Cannabis Oil Dosing Tutorial: Tacking Method

Hi SmokesDaKush,

I love honesty. You wouldn't believe what I go through helping people (locally) that are not honest (like keeping their addictions from me). If your ill and need to get help, why lie? Its your health, right, lol. So thank you for your honesty, much appreciated.

So you have been bitten by the 'I like the feel when I eat it' bug. If you don't have serious aliments that need proper healing, you can eat the oil and become euphoric. I will guarantee you would not be eating a gram of oil I make :), if you do you won't respond for a couple of days. Here is the deal. When simply digesting without getting to the CB1 receptors first is nothing more than like taking a man-made med (of course its natural). Its a temporary fix and in many cases can have adverse affects with man-made meds. I've taken many notes on patients and have seen firsthand aliments come back when digesting the oil only.

When first starting I liked to digest a small amount for sleep (only had sativa pretty much the 1st year). Once having Indica oil also then I stopped and its been quite sometime since just digesting a small amount. This past friday night I took my nighttime and had a munchie right afterwards (duh) and it carried down before being seated to the CB1 receptors. I've healed so much taking the oil correctly I was like a virgin again to the oil. Strapped on the space suit and went exploring. This time I knew how to come down and dosed a small amount of sativa (more experiments).

Note: What to expect when dosing correctly; you don't feel euphoric so many times people don't think the oil is working. Think about this; you just made some private reserve concentrate coming in at a hefty 90% THC, you took a grain of rice and digested it. You went traveling with after burners on. Now you take it the correct way (same amount) no high, alert, bright-eyed and busy tailed. You still have the 90% THC in you, what do you think its doing? This is the correct way for the concentrate to heal properly.

I still enjoy my beloved 'herb' in flower form, concentrated oil. I only smoke after all is done through the day. I earn my 'treat' so to speak. Time and place for everything but the fact of the matter is I don't like messing with my wellness feeling during the day. I stay productive as much as I can. Yes, I've loved my herb for a long time, I hope to love my 'oil' for a long time also if I can help it.

You will see if taken correctly.

ps I won't be around much today with lots of errands to do.



SmokesDaKush said:
Absolutely helps Motoco! I typically cheat and just blend my oil into pre-made hemp based products mostly balms n such. I have yet to start with the tacking procedure but I plan on doing so. This was the most interesting thing I found in here as I have never heard of it before now. Only thing I suppose I would like to get before starting is a better solvent such as you suggested. It should be farely easy for me as I can easily consume over a gram of oil a day. I typically have to take a tolerance break and usually do so when I reach 1.5 to 2 grams a day. My ocd kicks in a little because I am burning through my flowers and the fear of running out kicks in. So usually a week or two break allows me to get under a gram daily for a few.

I will be completely honest Motoco, I rather enjoy the feelings from eating it and was under the impression that I could have the best of both worlds. Something about it just makes me feel normal as i would say. Motivated, happy, calm, less pain and just overall better quality feeling of life.

I saw your previous comment and I apologize if my questions came through at a wrong time or if I missed a mention of you relaxing up a bit in here. Your time is very much appreciated and best of luck to you with your personal endeavors.
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Hi Angel, No need to apologize. Sorry to hear that you 2 are having a hard time. And also that your husband is having so much pain. 7 lb weight gain in just 3 days?? That sounds like too much. Is he retaining fluid anywhere?? Do they know what is causing the back pain?? I wonder if the stent could be causing it by causing a spasm in the esophagus. The same nerve system that runs the esophagus also runs throughout chest, gallbladder and upper back which means he could have pain that is radiating from one place to another. Sorry but the RN side of me has a lot of questions now.

I agree with Motoco to try foods that are easy on the tummy. Vanilla boost always worked for my husband and seemed to settle well on his stomach. Of course he doesn't have cancer of the stomach either. Have you thought about reaching out for help for someone to come into your house if even for a couple of hours at a time?? I am Worried about you staying healthy enough to take care of him. Please get some rest somehow. I will keep you in my prayers.


My husband is hanging in there. I really cannot complain right now. We are waiting for a harvest to ramp up on the medication/oil.

AngelWarrior said:
Hi SmallCell,

Thank you!

