Lol, a lot of the scents and flavours of wine come from terpenes produced by the grapes.
Makes sense that they're similar.
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Makes sense that they're similar.
Danishoes21
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Everything you said I resonate with brother. This knowledge didnt come quick and easy for me, took me years to come to the same path you have just mentioned.
Cannabis aint no different than grapes for wine (as a living thing that reacts to the environment). And yes I do believe In terroir (otherwise why whould places like the emerald triangle exist for Cannabis, and they are working on DOC Controled Denomitaion of Origin).
As the market grows and Cannabis becomes a world wide accepted drug like alcohol and tobacco, places with IDEAL terrior will be on the top of the food chain for taste, smell, shape, psychoactive properties... hense making cannabis something to experience, just like a good bottle of Malbec from Argentina, or a refreshing chardonay from California... Heck Canada may have a chance with Cannabis since the wine here still needs to progress
What I am fascinated about Sativas is that commercial breeders havent genetically stepped on it like they have with Indica varieties, Its too hard to mess around with landrace sativas (if you dont understand terrior). Really good Cannabis requires more than strong chemical nutes, water and lights... Like you said its a composition of terrior, atmospheric condition, and the human intervention, add all that to a finish product and you will get some of the best tasting flower.
It made my day to read your post, not because you kinda validate my point but because you have experimented, discovered and now share it.
So that's 148 C and 180 C.
I have heard a lot about different temps changing the high, but I find high temps kind of harsh. I usually stay at 185 C.
I got a lot higher a lot faster at higher temps, but it didn't taste as good.
I thought the temp to vaporise THC was closer to 160C?
Danishoes21
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Hi there Bluter, please have a look at the link Its a site I use to look at Sunrise and Sunset times photoperiod and many other indicators.
I have used Santa Marta in Colombia ( Colombia is known for the Punto rojo Landrace). I used Santa Marta as a point of reference.
Photoperiod is at 11:30 hours of light starting January, peaks at 12:40 hours of light in June Solstice, then back down again. Bearly an hour of difference the whole year.
Compare it to Canada 18/6 sounds like a pattern from around here.
Sunrise and sunset times in Santa Marta, January 2022
Calculations of sunrise and sunset in Santa Marta – Colombia for January 2022. Generic astronomy calculator to calculate times for sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moonset for many cities, with daylight saving time and time zones taken in account.
www.timeanddate.com
I understand 12/12 photoperiod is for the old school way to grow and cash crop growing. If you want to refine the flower I like to think a different photoperiod is needed.
I also have some adhd, like writting a post like this takes me like an hour... LOL SMOKE IT UP.
Odjob
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My idea of refinement is rosin that turns your brain to mush without taking your breath away. I would smoke diamonds only, if I could. I get bogged down fast when it comes to scientific papers but here's my take on hermaphrodism. Some plants are natural hermaphrodites and express themselves easily with only mild enviromental stress. Others need help to trigger male flowers. GA3 wich is gibberellin, STS, Colloidal Sillver, alkaloids, aspirin, cytokines and hormones are some. Natural ones are changes in photoperiod, root damage, low ph, enviromental shock, cytokines and hormones. Nature is unpredictable and some things you just have to get along with. Now if the government would reimburse my plant count for their herms.
the 18 / 6 is to keep it from triggering. if you run 12 / 12 or close you'll be leaving weight on the table. the plant hits sexual maturity at node 5. that's the node it will trigger on if left at 12 / 12.
it's one of the reasons sativas have such a long indoor flowering period. they are kept in veg longer than in the wild in order to produce bulk.
Zembretti
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Wow, that is an interesting observation Dani, I never thought of doing because I'm an outdoor grower but it makes a lot of sense. I wonder if there's a difference in the final product, either qualitatively or quantitatively. What's your experience with the final buds, are they different when you mimic the exact amount of sunlight in Colombia? Great post Dani.Hi there Bluter, please have a look at the link Its a site I use to look at Sunrise and Sunset times photoperiod and many other indicators.
I have used Santa Marta in Colombia ( Colombia is known for the Punto rojo Landrace). I used Santa Marta as a point of reference.
