Camo's 1st Grow - Coco - LED - Lucas Autos - Poll Of Strain To Grow

I know im going to need to power on the filter for the little girl thats about to flower next.
Trans Siberian

One of the strongest autoflowering varieties available, Trans Siberian is a crystal covered cross that looks like it has just come in from a blizzard. A mix of one of the world’s most popular strains, original White Russian (Serious) and our Auto #1, Trans Siberian has a long lasting and powerful almost sedative stone. It is a perfect blend being easy to grow, very fast finishing (65-75 days) but still yields just as well many other auto strains. Extensive covering of trichomes can be so heavy they may spread well down onto shade leaves, especially in the final 1-2 weeks of flowering. This can be maximised even further if it’s given its final flush just days prior to harvest and is then left for 48-72 hours in total darkness. Taste and smell is typically Indica, with a pungent skunky fuel aroma that White Russian is renowned for. Trans Siberian delivers an outstanding high for an auto variety, both deep body buzz with a narcotic head stone. A true must for both connoisseur and beginner alike.
 
millertm said:
Sorry, 24w fluorescent ~100w. I was sharing that us T5 guys have same issue as you LED guys. My eq is to HID as well not LED. That's all.

800w HPS 1st grow. Millertm's - Girl Scout/Cinex - Grow Journal - 4'x4'x6.8' Tent - 2015
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Sorry, millertm as a past user of HO-T5 for an experiment I can tell you that T5 does a far cry less of a flower job with a far more less efficiency, and much more cost in both fixtures and electricity trying to equal the HID PAR ((LUMENS ARE FOR HUMANS)) output, than just getting the HID setup in the first place... Ok, for veg, maybe, but I would never recommend it for flowering. The old 24w HO-T5 per 100w HID does not apply. I had it to 37w HO-T5 per 12" and still didn't get the same output, or grams per watt yield of my HIDs or my LEDs
 
millertm said:
I'll post some pix, T5HO will flower just fine but I'm looking into the LED'S now.

800w HPS 1st grow. Millertm's - Girl Scout/Cinex - Grow Journal - 4'x4'x6.8' Tent - 2015
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You're right, it will flower fine. My point is, not as well, nor as efficiently with any other light setup. You would be better off biting the bullet and getting even a used HID lighting setup off the "c"LIST" than spending money on a lot of HO-T5 fixtures. You'll save more money in the long run in electricity, because you'll end up buying even more T5's trying to equal the HID's power and density and never getting there- - and going T5 broke.

Just get the HID fixture and be done. T5 can't penetrate like the HID can. I tested it in my own grow. TWICE.
 
I'm running 1000watt HPS now in my tent and it's crazy how much better the budding is going. My T5 is an experiment to see what seed and $100 used light will do in a closet. It's much better then I thought. I'm in at $160 for the light and 6, bloom bulbs. Man this growing is fun.

800w HPS 1st grow. Millertm's - Girl Scout/Cinex - Grow Journal - 4'x4'x6.8' Tent - 2015
 
So what's the bug deal?? You trying to use t5 through out life cycle of an auto? I think it can be done if you were to swap bulbs to 2700k bulbs for warmer spectrum ! Speaking of I got the 300w led I bought that I need to find some space for in the tent I'll post pics next ! Thanks guys for tuning in! As of now it's gonna be northern lights, jack herer and dark devil autos! What pot should I go way dark devil in do you guys think ?? I'm think put her in hempy or maybe just the airpot! I think the hempy may be safer cause it will have a resvoir since they are such a finnicky strain ! Hopefully have coco some day and I'll get some perlite & river rock from some where. Guess the ole river for the res of the hempy bucket. Of course hempy bucket will be coco/perlite. So I can get to germinating !
 
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LED porn anyone haha ;)
 
Bugs have suffered a great loss in the first battle. I used pyrethrum, enough for 3000 sq' in a 4x4 tent. It did no damage to bud's and Sunday the tent will get round two and that's all I'm doing for now. I have two sprays LQ lady bug and ss217 or something.
T5HO setup, (unpublished here cuz I'm lazy) will be posted when I pull them in a week or two. I'm just suprized how well it went. Easy, cheap and it works. $100 for used light and $60 for 6, bloom bulbs should fit any buget. T5 bloom come in at 2900K. I'll post some tent pix tonight when I'm home for lunch.