We are hanging in there. Everyday brings new challenges.

My husband was released from the hospital last Thursday. After they inserted two stints, he is eating and able to drink again. Has gained back 7 pounds so far. Still very weak and has been dealing with back pain the last few days.

Last night he got sick and is losing his appetite. Like I said, everyday a new challenge. *sigh*

I am getting little to know rest due to his being not able to sleep. It's a house of zombies here.

On top of it all, our pups are acting up because of the complete up ending of the household.

Venting just a bit, sorry.

Hope all is well with you and your husband.
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Hi Motoco, Hope you are doing better. I have a question. My husband is tacking 2 to 3 times a day just a grain of rice size at a time. We will stay at this dosage until we have harvest of our own. The question is about the tack sites. He has been so careful with them (not to swallow it) too careful. When it is time to dose again he still has some oil left in place. I tell him to go ahead and wipe it off and swallow it. I am thinking he needs that in his system. He wants to just wipe it off his gums with a paper towel or something. He is thinking his gums will have absorbed all the good stuff out of it by then. It's not just a stained area, I can wipe it out with my finger. I want to tell him that if any is still left after an hour or so to try and swallow it? I don't want the oil to be wasted by him brushing it out with a tooth brush or wiping it out with a paper towel. So who is right?? Him or me?? LOL
 
Hi fghtsmallcell, that's interesting. I've never had any leftovers after tacking but I tend to tack smaller amounts by breaking each grain of rice into 4 tacks. I only avoid eating/drinking for a relatively short period of time ~45 to an hour but after that I just let nature take its course so I just continue with normal snacking, drinking etc and don't worry about it. This way of tacking has never caused me euphoria so I think it's safe to assume that it's just fine. I'd be curious to hear Moto's notes on this since it's never come up for me before.

P.S. I ALWAYS HAVE A DRINK AND SMALL SNACK OR A MEAL BEFORE TACKING WITH THE OIL
 
Yikes! No, it was 7 pounds in a week.

That's interesting to know about the nerves. Frustrating that no one at the hospital could suggest that.

Any suggestions to help ease it at all? He needs rest so badly.



fghtsmallcell said:
Hi Angel, No need to apologize. Sorry to hear that you 2 are having a hard time. And also that your husband is having so much pain. 7 lb weight gain in just 3 days?? That sounds like too much. Is he retaining fluid anywhere?? Do they know what is causing the back pain?? I wonder if the stent could be causing it by causing a spasm in the esophagus. The same nerve system that runs the esophagus also runs throughout chest, gallbladder and upper back which means he could have pain that is radiating from one place to another. Sorry but the RN side of me has a lot of questions now.

I agree with Motoco to try foods that are easy on the tummy. Vanilla boost always worked for my husband and seemed to settle well on his stomach. Of course he doesn't have cancer of the stomach either. Have you thought about reaching out for help for someone to come into your house if even for a couple of hours at a time?? I am Worried about you staying healthy enough to take care of him. Please get some rest somehow. I will keep you in my prayers.


My husband is hanging in there. I really cannot complain right now. We are waiting for a harvest to ramp up on the medication/oil.
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Hello, glad the weight gain was not so fast. LOL Yes, it is all in the same bundle of nerves, esophageal spasm can feel like a heart attack with chest pain or pain in back between shoulder blades, also up in jaw. I don't know why they did not tell you that. Did he have the pain while in the hospital?? If so, how did they treat it?? If that is what is going on and the stent is causing the spasm then you cannot treat the cause, you are really only left with treating the pain. I think there are meds that can be used to prevent spasms but I don't know if they would work in his case. If I remember correctly those meds are actually blood pressure meds. You could try some TUMS to see if there is some reflux going on which could also cause the pain. Anxiety can also trigger it. There are also some drugs that have the side effect of causing smooth muscles to contract which is what the esophagus is. If I remember correctly your husband is not on any meds.

Now from an RSO stand point I wonder if oil high in CBD could help with relaxing that muscle. We know that it is the best pain med and an anti-inflammatory, But is it also a muscle relaxer??

