Cannabis Oil Users Cafe & Lounge

[Lady Cannafan]

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Hi Dennise,
The main reason I want this to work is to reclaim the alcohol without damaging my oil. We can't get that proof of alcohol here, and ordering online with shipping is a killer. (not to mention against the law to get it here)

The other reason, as I showed earlier, is the water distillation. That's a personal preference here based on my water issues. (Yeah, I think the Flint michigan folks should all be awarded distillers after what was done to them as well. I'm not near Flint though.)

What I noticed about the green oil machine instructions is this:

When alcohol reclaim slows, open top to check oil. If 95% of alcohol is gone, unplug top/fan, remove, turn machine down to 70 Celsius for final alcohol purge, stirring with spatula to help release remaining alcohol.
8. Oil is complete when it reaches desired consistency.

They are actually doing the whole oil process in the unit.

It is nice that the temperature is adjustable. It's also expensive as altainta said.

I think these things are an Alibaba buy in bulk unit. Buy a ton of them, put your company name on them and call them what you want. But if it's going to save me a ton of money on solvent and put out good oil, then it's definitely worth it for me.

 

[circuit]

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Does anyone know what "modification" is done to the water distiller, to turn it into an alcohol unit? Since I use it for this purpose exclusively, a single temp to process alcohol is all I need. I'll measure the internal bottom temp next time, just to see what it is. And ditto on the watch out out warning when lifting the lid, that hot alcohol vapor is intense and probably very flammable. i sent an email to the Canadian company asking, but they wouldn't say and couldn't confirm that anything was done to these units. I would worry that the water unit would scorch the extract. This unit has been working fine, but the lab equipment approach would sure be the way to go if you can justify the cost. I saw a Rotovap being used in the Stanley operation on CNN's Weed program. It looks like the very best extractions could be realized with such a device, not only an excellent recovery of solvent, but also a continuously rotating glass container in an accurately controlled water bath... This would be the way to do a low temp extraction that can include terpenes. Been trolling the resellers of labware and see that a few thousand bucks is needed to get one. Wish I could just borrow one for a week.

 

[wildjim]

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Hi Dennise,
The main reason I want this to work is to reclaim the alcohol without damaging my oil. We can't get that proof of alcohol here, and ordering online with shipping is a killer. (not to mention against the law to get it here)

The other reason, as I showed earlier, is the water distillation. That's a personal preference here based on my water issues. (Yeah, I think the Flint michigan folks should all be awarded distillers after what was done to them as well. I'm not near Flint though.)

What I noticed about the green oil machine instructions is this:



They are actually doing the whole oil process in the unit.

It is nice that the temperature is adjustable. It's also expensive as altainta said.

I think these things are an Alibaba buy in bulk unit. Buy a ton of them, put your company name on them and call them what you want.

I noticed the nutriteam folks that sell mine also sell the thermal switch.

I don't know if it is decarbing the oil. It never reaches 250F.

The thermal switch is a replacement part. It doesn't allow you to regulate temp except at 212F. It makes sure the unit doesn't overheat.

WJ

 

[SweetSue]

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My understanding, as Cajun explained it, was that the essential oil unit was a closed system, whereas the water distiller unit wasn't, so there was the concern of venting gasses.

 

[circuit]

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The extract must decarb a little during the heating of the still and alcohol recovery, but not much. After pouring out the extract I need to decarb in the oven, I use 248f, and it takes 30-60 minutes. I am certain about the need for further decarb, thanks to tips from Graywolf at SkunkPharm. His suggestion about observing the decarb by watching the bubbles is an excellent way to know when the peak conversion is reached.

 

[SweetSue]

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The extract must decarb a little during the heating of the still and alcohol recovery, but not much. After pouring out the extract I need to decarb in the oven, I use 248f, and it takes 30-60 minutes. I am certain about the need for further decarb, thanks to tips from Graywolf at SkunkPharm. His suggestion about observing the decarb by watching the bubbles is an excellent way to know when the peak conversion is reached.

Neat picture. Can you share those thoughts on the bubble action you're looking for that would suggest peak conversion? From previous research a couple years ago I learned that thirty minutes is the timeframe you want for decarbing. When I bake my buds for brownies that's always been my stopping point, using an oven preheated to 225F. I need to find that info and share it, but those notes are at home and I won't be there until next Wednesday. Maybe I can track it down on line.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

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I don't know if it is decarbing the oil. It never reaches 250F.

The thermal switch is a replacement part. It doesn't allow you to regulate temp except at 212F. It makes sure the unit doesn't overheat.

WJ

Good point on the decarb. I would think it would be tough getting the oil out of the unit when it's ready as well.

Yeah, I realized that on the thermal switch and edited my post. It's a replacement.
Here's the inside of my distiller top, the little hole that Cajun was talking about. Very tiny, and I had to remove the outer housing of the lid to see it: (easy, 4 screws)

 

[circuit]

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The smell produced by the counter top still is very strong. I worry that a neighbor might catch a whiff and call the cops about a meth lab, so bake cookies at the same time. More cookies on decarb day too. This is not illegal here, but I do need to preserve relations in the 'hood. Wanna cookie?