800w HPS 1st grow. Millertm's - Girl Scout/Cinex - Grow Journal - 4'x4'x6.8' Tent - 2015
 
Camo420Grow said:
So what's the bug deal?? You trying to use t5 through out life cycle of an auto? I think it can be done if you were to swap bulbs to 2700k bulbs for warmer spectrum ! Speaking of I got the 300w led I bought that I need to find some space for in the tent I'll post pics next ! Thanks guys for tuning in! As of now it's gonna be northern lights, jack herer and dark devil autos! What pot should I go way dark devil in do you guys think ?? I'm think put her in hempy or maybe just the airpot! I think the hempy may be safer cause it will have a resvoir since they are such a finnicky strain ! Hopefully have coco some day and I'll get some perlite & river rock from some where. Guess the ole river for the res of the hempy bucket. Of course hempy bucket will be coco/perlite. So I can get to germinating !
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Yes, what I was saying, is yes, even though it will flower and the product will come out okay with fluoro/T5, The problem arises when you look at the density, structure and potency. They all suffer a bit, because, while yes, the fluoro provide enough light to finish the life cycle, they don't provide that extra oomph to really kick it into high gear. The problem comes in when the T5 owner starts to add more and more T5's trying to match the product gotten from the HID or the LED and ends up spending more in lights, and more in electricity in the long run than they would have, had they just saved the money in the first place for the higher output system to get the HID or the LED. The guy that just wants to get going now for cheap, gets the T5's thinking, "They'll flower just fine," will end up spending more down the road in more fixtures and more in electricity, than they would have on ONE more expensive setup saving up for it, a few weeks from now...



Does that make better sense?
 
jandre2k3 said:
Yes, what I was saying, is yes, even though it will flower and the product will come out okay with fluoro/T5, The problem arises when you look at the density, structure and potency. They all suffer a bit, because, while yes, the fluoro provide enough light to finish the life cycle, they don't provide that extra oomph to really kick it into high gear. The problem comes in when the T5 owner starts to add more and more T5's trying to match the product gotten from the HID or the LED and ends up spending more in lights, and more in electricity in the long run than they would have, had they just saved the money in the first place for the higher output system to get the HID or the LED. The guy that just wants to get going now for cheap, gets the T5's thinking, "They'll flower just fine," will end up spending more down the road in more fixtures and more in electricity, than they would have on ONE more expensive setup saving up for it, a few weeks from now...



Does that make better sense?
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A point I've tried to make with a few of my local buddies and they just don't 'get' it. lol I did have a bud, that's a sworn HPS/HID user with all the best bulbs come over last weekend. He is hanging his new Mars panels tonight, I believe. Watt for watt, I blew him away.
Fluorescents are good for getting feet wet and wetting appetites. Past that, I feel it's time to move up to better lighting.
Good post, jandre2k3
 
millertm said:
Yes, both of you are right. You can start adding CFL'S and price per watt explodes. I will be interested in seeing how this grow goes.

800w HPS 1st grow. Millertm's - Girl Scout/Cinex - Grow Journal - 4'x4'x6.8' Tent - 2015
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I did that exact thing in my "Cardboard Flower Box" experiments. I just wanted to get my bonsai flower box up and running so I got t5 fluoro- 6 to start. All of them were 24w 12" HO-T5, . . . I ended up with 11, that I had OVER-DRIVEN to 37w to try to equal my HID in other boxes and still didn't get the quality I was looking for.

37w x11 407w in a 2x4 space - - - - Then I realized: I had a friend that had tried to sell me a 400w HPS for $70, and a mag ballast for $35, total $105 but I didn't do it because I was concerned about heat, and cost. I had spent $35 a fixture ($385 over time) and had over-driven them so now they're running hotter than lava (figuratively of course, 125F actually), and no cooling fan.


Trust me.... I've been there....
 
Haha yeah jandre great post !! That was a good read and totally understand now. I couldn't agree more, that's why I went with soooo much led power from the get go with my grow ! Now don't get me wrong for a little supplemental light I got some 5000k CFL bulbs during training for underneath grow. But I think you for sure need to go ahead and get either HPS or in my opinion LED is the future and best thing out right now. For the power consumption and the results I've seen personally they can't be beat.
 
I don't know yet used it for the first time Thursday but plants are not burnt and I do not see any bugs yet. There are only two types of gardens. Those fighting mites, and those lying about fighting mites. I wish I had understood this when it was explained to me in the local hydro store. Chances of getting through 3 months (veg/bloom) with out issues are 0%.

800w HPS 1st grow. Millertm's - Girl Scout/Cinex - Grow Journal - 4'x4'x6.8' Tent - 2015
 
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