[Heirloom]

Re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow - Where Everything Changes - Autos - Photos - Seeds & M

Well Canna, it's a moot point now. She went to the pigs this AM. Opened the tent and all her pistils were brown. What a gut punch.

So, back to the beginning with the one small (clean) clone of her, which will get everything in the arsenal as preventative.

Good news is it was contained to the one tent. Could have been totally disastrous.