If the pain is new or if his doctor does not know about it, I would make a phone call to inform them and to ask questions about it. Make sure that this pain is normal. If the pain is severe enough that he cannot sleep then it is not being controlled and needs to be addressed one way or another. Good luck. I need to work on getting high CBD also.

AngelWarrior said:
Yikes! No, it was 7 pounds in a week.

That's interesting to know about the nerves. Frustrating that no one at the hospital could suggest that.

Any suggestions to help ease it at all? He needs rest so badly.
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Hi Budnob, This left over oil just started a couple days ago and I have noticed he hasn't been eating as much. I finally figured out today what was really going on with him. He quit taking his decadron cold turkey 3 days ago!!! Stubborn man. He knows better than that but was determined to get through the nasty side effects. I knew something was going south but today he wouldn't get out of bed and was very sick. He did not eat at all yesterday and so far nothing today. I am getting him straightened back up and hopefully this evening he will eat and I can give him his tack. He is already feeling better since I talked him into taking the decadron. I really want him off that drug but we need to wait till we have enough oil and then he has to ween off slowly.

budnoob2 said:
Hi fghtsmallcell, that's interesting. I've never had any leftovers after tacking but I tend to tack smaller amounts by breaking each grain of rice into 4 tacks. I only avoid eating/drinking for a relatively short period of time ~45 to an hour but after that I just let nature take its course so I just continue with normal snacking, drinking etc and don't worry about it. This way of tacking has never caused me euphoria so I think it's safe to assume that it's just fine. I'd be curious to hear Moto's notes on this since it's never come up for me before.

P.S. I ALWAYS HAVE A DRINK AND SMALL SNACK OR A MEAL BEFORE TACKING WITH THE OIL
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Sneaky little buggers we patients can be, eh :) I'm glad you're getting him back on track but I'd probably want to give him a swift kick in the butt if I were you right now - it's not safe to do cold turkey like that...
 
LOL when he is feeling better we will have a "little talk" He is lucky he is so pretty. LOL
 
Hi fghtsmallcell,

Your right of course! He hasn't learned that yet? Wondering if he is applying enough pressure when 'tacking'? Budnoob has it right, tacking smaller amounts insure's a better application and by putting it in different places reduces buildups. That being said, if any amounts are left on his gums after a half an hour after his initial tack and what he has tacked is in his cb1 receptors then he can take the rest that is on there and swallow it. I know, your thinking 'Motoco' you said swallowing is not productive, right? lol. Once you have oil to your cb1 receptors it controls everything you swallow, yep, your brain tells the oil where it is needed. Your just squeezing more and more out of me, lolol. That being said you want to make sure its seated in the cb1 receptors well before swallowing any oil. Basically your gums only can absorb so much, the trick is to make sure its upstairs before downstairs. Also in between doses have him wipe off any left on his gums and reapply for the safest way. But breaking a grain of rice into 4 tacks is much more manageable and is the safest. I've accidently took a 1/3 of a gram in a test I did and actually tacked a little, couldn't decide what I wanted to do as it was a test on how people could become used to just digesting high grade oil and decided to go forward with the test 15 minutes later and guess what? Keep in mind I was in a safe environment (bed) waiting for the blast-off and there was none, lol. Upstairs first, anywhere else latter.

Never waste precious oil! I treasure every spec of it. And you are correct, once tacked, make it all count :)

Motoco

fghtsmallcell said:
Hi Motoco, Hope you are doing better. I have a question. My husband is tacking 2 to 3 times a day just a grain of rice size at a time. We will stay at this dosage until we have harvest of our own. The question is about the tack sites. He has been so careful with them (not to swallow it) too careful. When it is time to dose again he still has some oil left in place. I tell him to go ahead and wipe it off and swallow it. I am thinking he needs that in his system. He wants to just wipe it off his gums with a paper towel or something. He is thinking his gums will have absorbed all the good stuff out of it by then. It's not just a stained area, I can wipe it out with my finger. I want to tell him that if any is still left after an hour or so to try and swallow it? I don't want the oil to be wasted by him brushing it out with a tooth brush or wiping it out with a paper towel. So who is right?? Him or me?? LOL
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Speaking of which, how is the hubby feeling. To me just picking up on your vibes he is back to his old ornery self, lol. Tks fghtsmallcell

