Autos v. Photos - A 5x5 No Rules Fight for Yield: A Jon & NickHardy Gig

that co2 level is off the fing charts for just in the air.. not since the dinosaurs where running in the artic ..

The Co2 level is 402 PPM that’s lower than background at noon in the countryside - about 420 PPM. In a city its around 600 because of traffic or whatever other urban sources - pollution. The gas was off yesterday as I said twice in two posts above.

If its off the charts - its on the low side - it’ll actually go to 200 after a day of no gas. Its a closed loop system so the plants consume the natural background Co2 its not air tight so there is some fresh air replenishment but they gulp it all in.
 
The Co2 level is 402 PPM that’s lower than background at noon in the countryside - about 420 PPM. In a city its around 600 because of traffic or whatever other urban sources - pollution. The gas was off yesterday as I said twice in two posts above.

If its off the charts - its on the low side - it’ll actually go to 200 after a day of no gas. Its a closed loop system so the plants consume the natural background Co2 its not air tight so there is some fresh air replenishment but they gulp it all in.

atmospheric co2 has risen 100 ppm over the last 60 yrs this is global averages from 320 to over 420 ppm now 424 area.

plenty of co2 for your plants in the air .. are you running super hot tents?
 
atmospheric co2 has risen 100 ppm over the last 60 yrs this is global averages from 320 to over 420 ppm now 424 area.

plenty of co2 for your plants in the air .. are you running super hot tents?
I’ll be honest Delta - this is getting a bit wearisome, and I don’t say that lightly.

I keep giving you details like my tent temperatures and Co2 levels which you seem not to read.

You just give strictures to us on how to grow half a pound off top colas and save the lower stuff for cooking. That’s great and I follow your thread. Works for you then its the way to grow! There is stuff I think I wrote there about the early yellowed leaves I mentioned a few weeks back when they were much smaller but I tried to do so in a constructive feedback way (N def) I am never going to proscribe some “correct” way. Your run off to x% the pot hmm OK seems like a waste of nutes to me. But works for you, awesome!

We all have our different motivations and interests. I am interested and learn from people growing full organic, SIPs, table tops, soil, coco, DWC, bell syphons and indeed some crazy that schleps his plants inside and out. My commercial farmer mate taught me to read the plants - he’s grown every which way. Late start to his out door season so its only 1200 plants. I learn a little from all and would never dream of saying its gotta be this way”

I read a lot and when I do something its been really thought through. I give my rationale and then if it fails I fess to it quick and easy normally with a rueful grin, a joke for deflection and then telling the person they were right. Its the fun of the game for me.

I grow for max yield to sell. The style is coco, small pots, liquid nutes, loads of lights and Co2. I’ve grown a lot, like 11 kilos this way in less than a year. Next year will be more and better quality. All tested for THC too - I take it semi seriously 😂

But with respect - if you don’t like my style of growing (and Jon’s will not be dissimilar) its fine. There are 100’s of other grows and this one is as the thread title suggests Jon v Nick.

if you were giving real thought out opinions rather than “50w per sq/f - its the law” or “Co2 is bad” without the ability to substantiate the first or understand why the plants actually consume the Co2 (and any other in the area) it’d be interesting. Open to opinions and new learning for sure.

This is a journal between two mates, other sides of the world. We have loads of the above types of growers watching along, the table toppers, your outdoor growers, your up a tree growers, in your bedroom growers following along for which we’re thankful. They aren’t going to change their grow styles reading this any more than we expect you to change yours.

You’re also not going to convince either of us to change our styles to yours I suspect!

Its meant to fun but boy is it gonna be competitive!

So follow or don’t. But please be respectful of our styles of grow in our journal is all I ask. We’re all about positivity here.

Nick - with love, stumbling over the end of line at the end of a long, long 2023!
 
I’ll be honest Delta - this is getting a bit wearisome, and I don’t say that lightly.

I keep giving you details like my tent temperatures and Co2 levels which you seem not to read.

