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traficante
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Not sure what it could be, but maybe cut back on the Nutes a bit. Or maybe a temp issue???
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Cachagua
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Thanks Traficante,
The temps have been between 80-83f with lights on and between 78-80f lights off. I don't think it is a temp problem as I monitor temps pretty darn closely throughout the day and night cycles and those temps I listed are really a good average for my room/box right now.
Any other ideas out there, all help greatly appreciated!!!!
The temps have been between 80-83f with lights on and between 78-80f lights off. I don't think it is a temp problem as I monitor temps pretty darn closely throughout the day and night cycles and those temps I listed are really a good average for my room/box right now.
Any other ideas out there, all help greatly appreciated!!!!
stully
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dude great set-up. One of the cleanest I've seen. You did a great job on the cool tubes. You gotta give a diy thread on it. Very thorough one.
berrydizzle
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Everything is looking great bro. A N deff. will start at the bottom of the plant and work its way up so if those affected leaves arent on the bottom, most likely not a N problem. Looks like a little bit of nute burn to me. Dont get discouraged if not too many people are posting. U are still early in the cycle, once the buds start getting fat then u will see the traffic im sure. I love the box, +reps for u!
traficante
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i think u should hold off on the nutes next time you water them. see if it might be a nute problem. from what i read, says you are feeding them every other day when you water. try and hold off for a week and see if those spots disappear. cheers bro!
Looks like nuts burn
berrydizzle
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The spots wont disappear...MJ plants dont repair leaves to save energy. Look at previously healthy leaves to see if the problem is getting worse.
Solution to fixing a Calcium deficiency
To fix a calcium deficiency you can treat by foliar feeding with one teaspoon of dolomite lime or Garden lime per quart of water, Or Any Chemical/Organic nutrients that have Calcium in them will fix a Calcium deficiency. (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients or it will cause nutrient burn!)
Or you can take crushed up dolomite lime or garden lime in a gallon of water and water it in the soil. 1 to 2 teaspoons per gallon of water, which will be slow acting. Garden Gypsum, which is medium absorption. Limestone, which is medium absorption, Rock Phosphate and Animal wastes which are both medium/slow absorption. Note: Caution when using gypsum to an already acid soil (pH that is less than 5.5) can have a very bad effect on different types of plants by effecting the absorption of soil aluminum, which is poison to plant roots.
Now if you added to much chemical nutrients and or organics, (which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) you need to flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.
Pictures 1-2 shows calcium deficiencies. First one shows late, 2nd one shows early development.
Not sure if this helps...looks similar got it from Here
Hydro and Soil less Mediums
Calcium gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 2.0- 5.3
Calcium is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 5.4-5.8 (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Calcium Deficiency.
To fix a calcium deficiency you can treat by foliar feeding with one teaspoon of dolomite lime or Garden lime per quart of water, Or Any Chemical/Organic nutrients that have Calcium in them will fix a Calcium deficiency. (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients or it will cause nutrient burn!)
Or you can take crushed up dolomite lime or garden lime in a gallon of water and water it in the soil. 1 to 2 teaspoons per gallon of water, which will be slow acting. Garden Gypsum, which is medium absorption. Limestone, which is medium absorption, Rock Phosphate and Animal wastes which are both medium/slow absorption. Note: Caution when using gypsum to an already acid soil (pH that is less than 5.5) can have a very bad effect on different types of plants by effecting the absorption of soil aluminum, which is poison to plant roots.
Now if you added to much chemical nutrients and or organics, (which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) you need to flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.
Pictures 1-2 shows calcium deficiencies. First one shows late, 2nd one shows early development.
Not sure if this helps...looks similar got it from Here
Hydro and Soil less Mediums
Calcium gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 2.0- 5.3
Calcium is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 5.4-5.8 (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Calcium Deficiency.
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Cachagua
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Stully, I really appreciate it bro! There are some things I would do differently next time, but it seems to work really well, I love having access to both sides of the grow box, makes it really easy to manage the ladies without hurting anything.Will do on the DIY for the cool tubes....those things work perfectly!
berrydizzle
bro! good advice!, when I get in there tonight, I will confirm where on the main stem those leaves reside. Since I LST these ladies, it all gets lost in the twist, but I will confirm tonight.Thanks for stopping by bro!
ThatBoyDean,
bro, I appreciate the input my friend, thank you!!!!! Tunes!!!!!!!! thank you bro for that, I think what I am going to do is flush with good plain water at a PH of 6.5 - 6.8 and see if they stabilize, I have definitely been feeding them every other watering with nutes as indicated.
The opposite watering contains ONLY "Big Bloom" which Fox Farm claims can be used every watering and will NOT harm the plants.
I can say that I have been using ALL of the nutes at the high end of the recommended dosage.
I did that because the pots are only 3 gallon, so I figured as long as I was completely organic, I could give them the max amounts and the plants would do fine.....
Perhaps they have just shown me where the limit is and I need to back down a little on concentration?
I think the general consensus is to flush with water only, then come back with a little "cooler" mix of the nutes as indicated.?
