Cachagua's bag seed 1st time grow journal

[Cachagua]

it happens to the best of us.

You should start another journal.your set up looks great. It looks like some lockout issues. i always reccomend to keep a good product around to help with the flushiing. Like floraclean or some hygrozyme another unbelievable product is from house and garden it called roots excelerator. it maybe damn expensive BUT, i can garuntee you that it will boost your plants to anther level when mixed with hygrozyme. theres not a damn problem that it wont fix.

it basiclly takes any dead or rotting root mass and turn it into food for the rest of the plant as well as new root growth will fed off of it.

anyways hope you dont give up on growing, sounds like you've had a great upbringing.

Thanks butcher,
I got some Clearex and did a major flush last night.
Because I can only get in the room at night when I get home from work, the lights had already come on, so I turned the lights off, did a full foliar soaking with plain water, then flushed each plant with at least 3 gallons of Clearex mix, sprayed them again and closed it up.

I left the lights off until tonight's scheduled (on) cycle.
Hopefully this will curb the leaf death, give the plants a new lease on life and not set them back too much.

Funny thing is, some of them are worse than the others are but they ALL show some form of leaf discoloration/necrosis, which leads me to believe that I cooked them with nutes at some point and did not know it, but rather added more/other nutes thinking it was a deficiency.

That is really my beef with keeping this journal public.
It just feels/felt like I was talking to my self most of the time.
I keep a detailed picture journal for my own edification, but if nobody is going to participate, then posting the pics is fruitless, and in my opinion, an exercise in futility.

 

[dfw-guy]

Sorry if you feel like your journal goes unread. It helps to update frequently and post pictures everyday. Remember that there are tons of active journals on this site, and a lot of people browsing will just look at the top of the page.

About the grow, I hope it's not a total loss. Can you post pics when the lights turn back on? This would be really interesting to see.

 

[The Butcher]

well said Cachagua.
I feel you on the journal thing. it can be alot of work that you feel your doin for nothing. but hey whats done is gone.

well your doing what you can. it hard to pinpoint what happens. I got this curse some how i had a baby that was in perfect health along with all her sisters then out of nowhere over night it looks like it just dehydrated, dont know what it is or was but it happens every so often with random babies.but, all i can do is baby them and see if they pull through.Its wierd though, all the other ones are in perfect health.

 

[fineas]

Hi Cachagua,
I have a hard time with the photos cause of my vision. I dont post photos often because of that. Never give up.. I had a young lady up and die on me in 24 hrs although her siblings were fine. She had no brown or yellow but I couldnt revive her, despite any experience I have. Keep on reading even if you dont do a journal, it will surely help in times of need. On my bottle of calcium it only gives instructions for foliar feeding. I do use cal mag in my HP gardens but used the other(fertilome product) in a time of need with no stores available locally to procure calmag.
You did the right thing with the flushing and all with the clearex. Seems like (except for those that are doomed to die) plants like to be flushed now and them.
Wished I could have helped but I have only <10 grows under my belt. I have catastrophes but I grow only a few plants at a time and a death is bad.. But Its for my personal use and growth and development of my growing ability. Remember all the errors and all the learned things. good luck my friend for the future.
Fineas

 

[Cachagua]

Hi Cachagua,
I have a hard time with the photos cause of my vision. I dont post photos often because of that. Never give up.. I had a young lady up and die on me in 24 hrs although her siblings were fine. She had no brown or yellow but I couldnt revive her, despite any experience I have. Keep on reading even if you dont do a journal, it will surely help in times of need. On my bottle of calcium it only gives instructions for foliar feeding. I do use cal mag in my HP gardens but used the other(fertilome product) in a time of need with no stores available locally to procure calmag.
You did the right thing with the flushing and all with the clearex. Seems like (except for those that are doomed to die) plants like to be flushed now and them.
Wished I could have helped but I have only <10 grows under my belt. I have catastrophes but I grow only a few plants at a time and a death is bad.. But Its for my personal use and growth and development of my growing ability. Remember all the errors and all the learned things. good luck my friend for the future.
Fineas

Heya Fineas,
Thank you so much bro!
SO far none of the plants have died, and in fact they are ALL producing much larger bud mass than I thought they would even when they were obviously healthy.

To date I have no idea of what is actually going wrong with the large leaves, they are all but gone on all but one of the plants at this point, yet the colas are still growing, and getting more fragrant by the day.

A lot of the smaller leaves are also dying off as well.