fghtsmallcell said:
LOL when he is feeling better we will have a "little talk" He is lucky he is so pretty. LOL
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Oh yea, muscle relaxer big time. I'm more limber now than 20 years ago. So yes for another win for the cannabis concentrated oil :)

fghtsmallcell said:
Hello, glad the weight gain was not so fast. LOL Yes, it is all in the same bundle of nerves, esophageal spasm can feel like a heart attack with chest pain or pain in back between shoulder blades, also up in jaw. I don't know why they did not tell you that. Did he have the pain while in the hospital?? If so, how did they treat it?? If that is what is going on and the stent is causing the spasm then you cannot treat the cause, you are really only left with treating the pain. I think there are meds that can be used to prevent spasms but I don't know if they would work in his case. If I remember correctly those meds are actually blood pressure meds. You could try some TUMS to see if there is some reflux going on which could also cause the pain. Anxiety can also trigger it. There are also some drugs that have the side effect of causing smooth muscles to contract which is what the esophagus is. If I remember correctly your husband is not on any meds.

Now from an RSO stand point I wonder if oil high in CBD could help with relaxing that muscle. We know that it is the best pain med and an anti-inflammatory, But is it also a muscle relaxer??

If the pain is new or if his doctor does not know about it, I would make a phone call to inform them and to ask questions about it. Make sure that this pain is normal. If the pain is severe enough that he cannot sleep then it is not being controlled and needs to be addressed one way or another. Good luck. I need to work on getting high CBD also.
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I have a question fghtsmallcell, you said it just has been happening the last few days (oil build-up)? Has the weather been cooler? Its either that (colder the gums, they don't absorb the oil as fast) or simply not enough pressure. Sounds like hubby is getting a little lazy on his tacking, lol. T/C
 
Thanks budnoob2, That is really good to know. Once I get my husband taken care of I will be able to use it for myself also. I have some back issues that I am trying to afford surgery and when it flares up with pain and spasms I have to resort to a medicine cabinet for relief that doesn't really do the job very well.
budnoob2 said:
Yes, CBD, THC, and CBN all have antispasmodic qualities with most evidence pointing to CBD providing the greatest benefit.
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LOL I knew I was right. He is not getting lazy. Or maybe I should say he is still lazy. The fact is, I have not been able to talk him into doing the tack himself. I know how strange that sounds but I am working on him slowly to get comfortable with the idea of doing it himself. Because once we are able to ramp up to 1 gram a day, I might resent the fact that I have to do this simple thing for him every 2 hours when he should be capable of doing it himself. That being said, I am prepared to continue to do it for him anyway. He has some short term memory issues that just might get in the way of him doing it successfully by himself. And he does trust that I know what I am doing with this.
So I really think the bottom line problem started with him stopping decadron. His pain increased dramatically, Headaches got a lot worse along with other muscle pain and neuropathy issues. His energy level bottom out and yesterday he lost his appetite. Since I did not know how bad his symptoms really were, I went ahead with tacking the oil but he was not drinking and eating. He thought he could sneak that one past me. We do have a pretty good system for tacking him that seems to be working well. I go ahead with the whole grain of rice on my finger (which is heated up with hair dryer) He dries his gum area and then I kinda of dab and smear a little at a time until it is all gone. This ends up with 3-4 different tack areas. But doing it this way also leaves a small glob of oil in each spot. He is very good about keeping it there and takes nothing by mouth for at least 30 minutes usually longer. This has always help to dislodge any extra and it goes down with food or liquids. When he lost his appetite, That changed and the dabs were staying put. I have not mastered your way of tacking with applying the pressure. It just does not want to come off my finger and onto his gum. So I just have been sticking what is working for us and he has no euphoria. I have read so many of your post not just in these 2 threads but on many others and you have posted that is was indeed ok to swallow or take in any other way as long as you get to the CB1 receptors first. I guess you can say I have been stalking you. LOL I just want to absorb as much info that you are willing to share. Thank you again for you time and patients with us. I think I answered all your questions. If I missed something, please let me know.
420 Motoco said:
Hi fghtsmallcell,