Photoperiod is at 11:30 hours of light starting January, peaks at 12:40 hours of light in June Solstice, then back down again. Bearly an hour of difference the whole year.
Compare it to Canada 18/6 sounds like a pattern from around here.
Sunrise and sunset times in Santa Marta, January 2022
Calculations of sunrise and sunset in Santa Marta – Colombia for January 2022. Generic astronomy calculator to calculate times for sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moonset for many cities, with daylight saving time and time zones taken in account.www.timeanddate.com
I understand 12/12 photoperiod is for the old school way to grow and cash crop growing. If you want to refine the flower I like to think a different photoperiod is needed.
I also have some adhd, like writting a post like this takes me like an hour... LOL SMOKE IT UP.
Danishoes21
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Its a long story but prior to 2017 I was growing indoors small scale and making seeds. In 2018 I started growing outdoors in BC, I stoped for a while for personal reasons, now I retook where I left.
I gotta say that my indoor grows havent been quantitatively the best, most of the times I grew indoors was to make my own seeds. What I found after many photoperiod test (all in my grows), qualitatively I saw difference in the pheno expression like different leaf pattern, node spacing, calyx to leaf ratio, these are some of the obvious pheno traits that looked different. I had phenos become fox tail, others hermie, others just took it well.
Seems like when the photoperiod doesnt vary that much the plant has a build up of flowering hormones (when they peak maturity) while vegging. I also vegged them form 2-3 months. My stuff was small scale but served me well.
I managed to make one stable cross from a many many tries.
This is a BC Mango (the original bredder says Bc mango is indica dominant at 80%indica, 20% Sativa) I completly change the form of the original pheno.
The Original Bc Mango pheno.
A croos and changed BC mango Pheno after maybe 2 or 3 generations.
Cross it with this sativa I had at the time.
It wasnt until I started growing the phenos outdoors that I got to see the full on traits. This is one of the many Bc Mango crosses that I grew outdoors, I called the new cross Black Widow.
Zembretti
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Hey Oddy, I'm so out of touch with rosin smoking, maybe a bit scared to try it but I just have to know, What are diamonds? Are they the most refined rosin product?My idea of refinement is rosin that turns your brain to mush without taking your breath away. I would smoke diamonds only, if I could. I get bogged down fast when it comes to scientific papers but here's my take on hermaphrodism. Some plants are natural hermaphrodites and express themselves easily with only mild enviromental stress. Others need help to trigger male flowers. GA3 wich is gibberellin, STS, Colloidal Sillver, alkaloids, aspirin, cytokines and hormones are some. Natural ones are changes in photoperiod, root damage, low ph, enviromental shock, cytokines and hormones. Nature is unpredictable and some things you just have to get along with. Now if the government would reimburse my plant count for their herms.
Another great post Dani, I love the Black Widow pheno. you do God's work my friend. Nice to see another breeder working toward perfection.Its a long story but prior to 2017 I was growing indoors small scale and making seeds. In 2018 I started growing outdoors in BC, I stoped for a while for personal reasons, now I retook where I left.
I gotta say that my indoor grows havent been quantitatively the best, most of the times I grew indoors was to make my own seeds. What I found after many photoperiod test (all in my grows), qualitatively I saw difference in the pheno expression like different leaf pattern, node spacing, calyx to leaf ratio, these are some of the obvious pheno traits that looked different. I had phenos become fox tail, others hermie, others just took it well.
Seems like when the photoperiod doesnt vary that much the plant has a build up of flowering hormones (when they peak maturity) while vegging. I also vegged them form 2-3 months. My stuff was small scale but served me well.
I managed to make one stable cross from a many many tries.
This is a BC Mango (the original bredder says Bc mango is indica dominant at 80%indica, 20% Sativa) I completly change the form of the original pheno.
The Original Bc Mango pheno.
A croos and changed BC mango Pheno after maybe 2 or 3 generations.
Cross it with this sativa I had at the time.
It wasnt until I started growing the phenos outdoors that I got to see the full on traits. This is one of the many Bc Mango crosses that I grew outdoors, I called the new cross Black Widow.
