Cannabis Oil Users Cafe & Lounge

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I think I pointed that one to you yesterday as well SG, the Dementia post was under the Alzheimer's thread. I haven't been all the way through those threads under that title to see what else is there yet. Scroll through it, ya never know.

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Also, has anyone had good success with making the oil in the essential oil distillers? I'm looking for any info on anyone with the oil distiller right now, not the water distiller.
Anybody?

:thanks:
 
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Sue, have you added anything to your blog on the current diseases we're discussing here?
Additional sources if you have come across any?

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Cannatonic strain, as mentioned earlier was something I had been referred to often for CBD. 1:1 ratio
The other one was a strain that Motoco mentioned all the time, Harlequin.

I found this at Steep Hill Labs on Harlequin in regards to the CBD etc.:

Admittedly, the cannabis community is currently very focused on high CBD to THC ratio strains, like Cannatonic-c6 and ACDC, but they are not unique in the two ways Harlequin is.
Harlequin has a CBD:THC ratio that is almost always 5:2. That is because the primary phenotype (dominate 50% of the time) is indeed a high CBD strain, unlike most well known CBD strains where the high CBD is a rare/recessive phenotype (Sour Tsunami, etc).
Ok, so the easiest to find phenotype has a 5:2, so why is that special compared to Cannatonic-c6?
When something is synergistic, by definition, the overall effect is greater than the sum of the parts. For most patients, a near 50/50 mix of CBD and THC is MUCH better at controlling pain than either CBD or THC by itself. ‘Near’ 50/50 would include 75/25, and Harlequin fits that criteria very well. In terms of brain tumor growth, scientific studies have shown that both CBD and THC have about equal effects on tumor cells. The same studies have shown that a 1:1 ratio of CBD:THC has a much greater effect than either used separately; another example of synergy.
If you have neuropathic pain, and don’t mind the psychoactivity of THC (which is already being strongly suppressed by the large presence of CBD), then Harlequin would be a great starting point, and usually the first medicinal remedy recommended for pain, because of the high probability of relief the patient is liable to achieve.
Additionally, when ingested, there is an additional benefit. THC toxicity is a well known and unpredictable problem with eating cannabis remedies, resulting in sometimes nasty side effects like vomiting, dizziness, anxiety. CBD prevents THC Toxicity from occurring and also neutralizes the effect rapidly, if it does occur.
So to review:
– Harlequin has a near 50/50 CBD:THC ratio,
– Harlequins main phenotype is the 5:2 ratio,
this makes Harlequin a top first choice for treating most forms of pain.
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No, I did not find the studies they mentioned.
 
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I have a 10 pack of Hurkle seeds. Here is the info on them.

GA Subcool Hurkle Seeds Specs

Phenotypes: Phenotypes range from 1/1 CBD/THC ratio's above 10% with some having higher THC and some having higher CBD the strain seems evenly balanced

Height: Short to Medium

Yield: Medium

Recommended for Indoor and Outdoor. This strain is super powdery mildew resistant.

Best way to grow: Topped once, limited stretch on most phenotypes.

Harvest: 58-62 days

Sat/Ind: 40/60

Hybrid: Harlequin x Querkle

High Type: The high is calming and comes on fast both in the head and the body. While the Cancer fighting properties of this strain can't be felt the combination of Cannabinoids certainly can and this is a great strain for pain management as well.

Taste/Aroma: Rich Merlot flavor hints of grapes coffee and chocolate

I am thinking I may need to pop 2 or 3 of these if the consensus is that a balanced ratio is the best. My question would be if this strain would be suitable for oil. :peace:
 
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And what exactly makes a strain suitable for oil? I would think the ratios are where you want them, the yield will be a minimum 2oz and trichome production acceptable. Am I missing anything?

With decent skills you should be able to get 2 oz out of any plant you grow, and trichome production can be manipulated within certain boundaries. That says to me that the determining factor would be the ratios and percentages. I know Cajun's mentioned purity of the strain, but is there some reason for that?
 
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SweetSue said:
And what exactly makes a strain suitable for oil? I would think the ratios are where you want them, the yield will be a minimum 2oz and trichome production acceptable. Am I missing anything?

With decent skills you should be able to get 2 oz out of any plant you grow, and trichome production can be manipulated within certain boundaries. That says to me that the determining factor would be the ratios and percentages. I know Cajun's mentioned purity of the strain, but is there some reason for that?
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I thought I read some where from Tim or Cajun or some one, that strains with 20% + were the best oil producers. I may be wrong. That was a while ago. ;) :peace:
 
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supergroomer said:
I have a 10 pack of Hurkle seeds. Here is the info on them.

GA Subcool Hurkle Seeds Specs

Phenotypes: Phenotypes range from 1/1 CBD/THC ratio's above 10% with some having higher THC and some having higher CBD the strain seems evenly balanced

Height: Short to Medium

Yield: Medium

Recommended for Indoor and Outdoor. This strain is super powdery mildew resistant.