Your right of course! He hasn't learned that yet? Wondering if he is applying enough pressure when 'tacking'? Budnoob has it right, tacking smaller amounts insure's a better application and by putting it in different places reduces buildups. That being said, if any amounts are left on his gums after a half an hour after his initial tack and what he has tacked is in his cb1 receptors then he can take the rest that is on there and swallow it. I know, your thinking 'Motoco' you said swallowing is not productive, right? lol. Once you have oil to your cb1 receptors it controls everything you swallow, yep, your brain tells the oil where it is needed. Your just squeezing more and more out of me, lolol. That being said you want to make sure its seated in the cb1 receptors well before swallowing any oil. Basically your gums only can absorb so much, the trick is to make sure its upstairs before downstairs. Also in between doses have him wipe off any left on his gums and reapply for the safest way. But breaking a grain of rice into 4 tacks is much more manageable and is the safest. I've accidently took a 1/3 of a gram in a test I did and actually tacked a little, couldn't decide what I wanted to do as it was a test on how people could become used to just digesting high grade oil and decided to go forward with the test 15 minutes later and guess what? Keep in mind I was in a safe environment (bed) waiting for the blast-off and there was none, lol. Upstairs first, anywhere else latter.

Never waste precious oil! I treasure every spec of it. And you are correct, once tacked, make it all count :)

Motoco
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420 Motoco said:
Oh yea, muscle relaxer big time. I'm more limber now than 20 years ago. So yes for another win for the cannabis concentrated oil :)
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I really hope she can get his pain under control somehow. It is so unfair that this wonderful oil is so hard to get. Change is coming, but some of us do not have time on our side to wait for the change. Frustrating.
 
You've given me plenty to think about. lol I pretty much knew the answer before I asked, thanks for confirming. Everything your saying makes sense to me as I feel like I have been in several of these situations myself. I plan on giving your tacking method a proper run and have tried with some oil I made the last few days. Seems like I'll have to get used to it as I could't get it to tack right. It also appeared to make my mouth water a bit more which I'm sure didn't help, sorta felt it moving around. I'll get it down though.

My order showed up so I am all ready to go, have a mix of chemdawg, blue dream & bubba kush in the freezer getting ready for my first run. Just need to figure out whether I am going to buy or build a small distiller to reclaim the 190 or not. I read a comment that essentially you would be adding water back into the 190 after re-distilling over and over, so I just trying to figure out if this is accurate. If anyone knows about that it would be a great help. I'm not a drinker...

So once again thanks for all the help and friendliness Motoco. Here's to both of our wellness hey! :high-five:

420 Motoco said:
Most definitely it can be counter productive doing the both at the same time. A great reference to this is Budnoob. and others who ate edibles, oil, ect. before taking the concentrate correctly. Think you feel good euphoric? When done properly the wellness feeling is something you don't want to lose during the day. You will find there is a place for your beloved feeling. On that note I would like to tell you when healing just eating the oil is counter productive. I've seen major illnesses go south just eating the oil. Here is a good example. I had a patient that had throat cancer and thought it was coming back. He started the oil taking it correctly. Went to the Dr. and results came back negative (he was doing it correctly for a couple of months). When he found out the cancer was negative he stopped using it correctly and just ate a 1/2 grain of rice to go to sleep. He called me up a month later and ask why if still taking the oil all his issues with pain and not feeling alert during the day is no longer working. Many test I've done has proved this also. The true heal is taking the oil correctly, digesting the oil only is just like a man-made med only safer of course. Once immuned, it doesn little but still has the euphoria. Kinda like smoking the best bud you ever had, after a while you get used to it. Taking the oil correctly works EVERY time unless you don't eat, hydrate properly and run you system down. "So its no at the same time'. Just remember you haven't tried it correctly yet, so lets wait for the jury to come in on that one. Understand, give it a chance because at the start you do not notice much. But then you just get feeling better and better. Sounds like I'm talking to me, lolol.

Taking off now. Food for thought Brother.

Motoco
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SmokesDaKush,
I wonder if it would help to dry your gum area off a little with some paper towel or something just before tacking? Or maybe stuff some in between your mouth and gums to soak up saliva during that short period? You would look like the "God Father" though....

Just a thought.

:)
 
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