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Thanks Krip & Dog!
I couldnt do this without the help of you and others with your freely helping out.
I couldnt do this without the help of you and others with your freely helping out.
Bassman59's 1st Grow - DWC/LED - Pray For Me!
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Ok I promised pics today and an update.
day 22 veg main plant
day 8 veg all seedlings
I did a res change on tub #1 Sun night and Tub #2 Tues morn (should have done them both same day but was tired/lazy/busy).
Tub #1 is getting about 325ppm of SH dry feed while tub #2 is getting 240ppm of lucas formula or so. Tub #2 is less because the roots are not in the water yet. Once they do I will go to mild growth feed of about 600 ppm for a cpl days then bump it possibly. My projected ppms are only guesstimates as I am only using 2 part formula on lucas and the chart shows what general ppms are using 3 part. What I do know is that I will be using a % of the suggested amounts of feed. From that we'll get a ppm to go by.
The main plant is obviously doing great. But jeebus it's so short and bushy! It's only 5" tall. The other plants in that tub are 1 week in this tub (vs 3 for main plant) and 3" tall. Should I do anything about that insane bush?
Tub #2 plants are about 2" tall. They are also obviously further behind in growth yet still doing fine. Has me wondering if I fed them in week 1 too mildly. It was about 100ppm less than tub #1 and using the lucas formula in tub #2.
Light height is sitting at 25" above the main plant. This gives us 26" above the seedlings in same tub and 27" above tub #2 which I was hoping would promote a bit more stretch.
As it looks now, the main plant and the middle plant in tub#1 look like best choices to pull clones from when the time comes.
*** also if anyone has suggestion on how to get camera flash to go off with the led light still shining? Seems I have to get perfect shading on the light to get the flash to work. Meh maybe I'll hang cfl's and turn off the led for pics in future.
The babies:
day 22 veg main plant
day 8 veg all seedlings
I did a res change on tub #1 Sun night and Tub #2 Tues morn (should have done them both same day but was tired/lazy/busy).
Tub #1 is getting about 325ppm of SH dry feed while tub #2 is getting 240ppm of lucas formula or so. Tub #2 is less because the roots are not in the water yet. Once they do I will go to mild growth feed of about 600 ppm for a cpl days then bump it possibly. My projected ppms are only guesstimates as I am only using 2 part formula on lucas and the chart shows what general ppms are using 3 part. What I do know is that I will be using a % of the suggested amounts of feed. From that we'll get a ppm to go by.
The main plant is obviously doing great. But jeebus it's so short and bushy! It's only 5" tall. The other plants in that tub are 1 week in this tub (vs 3 for main plant) and 3" tall. Should I do anything about that insane bush?
Tub #2 plants are about 2" tall. They are also obviously further behind in growth yet still doing fine. Has me wondering if I fed them in week 1 too mildly. It was about 100ppm less than tub #1 and using the lucas formula in tub #2.
Light height is sitting at 25" above the main plant. This gives us 26" above the seedlings in same tub and 27" above tub #2 which I was hoping would promote a bit more stretch.
As it looks now, the main plant and the middle plant in tub#1 look like best choices to pull clones from when the time comes.
*** also if anyone has suggestion on how to get camera flash to go off with the led light still shining? Seems I have to get perfect shading on the light to get the flash to work. Meh maybe I'll hang cfl's and turn off the led for pics in future.
The babies:
GrowGSL
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They will stretch during flower just wait!! keep it tight for now 
Once flowering begins they will open up just enough to have a tight little plant under the light!!
Great job this time looking like you got some really healthy plants!
Once flowering begins they will open up just enough to have a tight little plant under the light!!
Great job this time looking like you got some really healthy plants!
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hmm. Thankfully I think I have a better camera coming tomorrow on sale from newegg. Maybe I can get good closeups and better flash. So we do what we can with what we have to work with. A couple possible issues maybe?
I have a few questions here.
1. In the 1st photo, not sure if you can tell, but the two side leafs are a bit staggered. And there looks to be a pistil forming. I would say fem looking (and seeds are fem), but what makes me wonder is this plant has been on 24/7 lights on for 3.5 weeks, is only like 5.5-6" tall. Should it be starting to show sex and maturing so short? Am I safe to stay 24/7 until I'm ready for all plants to veg? I could go 12/12 tue-weds of next week I suppose which would be two weeks since all the seeds were moved to tubs as 3-4 leaf babies. Or wait a few days more even?
Opinions?
2. Photos #2-4 I couldnt get to flash, but it's just to give an idea of size comparisons. I shaded the LED to take photo.
3. Photo #5 is the back tub, all seedlings, 10 days veg. yay got flash to work shielding led.
4. Photo #6 lousy photo, but it's the large plant roots. The issue is the discoloration near the lower part. This part was not in the water. Below is in the water. I added hygrozyme today and just added about a 1/2 gal water which covered the discolored roots.