You just give strictures to us on how to grow half a pound off top colas and save the lower stuff for cooking. That’s great and I follow your thread. Works for you then its the way to grow! There is stuff I think I wrote there about the early yellowed leaves I mentioned a few weeks back when they were much smaller but I tried to do so in a constructive feedback way (N def) I am never going to proscribe some “correct” way. Your run off to x% the pot hmm OK seems like a waste of nutes to me. But works for you, awesome!

We all have our different motivations and interests. I am interested and learn from people growing full organic, SIPs, table tops, soil, coco, DWC, bell syphons and indeed some crazy that schleps his plants inside and out. My commercial farmer mate taught me to read the plants - he’s grown every which way. Late start to his out door season so its only 1200 plants. I learn a little from all and would never dream of saying its gotta be this way”

I read a lot and when I do something its been really thought through. I give my rationale and then if it fails I fess to it quick and easy normally with a rueful grin, a joke for deflection and then telling the person they were right. Its the fun of the game for me.

I grow for max yield to sell. The style is coco, small pots, liquid nutes, loads of lights and Co2. I’ve grown a lot, like 11 kilos this way in less than a year. Next year will be more and better quality. All tested for THC too - I take it semi seriously 😂

But with respect - if you don’t like my style of growing (and Jon’s will not be dissimilar) its fine. There are 100’s of other grows and this one is as the thread title suggests Jon v Nick.

if you were giving real thought out opinions rather than “50w per sq/f - its the law” or “Co2 is bad” without the ability to substantiate the first or understand why the plants actually consume the Co2 (and any other in the area) it’d be interesting. Open to opinions and new learning for sure.

This is a journal between two mates, other sides of the world. We have loads of the above types of growers watching along, the table toppers, your outdoor growers, your up a tree growers, in your bedroom growers following along for which we’re thankful. They aren’t going to change their grow styles reading this any more than we expect you to change yours.

You’re also not going to convince either of us to change our styles to yours I suspect!

Its meant to fun but boy is it gonna be competitive!

So follow or don’t. But please be respectful of our styles of grow in our journal is all I ask. We’re all about positivity here.

Nick - with love, stumbling over the end of line at the end of a long, long 2023!
Well said 👍
 
indoor growing 4 to 5 ft high is all you need good sized plant yielding 1/2 pound of top buds.. bottom buds to the
cooking box..
Depends on how you define “all you need.”
:rofl:
 
Hey @NickHardy - just got my notice. My reinforcements are arriving today. I brought in some big guns. Bruce Banner auto. Gorilla Cookies Auto. Plus two mystery bean autos. The BB I’m sure you’ve grown. I’ve grown the Hulkberry, which is essentially the same thing. It’s a massive yielder. The GC is also supposed to be a massive yielder. Supposedly one of FastBuds highest. I already know the Watermelon Wedding Cake is foolproof. So I have 2 WWCs, 2 GCs, 1 BB, and that’s the five big plants. All I have to do now is pick the two 3-gallon semi organics. I’m thinking maybe a Double Grape and a Cherry Pie again. This current CP is (I’m guessing obviously) a 12-14 ounce plant and may break my auto record of 13.9 ounces jarred. I have no jars large enough to keep the buds as is. But mostly they really are single colas. It’ll take some work to break them down. Anyway, I’m close. I can begin as soon as you’re ready. Are we yet in a position to select an “official” drop day? I think it will be cool if we drop at the same time. Seeds, Nick. I don’t have enough musicians here to justify dropping something a bit more….involved. Lmao!
 
OK let me have a think. The holidays messing with my deliveries from overseas.i’ll revisit what’s in country then I can get in the next few days.

I was thinking of a fun rule even things up on the classic Photos yield more because you can veg them longer thing.

What if I have to flip when yours hit flower? Its easy enough, send some pics and I’m sure they’ll be people judge? The crowd is the referee!

I’m aiming for seed to flip 40 days max.

I just won’t have a light free for say 50 days from now for flower. Original plan was pop 5th right?

Seeds and tent are fine.

Be more fun to pop together or chop together?

OK - I can get the tent here and the seeds,

The good seeds, the gkengarry seeds

Well maybe not my first choice but no complaints I know some stuff in country (nearly all Barney’s range is available overnight if I order in the morning. A Mars tent a week but don't need that til post prop.