Best way to grow: Topped once, limited stretch on most phenotypes.

Harvest: 58-62 days

Sat/Ind: 40/60

Hybrid: Harlequin x Querkle

High Type: The high is calming and comes on fast both in the head and the body. While the Cancer fighting properties of this strain can't be felt the combination of Cannabinoids certainly can and this is a great strain for pain management as well.

Taste/Aroma: Rich Merlot flavor hints of grapes coffee and chocolate

I am thinking I may need to pop 2 or 3 of these if the consensus is that a balanced ratio is the best. My question would be if this strain would be suitable for oil. :peace:
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When I was searching the info on Harlequin, I ran into several places that referred to it as Harlequin Oil. These were dispensaries mostly.
I would think it would be perfect for oil, that's what Tim used it for. :)

I wish I could find all of my skype messages with Tim, he pushed Harlequin at me a lot. LOL
 
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Now for the downside, Harlequin used to be a clone only way of getting it. I ran into trouble when I originally tried to get some of this strain.
Sponsors here, such as Herbie's, have Harlequin...but it's called Harlequin Bx4
I am assuming a difference in pheno's etc., but it says the CBD/THC ratio is 1:1
 
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Is this accurate? CBD degrades faster than THC? This might be something to consider for those growing high CBD strains, if it's true. Anybody have input on that?

There is a clip at Herbies' about how long to flower the Harlequin:

Fast flowering, an extended flowering time can actually reduce its effectiveness as CBD degrades earlier than THC. Harlequin Bx4 tests at around 7% CBD at 10 weeks while delivering CBD levels as high as 12% at around 8 weeks. Ideal for anxiety, stress, pain, nausea and muscle spasms.
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supergroomer said:
I thought I read some where from Tim or Cajun or some one, that strains with 20% + were the best oil producers. I may be wrong. That was a while ago. ;) :peace:
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Yeah, I know one of the defining factors is THC at or beyond, or very close to 20% content.

So we're looking for high THC, high yield. Those are the basics. Among the particulars would be high trichome expression and try to avoid the hybrids. The hybrids are changing all the time. I'm wondering if that matters as much now as it may have even a couple years ago.

They're just now beginning to work out strain recommendations for specific diseases. What we're going to see happen in the next couple years will be astounding. Unfortunately, that doesn't help those of us in the trenches today.

I have nothing specific to these maladies in my blog, but I did PM supergroomer some info I had on Alzheimer's and dementia. I need to find out if I can link it here or if I need to rewrite it. I did find a specific recommendation for Strawberry Kush in relation to Alzheimer's.

On the Pulmonary disease I got nothing. The video already linked appears to be the best out there right now. Isn't that just sad? My gut feeling is to go with a high CBD for both. Without any real data behind us we're feeling our way through. I've watched that video and I'm curious: when she says "CBD at 30%" she's talking about the ratio? I know of no strain that has a content of 30% CBD. If so , then I'd start with a balanced 1:1 strain. I have two in my tent now and this summer there's at least one breeder (Dinafem) that's offering a new line of high CBD autos that are being tested on another site.

Geez, we need to legalize. This stuff should be at our fingertips by now.
 
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SweetSue said:
Yeah, I know one of the defining factors is THC at or beyond, or very close to 20% content.

So we're looking for high THC, high yield. Those are the basics.
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A study abstract I read yesterday tested 50 Dementia patients, half received a placebo and half received THC via a pill (probably capsule)
The conclusion of the study after three weeks treating everyone 3 times per day was that there was no significant improvement of symptoms in the patients who received the THC alone.
So that tells me that a high THC level in the Dementia and Alzheimers category is not what is optimum. Hence the CBD comes in....
I can find that abstract...but that's the base of it.

:circle-of-love:

Corrected: It was 3 weeks
 
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I've been in and out of this thread for my mother and I, but for the first time I'm sitting here crying. Let me explain.

My ex-husband, his father and I are close. I didn't say his mother because his mother has frontotemperal dementia. She's not even fifty yet, and will never leave the hospital. They've given her maybe 3 years.

After reading, I searched her disease and cannabis. If we could provide homecare, I could help her. They won't let her leave though. My heart is literally breaking right now that I can't do anything for her. I can't save my kids' grandmother, because of a prohibition. Even though cannabis is a proven miracle plant, I can't save her with it. The bloody government won't save her, and they could. They could.
 
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Dennise said:
Super I think what you are remembeing is Cajun saying that to cure cancer you need greater than 20% THC... It was in a post referring to his own cure... I just don't remember which journal I read it in but it was Cajun....:circle-of-love:
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Thanks D. I think you may be right. I just know the 20% thing stuck in my brain. :) :circle-of-love::peace:
 

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