Do I have a root issue there? If so, should I expect to see the hygrozyme take care of it? How often do I add more hygrozyme if at all in same water (between weekly rez changes I mean).
Overall I think they all look pretty darn good. I may have been premature a bit in buying AN sensi grow A & B as I wont use it till a rez change and if I switch to 12/12 based on your guys opinions then it wont be used. I was getting these nutes to try to cut down on the ph swings. This also means I better get on it and get my AN Bloom nutes too!
I didnt order a chiller yet as I'm waiting on a response to a couple questions I had with someone. /psst stevehman
ok pics:
I have a few questions here.
1. In the 1st photo, not sure if you can tell, but the two side leafs are a bit staggered. And there looks to be a pistil forming. I would say fem looking (and seeds are fem), but what makes me wonder is this plant has been on 24/7 lights on for 3.5 weeks, is only like 5.5-6" tall. Should it be starting to show sex and maturing so short? Am I safe to stay 24/7 until I'm ready for all plants to veg? I could go 12/12 tue-weds of next week I suppose which would be two weeks since all the seeds were moved to tubs as 3-4 leaf babies. Or wait a few days more even?
Opinions?
2. Photos #2-4 I couldnt get to flash, but it's just to give an idea of size comparisons. I shaded the LED to take photo.
3. Photo #5 is the back tub, all seedlings, 10 days veg. yay got flash to work shielding led.
4. Photo #6 lousy photo, but it's the large plant roots. The issue is the discoloration near the lower part. This part was not in the water. Below is in the water. I added hygrozyme today and just added about a 1/2 gal water which covered the discolored roots.
Do I have a root issue there? If so, should I expect to see the hygrozyme take care of it? How often do I add more hygrozyme if at all in same water (between weekly rez changes I mean).
Overall I think they all look pretty darn good. I may have been premature a bit in buying AN sensi grow A & B as I wont use it till a rez change and if I switch to 12/12 based on your guys opinions then it wont be used. I was getting these nutes to try to cut down on the ph swings. This also means I better get on it and get my AN Bloom nutes too!
I didnt order a chiller yet as I'm waiting on a response to a couple questions I had with someone. /psst stevehman
ok pics:
Magic beans
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The plant is preflowering and you shouldnt worry. It takes longer i hear under 24/7 but they will preflower. As growgsl said, those plants will stretch in 12/12. Me personally i would top the main plant and let the others catch up before inducing 12/12. Id also wait til they cover more area as to not waste light. You want to switch when 25% give or take of the light gets through to the floor (or lid or your dwc) so that the stretch will fill them out and cover that space. You dont want to waste precious LED lighting!
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Well, I fimmed the main plant already. So now there really isnt any topping to do right? I dont have enough of a grip on this part yet.
Edit: any opinions on the roots?
Magic beans
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You can either top other branches that go ahead of the pack or my new favorite: LST. If you dont know what LST is its Low Stress Training. Basically just tying your plants down. Look it up. Its great. Use it for controlling plant structure when theyre getting too tall or use more veg time and fill more space. For you id say DEFINITELY veg a lil longer and top/lst branches that get too tall until you fill enough space then switch. You might not have to do anything to the smaller ones BUT... You might want to 
its all about experimentation to find whats right for you
its all about experimentation to find whats right for youNeed a clearer shot of the roots, unfortunately - tough to see what's really going on. Is that yellow-brownish band what you're talking about?
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Yes. Thats what was above the water...the water line so to speak. Water was down about 1/2 gal. The band would be about the top of that 1/2 gal maybe less. I added plain ro water with a bit more hygrozyme to cover the band as a precaution.
I should be able to provide better pics after my new camera arrives, hopefully tomorrow.
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You can either top other branches that go ahead of the pack or my new favorite: LST. If you dont know what LST is its Low Stress Training. Basically just tying your plants down. Look it up. Its great. Use it for controlling plant structure when theyre getting too tall or use more veg time and fill more space. For you id say DEFINITELY veg a lil longer and top/lst branches that get too tall until you fill enough space then switch. You might not have to do anything to the smaller ones BUT... You might want to
I almost hate to touch that one. It's so damn bushy. Having fimmed it, the top four branches are the fim results, which coincidently includes the pic where my fingers are above.
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Well, twas a long evening. I picked up a chiller, yay. Naturally when I got home I took everything out. Chiller unpacked, extra fittings I bought, pump, etc, and started to lay it all out and think how it all goes together. Then I noticed the stock drain plugs in the tubs were for 1/2" hoes and I bought 3/4". Well lovely, off to Home Depot before they close. 
10 hose clamps later I return.