I can figure out the light in a couple of weeks.

Yeah I can rock ‘n roll on the 5th Jan. I’m picking something short flower time. 8 weeks max. Puts me at 90-100 days pop to harvest. I need either a ne veg light or just another 1000w one.

Jeez - & Co

- “Honey I not believe this light free again, I saw the FedEx import documents the last one! You already pay money 😂

OK - agreed 5th?

Light swapping is fine but within the same 5x5, yeah?

You’re sidelighting and I’m cool with that, I’ll just maybe need to switch my main light between veg and flower.

Cool in the gang?

Nick
 
OK let me have a think. The holidays messing with my deliveries from overseas.i’ll revisit what’s in country then I can get in the next few days.

I was thinking of a fun rule even things up on the classic Photos yield more because you can veg them longer thing.

What if I have to flip when yours hit flower? Its easy enough, send some pics and I’m sure they’ll be people judge? The crowd is the referee!

I’m aiming for seed to flip 40 days max.

I just won’t have a light free for say 50 days from now for flower. Original plan was pop 5th right?

Seeds and tent are fine.

Be more fun to pop together or chop together?

OK - I can get the tent here and the seeds,



Well maybe not my first choice but no complaints I know some stuff in country (nearly all Barney’s range is available overnight if I order in the morning. A Mars tent a week but don't need that til post prop.

I can figure out the light in a couple of weeks.

Yeah I can rock ‘n roll on the 5th Jan. I’m picking something short flower time. 8 weeks max. Puts me at 90-100 days pop to harvest. I need either a ne veg light or just another 1000w one.

Jeez - & Co

- “Honey I not believe this light free again, I saw the FedEx import documents the last one! You already pay money 😂

OK - agreed 5th?

Light swapping is fine but within the same 5x5, yeah?

You’re sidelighting and I’m cool with that, I’ll just maybe need to switch my main light between veg and flower.

Cool in the gang?

Nick
Awesome. Jan 5 is drop day then!!! And yes on anything you want to do with any lighting within the 5x5. As far as veg time for you, I’ll get at least 40 days of veg from all mine. So you go ahead and veg forever if you like. If you flip at 40 we will finish approximately together. You go 60 I’ll finish ahead of you. Your veg time is of no consequence to me. lol!!!!
 
Awesome. Jan 5 is drop day then!!! And yes on anything you want to do with any lighting within the 5x5. As far as veg time for you, I’ll get at least 40 days of veg from all mine. So you go ahead and veg forever if you like. If you flip at 40 we will finish approximately together. You go 60 I’ll finish ahead of you. Your veg time is of no consequence to me. lol!!!!
This:

Photos yield more because you can veg them longer thing.

Not true in a tent situation like this, as I will prove to you shortly.
 
And this is why I have two Watermelon Wedding Cakes in this contest.

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OK let me have a think. The holidays messing with my deliveries from overseas.i’ll revisit what’s in country then I can get in the next few days.
I had a think - near everyhing is out of stock and Thailand is on holiday basically until Wednesday. Don’t celebrate Christmas but man do they take New Year seriously🤣

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This is what I could get.

Shout out to one of the sponsors her though @Barney's Farm who are super reliable. Bubba Kush allegedly last 7 seeds in the country. No idea what it is! I’ll read about the strain later.

Then some OG Kush from Seedstockers. Now this I have heard of! They lose a bag of OG Kush in the TV Show, Entourage, right? Other than that, no clue? Nice strain?!


If you flip at 40 we will finish approximately together.

40 days max is what I aim for. I’m not planning on opening a 12 pack of whoop ass on you and it being about I vegged for 90 days 😂. I need to figure out a light issue for veg but that’s in hand.

As my Nanna used to say before she shuffled up the cards to deal, “A quick game is a good game, get those antes and blinds in before I’ve knocked back this sherry or double the blinds”

We’re on. They’ll arrive in time for the 5th.

🤣
 
Northern Lights (Seedsman) is a nice plant, but not for this grow. She’s out. I thought I’d get more veg time from her but she’s beginning to think about flipping now.
 
