Autoflower Myth Busting Thread

Here ya go thus will help... we train to maximize the use of your lights and create an even canopy.. the further the light has to tavel it is less effective... notice how your top buds are always more dense and produce more than the smaller lower ones... this is due to the light not reaching the bottom and developing them more but you can't lower the light more as to not burn the top cola... when you train by bending the main cola to the edge ot the pot it sends a signal to the other branches along with the added light it causes them to shoot up to be the "main" cola. Then with the even canopy all of your buds up top receive the max amount of light and this will make bigger denser buds and increase your yield...
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Yeah, that makes sense - I gotta figure out a way to tie them down (not in soil so I gotta work around the lack of anything below them to anchor into/onto) I think I'd like to try this on the next batch - especially if it keeps them under 4 ft. I'll try this somehow on the blue mystic I just started when they get big enough. I am guessing you pull them over when they're about a foot tall? or at some number of nodes?
 
growchick said:
Do you force them to be wider when you do this? What I'm trying to ask is would they take up a larger footprint on the floor because they're tied down and over than they do when they're left to grow unfettered? I can't let my garden get any wider, or it will be out of optimal light area. But I really could benefit from slightly shorter plants than I'm getting now.
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My Dark Devil Auto is only slightly wider than the 5 gal smart pot and 20 inches at the end of week 7.
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Atrain said:
Ok guys I trimmed a few fans covering some bud sites and wanted to share these with you... see the leaves on this plant... when feeding autos with my schedule this is what you want to see... notice how nice an green the leaves are... but look at the tips... they are slightly burnt this does not hurt the plant at all but we want to push the autos as hard as possible with out going over.. we up the base nutes gradually and watch for the SLIGHT TIP BURN then we know we're in the sweet zone. Once you notice the tip burn back the base nutes down .5ml/L and continue the same feed schedule everyday... the tip will stop progressing and your plant will thrive on what we now know Is the max dose of base it can handle...
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I feel like this post gives me the ok I need to go trim a few of those fan leaves blocking bud sites. Thanks, A! :Namaste:
 
growchick said:
I don't really want shorter plants - I'm just kinda amazed at the output per tiny plant in this thread. I guess part of it is that most of those short ones are done under CFL lights so they just have a lot less light than my plants have access to. It's super cool seeing these high yielding midgets, for sure!

I have considered attempting to learn to LST mine in the future though. Ideally, I need them not to go over 3 feet, and they usually run to 4. I'm thinking the LST might keep them from going over 3 feet, but I dunno, I also kinda hate to torture them like that. LOL
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I think in hydro you just have to go for something that has been bred to stay really short.

Plants should grow faster in hydro than in soil so when you are working with a fixed timescale with autos you should get taller plants. If breeder's info says 1m don't be surprised if it gets to 1.5m+ for example.

The taller of my 2 current autos is about 20cm tall at the start of day 21.....
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...hopefully it will get over 1m but things seem a little slower this run. I think I'm having low temp issues even with a 600W HPS on 20 hours a day!
 
Kushtie said:
I think in hydro you just have to go for something that has been bred to stay really short.

Plants should grow faster in hydro than in soil so when you are working with a fixed timescale with autos you should get taller plants. If breeder's info says 1m don't be surprised if it gets to 1.5m+ for example.

The taller of my 2 current autos is about 20cm tall at the start of day 21.....

...hopefully it will get over 1m but things seem a little slower this run. I think I'm having low temp issues even with a 600W HPS on 20 hours a day!
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I think you're probably right - all these cute little plants are in soil. I can't imagine having low temp issues - hahahah! What a blessing! ;)

I swear this one started growing again:

Four Feet and Counting /sigh
 
Atrain said:
I don't do it it's almost like topping... just my preference not to top or fim mine when I can achieve the same effect of many colas with LST.... saying that yes you can I follow a man elsewhere on the canna web who has grown some fine plants that he used that method on good luck however you decide to go
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I dunno what I'm talking about, really, but it seems to me that FIM on an auto is a mistake, just like topping would be or trying to take a clone would be because the plant is on a non light driven timer to produce buds. If you FIM very very early it might have time to recover and grow out before its bud start timer fires, but if you were too late when you did it, the energy spent recovering from the FIM would have been better spent continuing to build buds. All of the research I've done the last few weeks suggest LST is the only really viable thing to try to increase bud production on the autos because of this flower by timing effect they have rather than being flowered by reduction in light hours per day (which is why I'm so fascinated with Atrain's thread ^.^) Maybe if you are in soil versus in hydroponic situation, FIM is a more viable option to try on your plants. They really do seem to grow much faster in hydroponics. Also, it may be that the longer growing autos (those that are 70+ days from seed to harvest instead of 60 days) respond much better to doing it. From what I can figure out, though, you've got no way of knowing which autos will go short and which will go long. I planted 4 of the same plant recently, and I will have 4 different harvests because one will be ready next week, two should be ready the week after, and one won't be ready for, I'm guessing, at least four more weeks. Same plant - but each seed showed different traits from its ancestors than the others did. One is very indica, two are very sativa, and one is very ruderalis in the 4 I planted.
 
growchick ur so wrong about topping autos.my 3 topped autos on my current grow are 28 days old tmz and beasts they are.u want a big yield auto to top and u need to know when to top.but topping an auto does increase yield and makes a big bushy plant structure;) u just need to know what ur doing;) i will prove every1 wrong about topping autos when my current grow comes to an end i promise u that;)happy growing every1
 
here they are on day 24 of age all topped at 2 weeks of age middle plant is a smaller plant from the side 2 plants from dutch passion.but i a good auto bean plus topping does work;) can u tell they have been topped??? ha ha;)
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I've topped a lot, have one right now and if you do it right,, it's good to go. I'm convinced based in ten autos of one strain that a good LST is better. ATrains drawing down below is spot on. Side by side, same strain,, the ones I LST always do better. The key is spreading out the branches,, for me. But, I still top certain strains with good luck. I typically top around day 14. Early is best, try it, that's how you learn ;) I would not FIM an auto,, too much recovery time. And having done it many times,, it's still somewhat hit or miss,, if you miss on an auto,, it's toast as far as production is concerned.
 
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