Do you still think it is necessary for me to get the garden lime and treat them at this point? None of the other plants seem to have this issue. Only the one in the picture(s) relating to this post.
Again thank you to everyone who dropped by to help out, I really am genuinely grateful.
berrydizzle
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I don't really see a need to flush...if u just water with plain water for 2 or 3 waterings allowing the plant to use the nutrients already in the soil then start feeding again, u should be good. How often do u water and how much do u water? Do u do the wet/dry watering method and do u get 10-20% runoff? Watering every 2 days might be a little to much.
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Cachagua
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Ok so I have been using water only for the last couple of days.
I dont water every plant, every time I water, I actually water when they need it based on weight/feel so sometimes they all get a drink but most of the time it is 3 or 4 of them that need it while the others don't.
Here are a few pics from last night.
Not much to say, they others are all doing nicely, the one with the problem seems to be the same as it was, it does not seem to be getting worse.
Here ya go. Enjoy!
And finally one of the little gals who is helping keep the place clean and pest free!
I dont water every plant, every time I water, I actually water when they need it based on weight/feel so sometimes they all get a drink but most of the time it is 3 or 4 of them that need it while the others don't.
Here are a few pics from last night.
Not much to say, they others are all doing nicely, the one with the problem seems to be the same as it was, it does not seem to be getting worse.
Here ya go. Enjoy!
And finally one of the little gals who is helping keep the place clean and pest free!
berrydizzle
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Plants look amazingly healthy! Keep up the great work!
stully
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dude your camera kick serious ass. what are you using? Really brings out the beauty of your ladies. Love the ladybug photo, belongs in a museum. + reps for an all around professional job.
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Cachagua
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Stully
bro, I really appreciate that man!I am using a Canon 30D with a 24-70 f2.8 L series lens.
I took these particular pictures with a fluorescent back light (behind me) @ f9 and they were about 15 second exposures.
I used a flashlight to "paint" the light in the areas I wanted highlighted.
It is kind of a hit and miss method, and since there is no light on the subject, I had to shine the flashlight on the spot and manual focus, and then I took the shot(s) and hit certain areas with burst of the flash light while the shutter was open, it is cool when it works, you just have to take enough shots at a particular f stop, to know how much light is just enough otherwise they start to look blown out.
They are all tripod shots obviously but when you get the focus spot on, it really gives it kind of a 3D look, especially when everything behind the subject is soft and blown away.
Some of the earlier shots are taken using a Canon 10-22 f3.5 which is much wider angle but that lens really grabs color well, problem is it sucks in low light most of the time so I tend to use the 24-70 .
Thanks again for the rep bro! I really appreciate it! I am going to try and grab a few more shots here in about half hour so I will post those up as soon as I can!
P.S.
berrydizzle !
bro! I appreciate it man!
stully
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wow. kudos. holy shit. you mean business.
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Cachagua
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Hehe, I love taking pictures, I really need to get out more and shoot more stuff.
It is rewarding.
Anyway, here is an example of painting with light.
The first picture, is using the same back light as the earlier pics, and just a long exposure at f13, no additional light.
This next picture is the same shot, I did not move the tripod, and I was really careful not to move the camera at all between shots. Here I zapped it with the flash light from the top down while the shutter was open, you can see the difference.
Here is a wide shot using the same settings with no additional light.
And then again using selective light bursts with a flash light
Now these shots I just got un lucky, but they turned out pretty cool, the HPS lights had just kicked on but were not at full intensity yet, still they skew the color in a big way.
I missed the sweet spot with the flash light and you can see the outcome, the highlighted spot is left of the cola.
This is the same shot with a flash light straight down on the top for about a 1 second burst, I like how this one came out, hit the sweet spot with the flash light..
And here is a few shots of a main cola on one of the plants as I push in on it.
Starting to get pretty frosty!
Anyway, the plant that has the problem, the leaves with the discoloration started dying and getting crispy, not sure what to make of it, but when I looked this morning just before the lights went off, they were definitely not looking good.
I will take some shots tonight just before the lights go on to post up for you guys to see.
CharlieMopps
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Sometimes its hit and miss with genetics. Some just don't wanna grow no matter how much you do the right things.
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Cachagua
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I hear ya Charlie,
I'm thinking I am doing something wrong tho because now there are 2 plants showing this behavior with the leaves getting the dark (reddish) spots on dying at the edges.
It has to be something in the nutes.
I watered for more than a week with just big bloom added to the water which fox farms says is safe to use every watering as it is so low in n-p-k but high in micro nutirents.
Anyway, I did a feeding on Friday night with the week 7 regimen (Grow Big, Tiger Bloom, Big Bloom, Beastie Blooms) which was a full watering/feeding so now they are ultra wet and one of the tall skinny plants looked like this last night (Saturday night a day after feeding) it's almost as if the plant is trying to turn it's leaves upside down? very bizarre...what could be going on here? temps are normal, never really get above 81 degrees f.
And now the plant that originally was the only plant with the spots, dying edges on the leaves looks like this, it appears to have gotten worse.
I need some help fast.:
CharlieMopps
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Have you done any foliar feeding at all? Sometimes that can relieve a plants stress.
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