What I can tell you is that the flush and subsequent feeding at half strength has caused the buds to explode in size which is a nice by product I guess.

I will take some pictures this weekend for future reference and perhaps I will post them up for others to see.

Funny thing is I have one plant out of the 9 that are in the box that is absolutely perfect, beautiful dark green fan leaves, huge colas, totally healthy and wonderful, while all of the other plants are suffering from the leaf disorder.

That brings up a question perhaps you can answer?

Can you take clones from a flowering plant and successfully have them transition into growth stage again?

I would love to clone this plant, or even save it as a long term mother for future grows as it appears to be the robust lady of the bunch.

Thanks Fineas, have a great weekend bro.

 

[fineas]

What I can tell you is that the flush and subsequent feeding at half strength has caused the buds to explode in size which is a nice by product I guess.

Maybe those particular plants only have enough nutrients for the flowering , do the leaves turn yellow before falling?

Can you take clones from a flowering plant and successfully have them transition into growth stage again?

Yes but they take a very long time to root and go back to veg. it takes a big toll on them. Hormonal changes occur withing the plant in flowring stage vs veg... I have seen a few little clones with a tiny flower on it that took real well in a daisy-like cloner.
Once they grow good roots it should give you some new leaves if its nitrogen levels get better than bloom formula provides. Why not take a chance? Maybe it needs a few leaves to synthesize energy until roots form. If you are going to save the whole plant it will still take a long time. I have done this before and when I finally let it go to flower it gave me same bodacious buds.Not many but the ones were awesome. (the clones of the flowering lady I had)
God luck. Hope to see your plants again soon..

 

[fineas]

May I ask you to remind me of the time they have spent in 12/12?
I had a plant one that lost many fan leaves and the buds continued to swell and become more resiny. Maybe they will be done soon. How do the trics look?
fin

 

[Cachagua]

May I ask you to remind me of the time they have spent in 12/12?
I had a plant one that lost many fan leaves and the buds continued to swell and become more resiny. Maybe they will be done soon. How do the trics look?
fin

Hey Fineas,
They went into to 12/12 on July 5th so that means what....6 weeks now?

As far as the leaves that die off, they generally do not turn yellow first, they get these brown/rusty looking spots starting in the middle of the leaf, then the edges die and ultimately the rest of the leaf turns a crunchy brownish or dark rusty color at which time I pull them off (basically they just drop off as soon as I touch them).

Thanks for the heads up on the cloning,
I have had really good luck with cloning so far, I pulled a small plant out of the chamber at early onset of flowering because I did not have enough room in the box once all of them had sexed so it really just had long pistils and no real flowers per se'.

Another clone was the entire top half of a plant that that had maybe 4 sets of branches when I topped it, I cloned the topped portion and put it under 24/day light and it took off, I have since taken 5 clones from it and they are in the clone box right now looking pretty damn good.

The only problem is that the plant the mother clone came from is one of the ones that has the leaf problem so I wonder if I am in for more of the same just based on genetics when these clones go into flower in a few weeks?

I will definitely take some pictures here in about 2 hours and have them posted up shortly after that if you are willing to stick around and have a look for me?

Thanks Fineas so much for visiting my friend, I do genuinely appreciate it!

P.S. is Fineas an "underground press" (Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers) thing?
Fat Freddies Cat is my avatar...that's why I ask lol

 

[Cachagua]

Here are some pics from tonight,
The biggest cola in any of these pictures is far bigger than I can wrap my hand around and I wear XXL gloves, to compare the actual size think about bigger than a can of Red Bull for sure but slightly smaller than a can of coke.

Hopefully this will illustrate the reddish brown leaf damage.

Have a look Fineas and let me know what you think bro, thank you so much.

 

[SouthernOnt]

damn very jealous did you lollipop them for the srceen then take it away

 

[The Butcher]

great job Cachagua.

looks like it will be a decent harvest
It looks like over nutes
but thats okay iknow alot of growers who go big on nutes the last 2 weeks prior to flushing.
Even if you check the greenhouse seed co. growers (plug) on u tube they run thier e.c pretty high around the same time, then flush.
whats your current e.c ?

 

[fineas]

I will try to find out what your problem is.. I can do a tad of looking but I am sure I have seen that before... Are there any little critters in the plants when you shake them or in the soil? ALso look under the leaves. and maybe even the roots.
You might have a critter chewing on the roots. be back soon..
Fineas

 

[fineas]

Crispy brown leaves. yellow spots along veins look at this grow does it look like what you have?? I am further looking...
fineas

 

[fineas]

Oh yeah probably read this one too has alot of photos..https://https//www.420magazine.com/...is-plant-pest-problem-solver-pictorial.81275/ I dont think it is genetic more environmental. I dont think the mother will pass this on ... I'll bet you can find the answer in the second link.