Danishoes21
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thank you for the kind words. I started chasing seed making back in 2015. I've made hundreds, some very terrible, some avg and a few well good
.The price of seeds nowdays Is far more expensive than 5-7 years ago and the commercial breeding is killing (in my humble opinion) the diversity of the phenos out there. Its so hard to find simple crosses now, everything has such long linage and some of the linage is mostly the same. I would love a Cannabis that serves my medicinal needs, Im not chasing the BUD but the medicine, the terrior, the terpenes, the overall experience, you know like a good bottle of Malbec 
from Argentina.This year I applied for a 50 plant medical license, had the paper work done and sadly the place for the grow I had arranged backed out last minute... That was my 2022 great come back. Its all good. I will keep trying. I really wanna get back to making seeds again.
scottreid1966
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I hear you, bro! Hoping for a good grow this year so I can cure some and bottle it for many months, increasing the medicinal effect. Hoping that my perpetual grow will pay out so I can age some.
thank you for the kind words. I started chasing seed making back in 2015. I've made hundreds, some very terrible, some avg and a few well good
This year I applied for a 50 plant medical license, had the paper work done and sadly the place for the grow I had arranged backed out last minute... That was my 2022 great come back. Its all good. I will keep trying. I really wanna get back to making seeds again.
you got to love cloning to get the same results.. you get a good plant keep a mother.. wish i had a room with 10
mothers.. ... sure could use a license too .. 20 plants be plenty for me . .
Odjob
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Me to but I'm an awfully proud rec consumer!
Odjob
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Last year I screwed my 1st try at autos, left them in the greenhouse to long and got stem rot. So far so good. Ak 47 auto from 34 st.
Odjob
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Rookie at autos, they really do grow fast. June 3
scottreid1966
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Just rearranged my clone and veg room. Plants got too big for veg closet so I am using 2- 32 watt fluorescents for the clones and using my 125 watt for my smallest. Do you guys think that 18 inches is too high for the fluos? I'm kinda inclined to lower them a little.
I would lower them a bit, for clones trying to root, and a lot for rooted plants vegging.Just rearranged my clone and veg room. Plants got too big for veg closet so I am using 2- 32 watt fluorescents for the clones and using my 125 watt for my smallest. Do you guys think that 18 inches is too high for the fluos? I'm kinda inclined to lower them a little.
Rooted plants will probably stretch with the lights at that distance, based on my experience with t5 fluoros.
Danishoes21
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I love seen all the canna plants next to veggie gardens. Kudos for all you that grow amazing veggies as you do weed.
Just rearranged my clone and veg room. Plants got too big for veg closet so I am using 2- 32 watt fluorescents for the clones and using my 125 watt for my smallest. Do you guys think that 18 inches is too high for the fluos? I'm kinda inclined to lower them a little.
hey thanks for a peek at your rooms .. paint the walls white flat white.. big light bonus and u need it
i am so glade you asked if you should lower your lights .. thats alot of power Scottie!!!
i think u should drop your light 14 inches .. are they T 5 ho output lights?
2 x 24 watt tubes ho.. 2 inches above is high 1 inch better.. i want these plants to grow slowly too
till im ready to go to the big tent ..
my lights are maybe 16 inches above canopy with alot more power Scottie .. in the big tent with lots of ventilation
watch the heat watch the plants react go close as you can but not burning the leaves back off if you do.. ok to
burn a few plants learning just a little.. lol dun it myself.. you can be a farther away in veg but
get really close for buds with out burning .. gives u rock hard dense buds..
Scottie i need more power now !!!!!!!
you can not grow good weed with out more power really.. u want 40 to 50 watts per sq ft ...
scottreid1966
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Thanks DD. I don't want to paint the corner but will tape up some foil soon.
I will take both tour, and @danishoes21 and lower the fluos. I can look for some stroner wattage but this is only for a few weeks. I plan on putting the smaller on in the corner into the flower space 2 -3 weeks before the other 2 and will put the clones under the 125W in its stead. When I do put the bigger 2 into flower, we wil be well past the solstice and I will put the smaller one outside in the back.
Hopefully, it will be into flower well enough to handle the temporary increase in light. I can place it so it stays dusk and dawn in the shade.
Thanks for the advice, you two. Hope you had a pleasant day as I did kayaking with my eldest daughter.