I had a think - near everyhing is out of stock and Thailand is on holiday basically until Wednesday. Don’t celebrate Christmas but man do they take New Year seriously🤣

e47af7ba-7d27-41ca-bd8c-473bcc7e06ae.jpeg


This is what I could get.

Shout out to one of the sponsors her though @Barney's Farm who are super reliable. Bubba Kush allegedly last 7 seeds in the country. No idea what it is! I’ll read about the strain later.

Then some OG Kudh from Seedstockers. Now this I have heard of! They lose a bag of OG Kush in the TV Show, Entourage, right? Other than that, no clue? Nice strain?!




40 days max is what I aim for. I’m not planning on opening a 12 pack of whoop ass on you and it being about I vegged for 90 days 😂. I need to figure out a light issue for veg but that’s in hand.

As my Nanna used to say before she shuffled up the cards to deal, “A quick game is a good game, get those antes and blinds in before I’ve knocked back this sherry or double the blinds”

We’re on. They’ll arrive in time for the 5th.

🤣
You don’t know from Bubba Kush? Ha. You’re in for a treat.
 
It’s gonna take 4 pounds to win this. All I have to do to make that is average 9 ounces per auto, a tiny bit more than that. Cake. Can you get 4+ pounds from a 5x5? Can I with autos? We will see.
 
Nick Hardy Confirmed Strains

6x @Barney's Farm Bubba Kush


Bubba Kush is a remarkable weed strain and has descended from the famous genetics originally discovered by somebody only known as ‘Bubbha’ in the US. It has now been stabilised by the team and elevated to a standard that befits its well known history and reputation. This surely is one of the most loved Indicas in the world, Bubba Kush weighing in at a startling 29% THC. Bubba Kush is a cheeky yet productive plant that will not become excessively tall during her speedy 8 to 9 week flowering period. Because of this characteristic she can be an ideal candidate for those seeking a powerful hard hitting strain that does not take up a huge amount of space whilst budding.



Performance is not compromised in any way whatsoever, however, with final yields of up to 600g/m2 indoors easily reached by applying a little love and care to Bubba’s needs. Blast yourself flying through into the world of Bubba Kush and experience one of the most soothing cannabis strains in the world. Genuine Afghani landrace lineage ensures absolutely outstanding potency, with exotic fragrances from the east reminiscent of aromatic Turkish delight chocolate bars. Why not take a ride on the unique magical carpet ride that is the one and only Bubba Kush strain?

6x @Seedstockers OG Kush

Our original OG Kush combines a deeply satisfying and rich genuine Kush taste with one of the strongest smokes in our collection. This is a top quality and top strength cannabis seed variety made with the best west-coast USA OG genetics. Harvest quantities are above average, the buds are firm and dripping with resin. This powerful indica dominant variety delivers a heavy-hitting effect which will also be popular with medical growers looking for powerful pain relief. THC consistently 22%-24%+.

So 12 Plants in my 5x5 all in 3 litre/110oz Giant Solo Cups because that's how I roll. All in Coco, DP nutes, and Co2. Like the scorpions said to the frog!

Let's get reeeady to rumble - we are T-Minus 8 Days to popping!

Let's have fun about growing in the mean time, please feel free to comment on strains, on style, lights, gas or not, but respect always please, Jon has his supporters, I'm still trying to get my Mum to sign up so I get some support too! Come with happy heart, chat, please. Say hello!

But the best bit would be we get the input along the way of the so many growers with interesting things from their own styles to compare along the way - we both have other journals and anyone reads them will see - we're both after edges to win! I'm researching plant hormones! That's not my normal thing! We just want it to be fun to read and I know Jon and I are both going to learn new stuff, even one person gets a light bulb moment off the growing it'll be worth it!

Nick (aye winna aye winna chicken dinna)

❤️

PS - anyone thinks I was scared so went with old reliable Kush's? Yeah you're 100% right! Jon has got me nervous, don't tell him though!
 
In case anyone missed it, we have an official drop day.

This grow will officially begin with a coordinated seed drop on January 5th.

