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[Danishoes21]

I have had female clones yet one turned hermie. I was told that sometimes if you put too many fems together that one may turn due to survival instincts. I can't think of any other reason.
can you?
Have a good one.

that opens a whole new subject of discussion. Quoting some of the work from Richard Dawkins on his book "the selfish gene"...

You might find altruistic behavior in nature, were an individual organism might end its life for the benefit of that particular gene to carry on. In that book you might find many example of this kinda behavior were one decides to give up their life for the survival of the genetic pool.

Now from my own experience, given the right amount of stress to a pheno it can change and self polinate. No breeder I know of has ever revealed if the use or not hermie pollen to make "feminized" seeds... and the term "feminized" does not apply to 100% of the seeds, it just means you have a higher probability the seeds being female, not ruling out a possible male.

my 2 cents.

 

[Regrowth]

Read that you can even reverse a male and force it to produce female flowers.
And then if you pollinate that male with itself you'll get XX (female), and 50% male of XY and YY.
The YY apparently usually die, but if you can keep them alive and breed with them that's how u make male seeds.
Would be one hell of a way to troll someone and watch them try to find a female. lmao

 

[DeltaDubie]

Sorry to hear that. Use it to make tincture or canna butter.

I have had female clones yet one turned hermie. I was told that sometimes if you put too many fems together that one may turn due to survival instincts. I can't think of any other reason.
can you?
Have a good one.

yes you can make plants hermie with enviromental stresses turn the lights on for a minute in the middle of night
or run the tent a bit to hot or maybe cold.. hydro power going out is really dangerous for growers

 

[DeltaDubie]

Read that you can even reverse a male and force it to produce female flowers.
And then if you pollinate that male with itself you'll get XX (female), and 50% male of XY and YY.
The YY apparently usually die, but if you can keep them alive and breed with them that's how u make male seeds.
Would be one hell of a way to troll someone and watch them try to find a female. lmao

i dont believe there is a yy plant its xy or xx

did you know more than likely 1/2 of the prisoners on death row in the USA would be XYY ...

the extra Y makes you extremely aggressive.. it happens in dogs too..

 

[DeltaDubie]

hey, indoor tent or confined space growers out there just want to
know how many watts per square foot your running ?

my tent is running 1260 watts in a 5x5 25sq ft hence 1260 / 25 = 50 watts per sq ft..

also have some serious heat management fans and exhaust..

the old school books use to recommend 25 to 50 watts per sq ft.. after 50 there is not much benefits usless co2..

the more the better ! upto 50.

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• DeltaDubie
• Jun 8, 2022

do si do day 39 or so..

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• DeltaDubie
• Jun 8, 2022

day 39

 

[Regrowth]

@deltadubie, I don't want to link to another forum but if you're interested you can search for:
"Male clones transformed to Female to judge male smoking".

And here's a quote from a quora answer:

"A male XY plant is always a XY plant but could produce female parts. You wouldn't want a selfed male because 75% of the offspring would be male and 25% of the offspring will be YY males which produce 100% males"

Interesting concept regardless (the reversal) since picking males is usually a shot in the dark.

 

[Odjob]

Sucks when you put out $$$ for seeds that haven't had the herm thing roged out. Getting geared up for coco and chemistry next winter, I need the weight and no losses. I don't believe a pure female cannabis plant exists. At some point it will try to save it's self, some just do it way to easily. I've gotten male flowers to often from two of our legal seed produces . I'm down to wondering if I have to many hormone and cytokines in my compost or something or the seed is just to quick to market. Lots of prohibition stuff got cloned to death and it was still more stable. I'm no genticsist but i wonder if the hybridization orgy has something to do with it.

 

[Odjob]

hey, indoor tent or confined space growers out there just want to
know how many watts per square foot your running ?

my tent is running 1260 watts in a 5x5 25sq ft hence 1260 / 25 = 50 watts per sq ft..

also have some serious heat management fans and exhaust..

the old school books use to recommend 25 to 50 watts per sq ft.. after 50 there is not much benefits usless co2..

the more the better ! upto 50.

20220608_203223.jpg

• DeltaDubie
• Jun 8, 2022

do si do day 39 or so..

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• DeltaDubie
• Jun 8, 2022

day 39

Right now 2 older version Electric sky and tons of wasted light . 600 x 8.25 = 72.7 My 2 autos are loving the 7 gal. and the Big Sky.

 

[scottreid1966]

yes you can make plants hermie with enviromental stresses turn the lights on for a minute in the middle of night
or run the tent a bit to hot or maybe cold.. hydro power going out is really dangerous for growers

Glad I have a generator. Which comes first, food or ladies? Lol

 

[DeltaDubie]

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• DeltaDubie
• Jun 9, 2022

 

[Danishoes21]

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• DeltaDubie
• Jun 9, 2022

she is a heavy weight, looking really nice there bud. a pound plant?

