Ase's Perpetual Fun With Coco

Annabanana said:
That's what The Cultivator advised also. I have put an inch layer of Perlite on top in case gnats didn't like it but I think the sand method would work better. But - what kind of sand? White beach sand? Yellow builders sand?
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Either will work fine
 
Asesino85 said:
I water with nutes everyday and I usually mix up 5 gallons each time and then use that to water for a couple days.
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do you introduce any air stones into it or do you just let it sit?
just curious as right now i have an airstone in my 5 gal reservoir that I use to feed my drip rings
 
Pat999 said:
Bro Nismo and Canna's journal is massive to follow. Was along with it but just got too much posting :rofl: that is a short finishing time though, hopefully the quality makes up for lack of quantity. I must still figure that whole NPK situation out. LoL get it, I am properly excited my girl already smells lovely this side. I have been looking at different things to add like FishMix from Biogrow and some molasses too later on. I don't think I would grow any autos
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Yeah I don't follow it either but they are good resources and have done so many things. The search function is pretty cool on this forum if you use it right though and when I searched Gorilla Glue Auto and saw it in their journal I decided to check it out. Nismo had already done all the legwork for me and had found similar grows to his where it was shorter and didn't produce too much so it is what it is! At least I know it's the strain when other great growers grew it and got similar results.

I can already tell the quality is going to be excellent. This plant will likely not be shared with anyone else but my two good buddies. Can't wait to see how your non-auto turns out for gorilla glue.
 
ShopGrow said:
It was my understanding that gnats and other bugs don't like coco to begin with. That's one of the benefits. I have not had any problems yet. Like ase said a couple bugs flying around isn't anything to worry.
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Soil often times comes with eggs in it. When they are exposed to the right conditions then all of a sudden you have bug problems. Coco does not so any bugs have to come from somewhere else. Bugs will find there way into anywhere though.

Suntana said:
Oh I don't know about that, I've dealt with mites,thrips and gnats all in coco. Just keep a heads up on them.
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You can definitely have them in coco but they prefer soil for sure. Mainly its the environment that causes the problem. Usually it means you have too humid of an environment. Bugs just don't plain like dry. Because coco dries out a lot faster the bugs find it harder to reproduce and thrive. If I just lessen my feedings and drop the humidity in the tent the bugs disappear quick. Everyone's grow area is different and everyone has different problems depending on what part of the world they live in though. I'm fortunate to have a pretty stable area.
 
gr0w said:
do you introduce any air stones into it or do you just let it sit?
just curious as right now i have an airstone in my 5 gal reservoir that I use to feed my drip rings
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I just let it sit. I go through probably 6 gallons of veg nutes and 6 gallons of flower nutes every 3 days currently (only because I only have 3 girls in flower, otherwise I usually run through the flower nutes a little faster). I hand feed though and just stir my buckets before feeding. Airstone might be an improvement but not something I've really looked into. The plants seem to like the way I do things, no need to change right now. In a reservoir I think it would be more important but I haven't gotten automated yet with my watering so until I do, I likely won't do much research on all that.
 
Asesino85 said:
Soil often times comes with eggs in it. When they are exposed to the right conditions then all of a sudden you have bug problems. Coco does not so any bugs have to come from somewhere else. Bugs will find there way into anywhere though.



You can definitely have them in coco but they prefer soil for sure. Mainly its the environment that causes the problem. Usually it means you have too humid of an environment. Bugs just don't plain like dry. Because coco dries out a lot faster the bugs find it harder to reproduce and thrive. If I just lessen my feedings and drop the humidity in the tent the bugs disappear quick. Everyone's grow area is different and everyone has different problems depending on what part of the world they live in though. I'm fortunate to have a pretty stable area.
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Thrips and Springtails came with a bag of coco, my fault, it was a bag bought from outside the garden store. Most often you are right, but if one gnat gets in and lays eggs, you will have a gnat problem .just giving these guys that think you can't get bugs in coco a heads up. ✌️.
 
Suntana said:
Thrips and Springtails came with a bag of coco, my fault, it was a bag bought from outside the garden store. Most often you are right, but if one gnat gets in and lays eggs, you will have a gnat problem .just giving these guys that think you can't get bugs in coco a heads up. ✌️.
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Yikes, yeah I wouldn't be buying anything from an outside garden store. I will say that springtails seemed to be very beneficial for me. Those are bugs I don't mind or worry about. I don't want to see them on the surface (which I don't) and the ones I have are pretty small. I've seen people have great grows with them and also claim they ate their plant but they seem to help my girls for sure. I'd flip if I saw thrips though.
 
Asesino85 said:
Yikes, yeah I wouldn't be buying anything from an outside garden store. I will say that springtails seemed to be very beneficial for me. Those are bugs I don't mind or worry about. I don't want to see them on the surface (which I don't) and the ones I have are pretty small. I've seen people have great grows with them and also claim they ate their plant but they seem to help my girls for sure. I'd flip if I saw thrips though.
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Ya, I don't know for sure if they caused the shitty growth when I did have them, but I did read if they don't have sufficient food (dead organic material) and the colony is large, they will make food by killing roots. Now I don't know if that's true or not lol, but I did have a shitty grow when I had them, could of been a genetic thing because some were nice and some was good for concentrates only. I did cut clones from them for another round and they turned out a lot better in different coco. I will never grab a wet soggy bag of coco ever again lol, lesson learned. .I actually have it shipped to the house now from the other side of Canada. Holland industries, cheapest canna coco I've found even with shipping. Not sure why it's so expensive in my neck of the woods and most won't ship. I used the blocks for the longest time but it's to much work with my condition.
Thrips I only had once, same soggy coco lol, but I'd take them over mites any day, them bastards are a process to eliminate.
Cheers Ase!
 