Just checked lid of the still and do not see any sort of vent, just the single hole that leads to the condenser and outlet.

 

[Mighty Mouse]

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Good point on the decarb. I would think it would be tough getting the oil out of the unit when it's ready as well.

Yeah, I realized that on the thermal switch and edited my post. It's a replacement.
Here's the inside of my distiller top, the little hole that Cajun was talking about. Very tiny, and I had to remove the outer housing of the lid to see it: (easy, 4 screws)

So this is the water distiller rather than the oil distiller?

 

[circuit]

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Cannafan, I will remove the cover on mine and see if those holes are sealed. Thanks for finding this. I think that it is safe to seal those holes because the lid is just gravity-seated on top and could lift if there was an overpressure condition, like a blocked outlet.

Edit- Just checked and can see no evidence of hole or a patch, so this may have been factory designed for alcohol. I'll do an temp check next time.

 

[wildjim]

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My understanding, as Cajun explained it, was that the essential oil unit was a closed system, whereas the water distiller unit wasn't, so there was the concern of venting gasses.

Those are low pressure gases produced when the unit starts to heat up. When distilling water the temp has to get to 212. Lower for alcohol. When the unit gets to operation temperature there are no low pressure gases, just steam. My unit doesn't have the hole that Cannafan's has, as shown in her photograph. Mine has an air gap between the evaporation tube and the glass carbon filter holder in the nozzle. I don't know why the difference in hers and mine. Mine is a MH943S.

Another thing I just found is: Quote: Using up to 60% isopropyl alcohol for extraction has been approved by testing against leaking seals. Using higher percentages may cause leaking in the main seal.

That makes me think. The mail seal is made of silicone in my machine. I will keep mine anyway.

WJ

 

[SweetSue]

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We're all lab rats at this point aren't we? The data we accumulate is going to be so valuable going forward. I'm humbled to be in the company of so many intelligent, creative and resourceful personalities.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

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So this is the water distiller rather than the oil distiller?

Yes, I have verified mine is not a modified unit. It is the water distiller model MH943TWS

And my main seal is silicone as well WJ.

Here's a description of what the vent hole is for:

All good water distillers have a "Volatile / Gaseous Vent" incorporated into the beginning of the stainless steel condensing coil, to prevent Volatile Gases contaminating the pure distilled water, by releasing any volitile gases into the atmosphere.

Which is why I'll keep mine near that stove exhaust fan.

 

[wildjim]

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My Proof and Tralles arrived. The proof of my reclaimed Everclear is approximately 192 after deducting 5 for temp over 60, my temp is 72. I will have to give proof of reclaimed vodka at a later time. I am distilling water now and I have to get some 80 proof vodka somewhere.

WJ

 

[circuit]

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My unit says 320W, but does not have a model number. The box says water distiller, but the factory probably has just the one type of box. i think it safe to assume that the 320W model is for alcohol.

 

[Curly Beaver]

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I make my tinctures with my MB machine and I am truly satisfied with the product I get using the veg glycerin and lecithin for emulsion and it works as a bit of a preservative...

Dennise, I have some glycerin on the way, and lecithin in the cupboard. What kind of proportions do you like, and at what point do you add the lecithin? I have only made it with alcohol so far.
Thanks

 

[Mighty Mouse]

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My Proof and Tralles arrived. The proof of my reclaimed Everclear is approximately 192 after deducting 5 for temp over 60, my temp is 72. I will have to give proof of reclaimed vodka at a later time. I am distilling water now and I have to get some 80 proof vodka somewhere.

WJ

I am looking forward to your reclaimed vodka test as I have a couple of large bottles of vodka left over from making tumeric and ginger root tinture. If it works well it will save me having to locate more everclear for a while.

 

[wildjim]

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Yes, I have verified mine is not a modified unit. It is the water distiller model MH943TWS

And my main seal is silicone as well WJ.

Here's a description of what the vent hole is for:
All good water distillers have a "Volatile / Gaseous Vent" incorporated into the beginning of the stainless steel condensing coil, to prevent Volatile Gases contaminating the pure distilled water, by releasing any volitile gases into the atmosphere.


Which is why I'll keep mine near that stove exhaust fan.

Hey Cannafan!
Where did you find the description of what the vent hole is for?

WJ

 

[Curly Beaver]

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My Proof and Tralles arrived. The proof of my reclaimed Everclear is approximately 192 after deducting 5 for temp over 60, my temp is 72. I will have to give proof of reclaimed vodka at a later time. I am distilling water now and I have to get some 80 proof vodka somewhere.

WJ

Jim,
Did you start with 151? If so, that is excellent news!

 

[wildjim]

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Jim,
Did you start with 151? If so, that is excellent news!

Sorry BeaverIslander. I started with 192 Everclear.