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ps I was answering you're questions in order and seen the med list you're where taking at the end of your post. My bad.
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Hi help4dad,
There is several factors I need to know. Is he taking pain patches or other meds? Who made the concentrated oil and what solvent was used? Has you're Dad been through chemo? And lastly what stage/type of cancer? If he took too large of a dose and became euphoric (high) he could of had nausea from not hydrating and eating and left unchecked could cause vomiting and headaches especially with pain meds on an empty stomach. Have you're Dad hydrate and eat, sleep well and start again in the morning.
If you're Dad follows the dosing procedure on the instructional tutorial he will learn the correct way to take his RSO. You might be interested in the tutorial link on my signature also. We can move forward when you answer the few questions so I can collect more information. Also always eat first, brush the teeth and rinse before you're first dose. Always take the RSO before any man made medications. Review the dosing instructions several times to make sure everything is understood. I would like to point out it is normal without proper instructions (most say to eat the concentrate) to become euphoric. Read the threads in this topic also as it covers a lot of important information. He will need you're help to review the instructions. I would also suggest to stay off the web or anyone that tells you to digest the concentrate without taking it properly.
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Motoco
Thank you for responding.
Dad has non-small cell lung cancer. First diagnosed in 2008. Had surgery and nothing else (no chemo, no radiation). He relied on vitamins and silver water treatment to stay well. Was great until last year when we learned the cancer metastasized to the brain (very similar to Valerie Harper). Has had 2 surgeries on the brain to remove tumors. Again, no chemo and no radiation. Cancer is back and we have decided to continue to try to fight it naturally using RSO. (FYI - scans show that cancer is only in the brain right now, nowhere else)
We made the oil ourselves using Everclear and following the instructions on the Run From the Cure site. In retrospect, may not have left the oil on the coffee warmer long enough...hard to tell as we were very anxious and didn't want to overheat. (We decarbed in oven before doing the wash - 240 F for about 35 minutes)
Dad is not taking any meds other than your standard blood pressure and sugar regulating meds. He is also taking a lot of vitamins to help boost the immune system. No chemo and no "cancer" meds.
It is very hard to say if dad was ever high. He's a newbie and seems to have a very high tolerance for all drugs. But, nausea has been around for the last couple of days and won't seem to go away even though it does appear to be lessening. He says he can still "taste" the oil. We have now gone a little over a day without taking the RSO again because we don't want to make him worse.
Not sure what's going on...
Very grateful for your help.
Hi help4dad,
Thank you for you're response. If you're Dad digested the oil on an empty stomach and the concentrate had too much Everclear left over that could of contributed also to being nauseous. As mentioned, left untreated it could of escalated. It also could of been a virus/flu/stomach flu, etc. Did you see how much you're Dad digested? In the future make sure you're Dad eats before taking any medications. Also taking the concentrate with blood pressure meds can cause the same effect also if the oil is digested instead of the dosing method described in the tutorial on page one. Make sure you're Dad eats and rest right now until he feels better. Normally on the concentrate I would suggest he took a little more if he had a flu bug etc. to feel better (if it was taken correctly).
I have some questions about you're concentrate you made. Did you get the cannabis for you're Dad? Did you use flower/bud only? Do you smoke MJ? I am asking this so if you do you could smoke some of the concentrate to check its potency. If you are sure its 'top shelf' quality that won't be necessary, but is a way to confirm if you're unsure. What you stated about decarboxylation process it was done at the start and then at the finish of making the concentrate. I never seen that on Rick Simpsons site. If you are unsure how the oil turned out and you have more surplus I would try making the concentrate the way the instructions are on the tutorial that is linked to my signature. If you follow that to the letter and follow the dosing tutorial following that you're Dad will be back on track in no time.
It is very important to remain calm. Please read all you can in this thread from top to bottom (except about the horse/vet). Educate yourself as well as you're Father. What is you're Dad's age? Is his strength good or is he weak? Also always start the day taking the concentrate after breakfast. The concentrate will control his blood pressure. If he still wants to take his blood pressure meds make sure he takes it after he doses correctly using the concentrate. I mentioned this before but it is important. You should try the concentrate without the blood pressure meds for a day and see if that makes a difference. Actually it is like taking a double dose of blood pressure meds and can make you dizzy, nauseous and throw up also.
You have complete instructions on the correct way to make and apply the concentrate. Use these, have you're Dad work his way up properly. Again, pay attention on hydrating, eating, dosing, basically a strict regimen. If this is done correctly and the concentrate is made right you can get back on track now. Again, keep in mind if you digest the concentrate without 'tacking' to you're gums first with taking the blood pressure meds it could cause you're Dad to pass out. He will not overdose from the concentrate but fall and substance injuries. Not throwing a 'scare' tactic out there but want to insure complete safety.
We want to get back on track with the RSO. Start small and work you're way up. Even at the start small doses have a big impact on stalling the cancer. Just make sure the concentrate STICKS to his gums a few times when he applies each dose. Soon those spots will remain sticky and the concentrate will apply much easier.
Please keep me updated on his progress. Any concerns you have please ask. I check this thread as often as I can.
Motoco
Thank you for the quick response. I've read this chart and 240-250 degrees is correct. Next time I would do the decarboxylation at the end. As the chart explains exposure to heat more than needed degrades the potency of the oil. Not disputing you cannot do it twice, I get excellent results with one at the end (How To Make Concentrated Cannabis Oil). I base my decarboxylation of the same basic info. O.K. we have the concentrate issue potency solved.