Asesino85 said:
Soil often times comes with eggs in it. When they are exposed to the right conditions then all of a sudden you have bug problems. Coco does not so any bugs have to come from somewhere else. Bugs will find there way into anywhere though.



You can definitely have them in coco but they prefer soil for sure. Mainly its the environment that causes the problem. Usually it means you have too humid of an environment. Bugs just don't plain like dry. Because coco dries out a lot faster the bugs find it harder to reproduce and thrive. If I just lessen my feedings and drop the humidity in the tent the bugs disappear quick. Everyone's grow area is different and everyone has different problems depending on what part of the world they live in though. I'm fortunate to have a pretty stable area.
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That's why I fucking love this site man. You learn more shit then you would have ever in the old days haha.
 
Thatdude84 said:
That's why I fucking love this site man. You learn more shit then you would have ever in the old days haha.
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Amen, I've had a few discussions with friends about this exact same thing. There are so many good grow books out there, especially old school ones but they have old information. A chunk of it is relevant but some of those "grow bibles you can't grow without" don't include anything on coco or LED. This forums has modern information with everything you possibly need to know. It has advanced methods and people post pictures so you can see exactly how the plant reacts. What more could you want to learn from?

The only issue with these forums is there is a lot of people with bad information. I never claim that mine is right or better than anyone else's but if people like my plants and my pictures (and ask questions about how I do it) then I am going to tell them what I did. There are quite a few people who read something off someones journal or a website and then spread it to a bunch of other people without waiting for results or doing research on the method. Kind of like the people who say, "don't touch an auto or you'll ruin it". They really just haven't put in the effort to find out what you can really do with one if you do it right. It's hard to decipher what's good information and bad information without much experience but eventually you find people you really like (and you like their grows/pictures) and you try their ways. It's exactly how I started and has gotten me to where I am today!
 
Hey ase. Have you done a full grow in 2 gallon smart pots. I've read on another forum people saying it worked great but no pics. Just wondering what your thoughts on 2 gallons are.
 
ShopGrow said:
Hey ase. Have you done a full grow in 2 gallon smart pots. I've read on another forum people saying it worked great but no pics. Just wondering what your thoughts on 2 gallons are.
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With the way that I like to grow and get the plants big and wide, I like the 3 gallon pots. I would have to water way too much in 2 gallon pots I feel. If you were going to clone and flip them pretty fast without training them a whole lot (besides topping) then I could see 2 gallon pots working. Maybe if you had an automated watering system it would be fine as well. I am half tempted to try a grow with 5 gallon pots again but I fear those plants might get too big and I don't want that. 3 gallon seems to be the happy place for me and it makes watering easy. Just the perfect size for hand watering.
 
Asesino85 said:
With the way that I like to grow and get the plants big and wide, I like the 3 gallon pots. I would have to water way too much in 2 gallon pots I feel. If you were going to clone and flip them pretty fast without training them a whole lot (besides topping) then I could see 2 gallon pots working. Maybe if you had an automated watering system it would be fine as well. I am half tempted to try a grow with 5 gallon pots again but I fear those plants might get too big and I don't want that. 3 gallon seems to be the happy place for me and it makes watering easy. Just the perfect size for hand watering.
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That was the only complaint I could seem to find was the watering. I use 2 gallon for my clones now that I feed every day. I shall stick with my 5 gallon till it's time for new then I will go down to 3 gallon. As that looks to be the average. Thanks for the feedback.
 
Asesino85 said:
Amen, I've had a few discussions with friends about this exact same thing. There are so many good grow books out there, especially old school ones but they have old information. A chunk of it is relevant but some of those "grow bibles you can't grow without" don't include anything on coco or LED. This forums has modern information with everything you possibly need to know. It has advanced methods and people post pictures so you can see exactly how the plant reacts. What more could you want to learn from?

The only issue with these forums is there is a lot of people with bad information. I never claim that mine is right or better than anyone else's but if people like my plants and my pictures (and ask questions about how I do it) then I am going to tell them what I did. There are quite a few people who read something off someones journal or a website and then spread it to a bunch of other people without waiting for results or doing research on the method. Kind of like the people who say, "don't touch an auto or you'll ruin it". They really just haven't put in the effort to find out what you can really do with one if you do it right. It's hard to decipher what's good information and bad information without much experience but eventually you find people you really like (and you like their grows/pictures) and you try their ways. It's exactly how I started and has gotten me to where I am today!
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Well said .
 
My experience with smaller pots was exactly that, I couldn't keep up with watering and ended up with salt build up, another one that went with that problem was pearlite, I was running about a 30% mix and that was adding to the pots drying up to fast. I found the balance of plant size and container size is pretty important when hand watering. Like you said Ase might have been ok with an automated watering system but when hand watering I guy needs to get some sleep sometime lol. At least now I'm not burning the poor buggers "knock on wood" as well as less waisted nutes .
 
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