FYI - we have decided to allow over dropping/selection. I will be doing it that way. I’ll drop an extra seed of each strain and pick the best 7 for the grow once they’re up and have one set of leaves or so. I believe Nick is doing the same. We will come up with an official, “ok, this is it, these are the plants we go with” at some point around then. So it’s on, January 5th! That should get me to PA in early May. @NickHardy, did you ask the powers that be to create us a special icon to go with the other ones in our signatures? I’d love to head to PA with an icon I won by slaughtering you. It could be a bloody sword with the loser’s head on it!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

So sayeth Nick and his other Co.
 
You don’t know from Bubba Kush? Ha. You’re in for a treat.
First time I've been able to find it not sold out here. Its my cup of tea reading about it!
Can you get 4+ pounds from a 5x5
I'll let you know how my first bash at it goes in 7 weeks!

did you ask the powers that be to create us a special icon to go with the other ones in our signatures? I’d love to head to PA with an icon I won by slaughtering you. It could be a bloody sword with the loser’s head on it!
Lolz - personally I'd go for Teddy Edward's Iron Fist (in a titanium glove) smashing the loser but - yeah no, any month I don't get in trouble with the overworked stressed out staff is a good month! I'm the wrong person to approach the powers that be!

Good clean fun fight and Fenway next Fall 😆

Nick
 
Nick Hardy Confirmed Strains

6x @Barney's Farm Bubba Kush



6x @Seedstockers OG Kush




So 12 Plants in my 5x5 all in 3 litre/110oz Giant Solo Cups because that's how I roll. All in Coco, DP nutes, and Co2. Like the scorpions said to the frog!

Let's get reeeady to rumble - we are T-Minus 8 Days to popping!

Let's have fun about growing in the mean time, please feel free to comment on strains, on style, lights, gas or not, but respect always please, Jon has his supporters, I'm still trying to get my Mum to sign up so I get some support too! Come with happy heart, chat, please. Say hello!

But the best bit would be we get the input along the way of the so many growers with interesting things from their own styles to compare along the way - we both have other journals and anyone reads them will see - we're both after edges to win! I'm researching plant hormones! That's not my normal thing! We just want it to be fun to read and I know Jon and I are both going to learn new stuff, even one person gets a light bulb moment off the growing it'll be worth it!

Nick (aye winna aye winna chicken dinna)

❤️

PS - anyone thinks I was scared so went with old reliable Kush's? Yeah you're 100% right! Jon has got me nervous, don't tell him though!
Ok! I’ll have my final lineup later this afternoon after the mail comes. Good stuff. You went with ultra yielders too. And those match up pretty well, which was my challenge. I don’t sell weed like you, so I want variety AND the win. Otherwise I’d grow 5 Watermelon Wedding Cakes and walk with the trophy. But with variety as one of my personal requirements, I had to pick strains I believe grow and stretch about the same, and hopefully finish around the same time. Hard to get an entire flat canopy in a 5x5 with no screen and different strains. But that’s how I roll.
 
First time I've been able to find it not sold out here. Its my cup of tea reading about it!

I'll let you know how my first bash at it goes in 7 weeks!


Lolz - personally I'd go for Teddy Edward's Iron Fist (in a titanium glove) smashing the loser but - yeah no, any month I don't get in trouble with the overworked stressed out staff is a good month! I'm the wrong person to approach the powers that be!

Good clean fun fight and Fenway next Fall 😆

Nick
FTFY

Good clean fun fight and Citizens Bank Park next Fall 😆

:rofl:
 
First time I've been able to find it not sold out here. Its my cup of tea reading about it!

I'll let you know how my first bash at it goes in 7 weeks!


Lolz - personally I'd go for Teddy Edward's Iron Fist (in a titanium glove) smashing the loser but - yeah no, any month I don't get in trouble with the overworked stressed out staff is a good month! I'm the wrong person to approach the powers that be!

Good clean fun fight and Fenway next Fall 😆

Nick
Just kidding my man. God, if I was willing to be THAT big of a dick I’d be in the wrong thread. I’m in the same boat as you, lol.
 
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