 

[bluter]

You are right they are gnetically unstable. But if you have tried to make your own seeds thats how the bredders create "feminized" seed.

ooooh not at all. it is a popular misconception though.

Colodial silver will cause stress to the female plant and it will make pollen sacks and self polinate.

that's just 1 step , and only relevant in making feminized seed. there's a few generations that go into it before. it is ok for the home hobbyist, otherwise it is a lot more involved.

The only reason I find hermies are to be disposed is if you only want bud. If you want seeds then some of the pollen can be used.

you don't want any of it. it produces genetically unstable plants.

Every cannabis plant can potentially become a self polinating plant, given the right amount of stress.

yes. though some are far more prone than others. even land race strains. it's not just an industry thing.

Ideally no one wants hermies. your right about that. Specially if you buy seeds and turn out hermie that sucks! better get some refund.

it's often environmental. there is generally more than one factor with genetics playing a part. some plants may have the tendency, but will need a particular stressor to turn.

I have had female clones yet one turned hermie. I was told that sometimes if you put too many fems together that one may turn due to survival instincts. I can't think of any other reason.
can you?

it has been shown to happen.

Read that you can even reverse a male and force it to produce female flowers.
And then if you pollinate that male with itself you'll get XX (female), and 50% male of XY and YY.
The YY apparently usually die, but if you can keep them alive and breed with them that's how u make male seeds.
Would be one hell of a way to troll someone and watch them try to find a female. lmao

lol. i get frustrated with regs even.

 

[Odjob]

Some herming you can get away with like the isolated event that only happens early in flower and at certain nodes. Zam mentioned picking off the flowers, that works for ending up with decent weed with some bag seed. The ones that make pollen everywhere are the super hermaphrodites. Since legalization I've been trying lots of different fem seeds. I'm going back to monocroping and cloning. I'm enjoying the autos, I swear you can watch them grow.

 

[Zembretti]

Glad I have a generator. Which comes first, food or ladies? Lol

ooooh not at all. it is a popular misconception though.






that's just 1 step , and only relevant in making feminized seed. there's a few generations that go into it before. it is ok for the home hobbyist, otherwise it is a lot more involved.






you don't want any of it. it produces genetically unstable plants.






yes. though some are far more prone than others. even land race strains. it's not just an industry thing.






it's often environmental. there is generally more than one factor with genetics playing a part. some plants may have the tendency, but will need a particular stressor to turn.








it has been shown to happen.








lol. i get frustrated with regs even.

Dani, a few years ago I grew some Thai - Malawi (Golden Tiger) outside in pots. Thinking they may be induced to flower early I carried each pot into my shed every night to insure they got only 12 hr of light. It worked for five plants, but two hermied quickly. I haven't done that since, but it works and if you have any strains prone to hermaphroditism forced flowering can be a stressor.

 

[Danishoes21]

it's often environmental. there is generally more than one factor with genetics playing a part. some plants may have the tendency, but will need a particular stressor to turn.

I do agree with this statement, Enviromental factors; that includes us the human. We are the mayor enviromental stressor for any pheno, or are we not part of the environment. Every time we water, or change the photoperiod, or defol train or feed we are the environmental stressor that triggers any change.

The only genetics I find to be highly unstable are landrace genetics, why I think that? because these phenos have been under stress for years and years by mother nature, therefor develope a selfpolinating instinct in order to preserve the genes and pass it to a new generation. All phenos have it hence they are all one same species Cannabis Sativa.

We can change that selfpolinating instinct by acting as enviromental catalist to breed out that selfpolinating "trait". It would take hundreds and hundreds of phenos to get that stable one...

Anyways, I totally consider myself as part of the enviroment thats why I do my plants like I do.

Commercial breeding has made a business selling unstable seeds marked as "feminized" as we know today there is no truly female genetic or pure male genetics (unless we talk about genetically modified organism).

We can debate with facts if that is the way we want to take it, but we also experiment every time we grow. I chose the science of repetition and observation.

Dani, a few years ago I grew some Thai - Malawi (Golden Tiger) outside in pots. Thinking they may be induced to flower early I carried each pot into my shed every night to insure they got only 12 hr of light. It worked for five plants, but two hermied quickly. I haven't done that since, but it works and if you have any strains prone to hermaphroditism forced flowering can be a stressor.