I setup 10 gals of nutrient so it's all ready to go. This time it's AN Sensi Grow A & B. Supposed to be "ph perfect" so we'll see. And since I'm setting this up as a two tub recirculating DWC now, both tubs have to be on the same nutrients. I set aside 2 gals tap (really hard water) per AN suggestion to make up the difference of 6 gals per res. This will bump my ppm a bit as it comes out of tap around 400ppm. However I'm also going to run 75% veg mix instead of full 100.
I drilled a fill hole in the unused reserve tub above the 6 gal water line. Once the hole was drilled, I drained a tub, cleaned it, drilled a fill hole in that tub. Naturally cleaned the stones as well. One pump is pulled since roots are below water line.
It took a bit of maneuvering but I finally figured out the tub positioning. Sadly I chose to drill the fill holes on the side. This made me spread the tubs way more than needed. Had I used the ends I could have brought them closer together and more of the light would be used. Now as it is I'm probably wasting 4" of light lengthwise. I'll fix that next grow. It'll be fine for now.
I also took this time to put insulation tape over one of the covers. I'll do the 2nd cover when the roots are fully under the water line. Probably Sun-Mon.
The chiller is outside the tent to avoid heat generation inside. It's rated for 132 gal res and I'm only using 16. My external pump is 396 gph. In less than 1 hour the chiller reads 69f but the tubs are still 75. So it'll take a while. The temps outside the tent are climbing a bunch because of the chiller. I know it'll effect my tent temps. I had those dialed perfect too.
I also added 100ml hygrozyme to the mix. The roots of the big plant I'm worried a bit about but hopefully everything is fine or will be within the next day or two. A couple of her main branches started to fall over a bit during the project. They were all basically out of water for 3 hrs nearly. Only getting root sprays from a water bottle every so often.
My new camera didnt arrive, but I dropped a cfl in the tent and turned off the LED for a cpl mins to take pics.
10 hose clamps later I return.
I setup 10 gals of nutrient so it's all ready to go. This time it's AN Sensi Grow A & B. Supposed to be "ph perfect" so we'll see. And since I'm setting this up as a two tub recirculating DWC now, both tubs have to be on the same nutrients. I set aside 2 gals tap (really hard water) per AN suggestion to make up the difference of 6 gals per res. This will bump my ppm a bit as it comes out of tap around 400ppm. However I'm also going to run 75% veg mix instead of full 100.
I drilled a fill hole in the unused reserve tub above the 6 gal water line. Once the hole was drilled, I drained a tub, cleaned it, drilled a fill hole in that tub. Naturally cleaned the stones as well. One pump is pulled since roots are below water line.
It took a bit of maneuvering but I finally figured out the tub positioning. Sadly I chose to drill the fill holes on the side. This made me spread the tubs way more than needed. Had I used the ends I could have brought them closer together and more of the light would be used. Now as it is I'm probably wasting 4" of light lengthwise. I'll fix that next grow. It'll be fine for now.
I also took this time to put insulation tape over one of the covers. I'll do the 2nd cover when the roots are fully under the water line. Probably Sun-Mon.
The chiller is outside the tent to avoid heat generation inside. It's rated for 132 gal res and I'm only using 16. My external pump is 396 gph. In less than 1 hour the chiller reads 69f but the tubs are still 75. So it'll take a while. The temps outside the tent are climbing a bunch because of the chiller. I know it'll effect my tent temps. I had those dialed perfect too.
I also added 100ml hygrozyme to the mix. The roots of the big plant I'm worried a bit about but hopefully everything is fine or will be within the next day or two. A couple of her main branches started to fall over a bit during the project. They were all basically out of water for 3 hrs nearly. Only getting root sprays from a water bottle every so often.
My new camera didnt arrive, but I dropped a cfl in the tent and turned off the LED for a cpl mins to take pics.
ShutUpDonny
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REALLY digging this journal. Thanks for the opportunity to learn right along with you. It may be way late, but Mama always said I'm a late bloomer (possible pun alert) so I'm subbing anydamnway.
Keep up the great work!
Keep up the great work!
Yeah, that chiller is chill :icon_cool
I've become envious of your set up my friend. You're getting very advanced in that tent
You're so dialed into this grow now. That's not an opinion either. The look of those seedlings compared to the lone survivor that is a few weeks ahead proves it! You've got some good and healthy young ones there. Keep it up Bass!
On a side note...it seems that Nirvana's genetics (at least with the AK 48) are solid. Looks like you possibly have two different, but very close phenos in the batch? Those fat leaved ones remind me so much of my Nirvana AK's.
Awesome job Bass!
I've become envious of your set up my friend. You're getting very advanced in that tent
You're so dialed into this grow now. That's not an opinion either. The look of those seedlings compared to the lone survivor that is a few weeks ahead proves it! You've got some good and healthy young ones there. Keep it up Bass!
On a side note...it seems that Nirvana's genetics (at least with the AK 48) are solid. Looks like you possibly have two different, but very close phenos in the batch? Those fat leaved ones remind me so much of my Nirvana AK's.