Two grains of rice is too much to start with 3 times a day and you're Dads system was overloaded and most likely ate too much. It is good to see him relatively strong and working. Once he takes the concentrate correctly he will notice a big change in his well being. Pay attention. When dosing correctly he will not feel much different than when he feels normal. THE MEDICINE IS WORKING, keep working his way up slowly. If done correctly in approximately 5 weeks he will be up to a gram a day with no issues. You're Dad will learn how the oil works shortly. Do you know what the strain of MJ was? Sativa dominant/50-50/or Indica dominant? If you can please clarify.
Resting as much as possible is a great healer in its own right. A nap during the day is recommended. Basically if you're Dad feels tired he should rest then and not wait. I understand people don't like changes, habits are hard to break and it sounds like he is a very regimen type of person. He is one year older than me so he has a lot of life left in him.
There is a TON of info on the net. Unfortunately most has been edited to a point I rarely seek any thing off the net. You're choice. This is exactly why this tutorial was put in place. Vague instructions or incorrect information can be very misleading, just a heads up.
Blood pressure is very easily monitored. That also can be a helpful decision maker. Never completely stop at once. A pill cutter is handy so as the blood pressure is monitored and is too low simply cut a quarter of the pill off. If need be keep going till it is at a stable level.
Cannot think of nothing else at the moment. I am fully confident if the concentrate is taken correctly you're Dad will be very happy with the results. He sounds like he is in very good hands between you and you're Mother. Just tell him any nauseous feeling or hunger pains hydrate and snack. It doesn't have to be a lot, just something. I use to not drink much water either but using the concentrate you need to. A easy reminder is when he urinates, drink. Dehydration can really mess you're system up and also cause nausea and throwing up, weak and tired. I know I may sound redundant on this but it is very important in the healing process.
Any hiccup along the way you haven't read please post. If there is none would you please be kind enough to share his progress? It would be greatly appreciated and would help others. Good or bad.
Thank you very much,
Motoco
Motoco,
Thanks for answering back. I'm in the SF Valley. I contacted Rick through an email address I found. He didn't say whether it was for the 'whole' treatment or not. I assumed it was the 60 grams treatment.
I don't have any other friends who are into cannabis right now who could make the oil. I'm not in pain right now, so don't really need the smoke, but want to kill off the cancer with some oil. I was contacted by a company in the OC who quoted me around $2800 for the oils. Do i need to get all the oil at one time, or can I pick up a month's supply at first, start the treatment, and then get some more later? Or is the availability so dicey that it's best to get it all at once?
best,
Jeffmgr
Motoco - help4dad here. Dad is doing OK. Seems to look good sometimes and other times, not so much.
Question - his nausea has subsided with the new dosing procedure, but now he's complaining of headaches. Cancer has metastasized to the brain so obviously VERY concerned. But, I was under the impression that the oil would help with headaches generally so wondering if there is anything that could be causing this or anything else we should know about or do...?
As always, thanks.
help4dad, could you tell me what his dosing regimen is now? Is you're dad eating/hydrating correctly now? Sleeping regular? Severe allergies? Normally headaches do not occur on the concentrate (very minor if present on the concentrate). It could be the OG Kush was harvested at peak THC and has little to no CBDs. CBDs play a huge role in shrinking tumors (especially in the brain region) and removing inflammation. You have to remember also you're Dads system immunity system is weaker than normal, it could be as stated, simple allergies, cold, flu, etc. You're Dad might need to rest more. Rule of thumb, feeling tired get some rest. Not latter, now. Did these headaches come on in between dosing? Also keep in mind, if he is hydrating/eating properly and the nausea is gone a simple 'booster' dose is needed. I want to repeat this; hydrating/eating properly and feeling off, take a 'booster' dose. just a quarter of a dose as NEEDED. Do a check list and evaluate. Keep on a strict regimen and give a day or two and check back.
Motoco
Wingnut,
I think it's very generous of you to offer to share with cancer patients any extra oil that you make. I was just diagnosed with pancreatic cancer a few weeks ago, and started my chemo treatments. I'm in SoCal, and don't know where to get some of the RSO, but on my week off from chemo next week, I'm coming up north to visit my uncle and cousin. I'll be coming through the Bay area, and I would like to stay in contact with you in case you do have some oil that you can share with this patient.
best,
Jeffmgr
help4dad, Lets try this. 1/2 grain of rice 6x a day. Every 2 hours a half grain of rice. Also before dosing hydrate and eat. Between normal meals, make sure you're dad eats something before dosing (snack a cracker or two, fruit cup, etc.).
I know the stubborn routine very well (especially the doting). However he will need to change that. Sleep and rest is huge in the healing process. Also instill confidence. If he see's everyone worrying it shows negativity. There are going to be different feelings throughout the healing process. Does not mean its the cancer. Bottom line is the concentrate is a marvelous healer but it doesn't feed, hydrate and sleep for you. You're Dad is going to have to learn to feel what his body is saying. Try the new dosing regimen and make sure something is eaten/drink BEFORE dosing and lets go from here. It seems to me he is running his body down throwing off the healing regimen. Time to change his lifestyle somewhat. Nap at lunch? When ever he can rest. Vacation from work? Small sacrifices now makes the heal faster so he can get back to his normal routine. Prioritize is key.
Motoco
Contact you're source and ask if he knows how it was grown. I think its o.k. Try the snack's in between main meals (always eat something before dosing).