I understand, Thai (landrace) and Malawi (landrace) are probably stressed out very easy because lets face it as much as we try we can never fully replicate the conditions of Africa or Thailand in our grow space.
Things so subtle like the amount of rain fall, the amount of UV index in the sunlight, the angle of the sun, the humidity, I would go as far as the composition of the soil... Its impossible we can dial all these factors in our grows.

For me Sativas are by far the hardest to keep from hermie because we dont live on/near the equator, and they are plants that dont have more than 1 hour of fluctuations on their photoperiod year round. I dont use light schedules like 18/6 anymore when I grow sativas. I use 13/11 or 1230/1130. I have gone as far as to see sunlight patterns around the equator and follow this to try and mimic the photoperiods around the equator.

I love Sativas and I love them even more when they are landraces.

 

[Danishoes21]

that's just 1 step , and only relevant in making feminized seed. there's a few generations that go into it before. it is ok for the home hobbyist, otherwise it is a lot more involved.

Based on what I have done in the past, I have made seeds with out colodial silver. I have used female pollen to breed feminized seeds.

please let me know how to make seeds with out the use of colial silver, since the information is not out there anymore.

If we go back way back to the famous DJ Short blueberry, I would speculate that he had to deal with a lot of hermie traits from that mexican sativa and the thai stick he used in order to come up with a stable blueberry even if its a Indica dominant hybrid.

 

[Danishoes21]

Reversed female pollen, I called it female pollen.

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[Zembretti]

or me Sativas are by far the hardest to keep from hermie because we dont live on/near the equator, and they are plants that dont have more than 1 hour of fluctuations on their photoperiod year round. I dont use light schedules like 18/6 anymore when I grow sativas. I use 13/11 or 1230/1130. I have gone as far as to see sunlight patterns around the equator and follow this to try and mimic the photoperiods around the equator.

I love Sativas and I love them even more when they are landraces.

Yes we are indeed brothers who love our landrace sativas. I've had some of the best, effect -wise (but not necessarily the strongest) weed from landrace sativas I grew myself and later crossed with others. I believe terroir, like in wine making is the greatest factor in how outdoor weed turns out: soil composition, weather, bugs, sunlight, rain, wind all come together in how cannabis tastes smells and is psychologically active. Of course genetics is the other main determinant, but the final product (buds) can turn out differently if grown in different terroirs even if the genetics are the same. No different than wine varieties grown in different terroirs. A Malbec from Argentina is superior to a Malbec from Europe, even if Malbec originated in Europe, the terroir of Argentina is better for developing the flavour potential of that varietal. So anytime you grow a plant that evolved somewhere else, say Thailand you are growing something different from the original because of the terroir. However that's not always a bad thing and the weed can take on its own unique characteristics and just like wine, some years can be exceptional even if it's not like the original back in Thailand or wherever it came from.

 

[bluter]

For me Sativas are by far the hardest to keep from hermie because we dont live on/near the equator, and they are plants that dont have more than 1 hour of fluctuations on their photoperiod year round.

most land race sativas originate in the sub-equatorial regions above and below the central equatorial belt. they generally get a greater variance in daylight hours, and do experience a seasonal change in hours. many of the best ones come from just a little further out as well.

I dont use light schedules like 18/6 anymore when I grow sativas. I use 13/11 or 1230/1130. I have gone as far as to see sunlight patterns around the equator and follow this to try and mimic the photoperiods around the equator.

you can grow anything at 12 / 12. photos, autos, sativas, indicas. we did for yrs. it's called a rush grow. the plant will flower right after it hits sexual maturity. it used to be quite common in the underground industry.

you lose a fair bit of production, but you can turn it around faster for another cash run.

I love Sativas and I love them even more when they are landrace

i've always preferred a sativa. not against a good indica. i have adhd and a sativa is better for keeping me productive.

I believe terroir, like in wine making is the greatest factor in how outdoor weed turns out: soil composition, weather, bugs, sunlight, rain, wind all come together in how cannabis tastes smells and is psychologically active. Of course genetics is the other main determinant, but the final product (buds) can turn out differently if grown in different terroirs even if the genetics are the same

i use the same analogy all the time. the terroir is something completely lost in our indoor pursuits.

the terpene wheel for cannabis was directly developed from the flavour wheel in wine making. look them both up some time and you'l be floored by the similarities.

 

[Zembretti]

I have a question for those who like to vape. Yesterday I began my vaping session by starting at 300 F with some Bangi Haze. I did this to see how much vapour would be produced from the Volcano at that temp. The result was not much vapour but an incredible hit of terpenes, so much flavour! Then I turned the temp up to 356 F and got lots of vapour but fewer terpenes. Now my question is has anyone else done that, and if so does that change the quality of the high afterward? I felt it did but its difficult to be objective here.