Awesome job Bass!
Actually after skimming the pics again. They all look like each other, very steady genetics.
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Shutup, nobody wants your opinion. just shutupdonny.
I couldnt resist!
Thanks for coming along for the ride SuD (I like SuD for short).
The folks here have helped tons so far. I can't say how much putting in the countless hours of reading and asking questions helps to understand the process. I may be an old dog (1st concert KISS was 3rd billing to date me) but I am certainly learning new tricks daily.
I just got my new camera and about to make an update with better photos.
I couldnt resist!
Thanks for coming along for the ride SuD (I like SuD for short).
The folks here have helped tons so far. I can't say how much putting in the countless hours of reading and asking questions helps to understand the process. I may be an old dog (1st concert KISS was 3rd billing to date me) but I am certainly learning new tricks daily.
I just got my new camera and about to make an update with better photos.
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Ok, chiller going for about 16 hrs now. I have it set to 64f. Actual temp in tubs = 68f
PH fluctuation is WAY down since switching to AN nutes and having added 3 gals of really hard tap water (400ppm). I planned on adding 2 gals (5 gal ro/1 gal tap per tub) but added a 3rd to make up for whatever amount the chiller holds.
PH: 6.4-6.7
PPM: 1000
Water temp: 68f
Tent temp: 84-90f
Humidity: 38 and climbing
I let the humidity stay low until water temps & levels stabilized. I now added a med size bath towel and soaked it hard, dripping into a 5 gal bucket. I can increase it more later if need be.
Tent temp is a bit higher since the ambient in the room is higher due to chiller exhaust. I wont be able to change this unless I adjust the house AC down which is expensive. I should be able to keep it between 82-86 without doing so.
New camera came in today as well. It only took me 3 hrs to figure out how to at least get todays photos done. I'll work on my macro skills.
Main plant is on day 26 of veg. All others are on day 12 of veg.
Subject to change, plan is to go 12/12 about Oct 7th-10 time frame.
Here's the main plant 6"+ tall. Grew about 1 1/2" in two days. She even wilted a bit during the 3 hours out of tub during chiller setup and getting only root spray.
Same tub. Notice the leave sizes/shapes between the three? Any thoughts?
Tub 2:
These look happy as clams
Here's the fugly one. Any thoughts on cause and repair would be awesome. I'm just glad I could get decent pics on it. Pics 1 & 3 are same plant.
Notice the highlighted area on this one. Any concerns?
PH fluctuation is WAY down since switching to AN nutes and having added 3 gals of really hard tap water (400ppm). I planned on adding 2 gals (5 gal ro/1 gal tap per tub) but added a 3rd to make up for whatever amount the chiller holds.
PH: 6.4-6.7
PPM: 1000
Water temp: 68f
Tent temp: 84-90f
Humidity: 38 and climbing
I let the humidity stay low until water temps & levels stabilized. I now added a med size bath towel and soaked it hard, dripping into a 5 gal bucket. I can increase it more later if need be.
Tent temp is a bit higher since the ambient in the room is higher due to chiller exhaust. I wont be able to change this unless I adjust the house AC down which is expensive. I should be able to keep it between 82-86 without doing so.
New camera came in today as well. It only took me 3 hrs to figure out how to at least get todays photos done. I'll work on my macro skills.
Main plant is on day 26 of veg. All others are on day 12 of veg.
Subject to change, plan is to go 12/12 about Oct 7th-10 time frame.
Here's the main plant 6"+ tall. Grew about 1 1/2" in two days. She even wilted a bit during the 3 hours out of tub during chiller setup and getting only root spray.
Same tub. Notice the leave sizes/shapes between the three? Any thoughts?
Tub 2:
These look happy as clams
Here's the fugly one. Any thoughts on cause and repair would be awesome. I'm just glad I could get decent pics on it. Pics 1 & 3 are same plant.
Notice the highlighted area on this one. Any concerns?
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Yeah, that chiller is chill :icon_cool
I've become envious of your set up my friend. You're getting very advanced in that tent
You're so dialed into this grow now. That's not an opinion either. The look of those seedlings compared to the lone survivor that is a few weeks ahead proves it! You've got some good and healthy young ones there. Keep it up Bass!
On a side note...it seems that Nirvana's genetics (at least with the AK 48) are solid. Looks like you possibly have two different, but very close phenos in the batch? Those fat leaved ones remind me so much of my Nirvana AK's.
Awesome job Bass!
Thanks Dog! More reps for ya finally for all your support and encouragement from even my very 1st post.
Take a look at my most recent update and you'll see I actually question the slight oddity of difference between the plants. The main plant looks to be a different pheno ya?
I think (could use confirmation here) the main plant and the plant in the 3rd photo above are the best pics for clones ya?
Bass, are you using R/O water?