I had an angel fish that used to break up all the fights in the aquarium, Peacemonger like me, but I called him Fineas Fogg, as realated to Phileas Fog of an old time flick called "around the world in 80 days" Since he had a fin.. oh well it seemed cool, at that time (1993) I sure love the FFFB's too.. I thought that cat looked familiar!! Lets go truckin..

fin
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[Cachagua]

Fineas, thank you so much bro, I have looked at both of those threads over the last couple of weeks and the image that most closely resemble my condition is the image below which is described as a calcium deficiency.

Armed with that information, I went out and bought the Cal-Mag and started in with that but it did not appear to have any positive (or negative) results.
the leaves still developed these symptoms.

After that is when I decided to flush with the Clearex, so I did that and followed up with plain PH corrected water (6.3-6.8) for more than a week.

Still no change as the leaves continued to discolor and die off.
During the plain water routine, I also checked my soil PH by checking the 1st 10 seconds of run off which was between 5.3 and 5.9 ph in ALL of the plants so I figured the PH was in line with what I have read.

At the beginning of last week is when I started back in with the nutes at 1/2 strength, I also added "Super-Thrive" to the mix and it really seemed to have had an impact on bud growth as far as size and development is concerned, however it did not seem to slow the demise of the major fan leaves.

Last night (when the pictures in my previous post were taken) I added in some more Cal-Mag to the mix along with Grow-Big to give them a little shot of nitrogen in hopes that it may stem the tide of leaf death....I will know when I go into the box tonight if it has had any effect or not.

Thanks Fineas,
Thanks Southern
And Thanks Butcher for stopping by, I will definitely keep the journal alive now that there is some traffic, so stick with me fellas, I really do appreciate the help!

P.S. SouthernOnt
I am not sure what you mean by "loli-pop" but I did nothing other than LST when they were really young, and I continued that into flower.
Originally I was going to Scrog this grow, but I pulled the screen a week after switching to 12/12 because I got nervous when I realized that most of the training needed to be done prior to 12/12, and since I was a week into 12/12 and the plants had not reached the screen yet, I just pulled the screen and hoped for the best.
It is amazing that on most of these plants the side branches have produced bigger colas than the main cola.
There are only 2 plants out of the 9 that have been topped, the rest of them, the main cola is lower in height than the side branches are.

 

[The Butcher]

well everything looks good to me. i've had the same issues with some of mygrows and the cal mag did nothing. it's just got to work its way out with the flushing. Your doing everything rite.

p.s. hey guys i just started a journal stop by and check it out. its the butchers pride.
as far as "lollypopping" my grow will contain a veriety of growing..soil, hydro(N.F.T), d.w.c as well as some l.s.t'n and lolly poppin.stop by let me know what you all think..

 

[Cachagua]

well everything looks good to me. i've had the same issues with some of mygrows and the cal mag did nothing. it's just got to work its way out with the flushing. Your doing everything rite.

p.s. hey guys i just started a journal stop by and check it out. its the butchers pride.
as far as "lollypopping" my grow will contain a veriety of growing..soil, hydro(N.F.T), d.w.c as well as some l.s.t'n and lolly poppin.stop by let me know what you all think..

Post a link bro!
I dont see a link in your signature!

 

[The Butcher]

tonight i'm posting picts and will have the signature posted.

heres a link for now. its just describing the grow with a couple of picts of what i'm growing:

The Butcher Pride

 

[sillyolpun]

new pics, brother? I jones.

 

[McBudz]

During the plain water routine, I also checked my soil PH by checking the 1st 10 seconds of run off which was between 5.3 and 5.9 ph in ALL of the plants so I figured the PH was in line with what I have read.

Get your runoff pH up to 6.3-6.5.. 5's is too low for soil. Leaves will be dying off around now due to the fact you are a good ways into flowering...

Any chance the plants are sitting in the runoff at all or do you evacuate any excess runoff that may be sitting in a saucer underneath the pot? I had a plant do this and it got sick looking like what you are seeing.

Looks like you were running fox farms nutes.. You should be good with Tiger Bloom 15ml per gallon and cal-mag+ at 3ml per gallon til week 5/6 then no more cal-mag and just TB the next week then flush for a week.