Ase's Multi-Strain Quadlining In Coco

Heavenly Hybrid said:
Whew! Just got all caught up, subbed up and ready to see more from you! I appreciate how you describe the small changes (amber hairs, milky trichomes, etc) to know what stage the girls are at and what the next steps will be. Helps me know where I’m at and what to look for next. Congrats on JOTM, I’m learning a lot from it, so I’m not surprised at all! I’m on the edge of my seat to hear the final weight for this latest set! :popcorn:
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Welcome! I applaud you for going through the whole thing. No matter what I do it seems like my journals just fill up pretty quickly. I may start a new one for the next beans that I will pop here in the next couple weeks, we'll see. I haven't really gotten to show off my quadlining in a while so I might start fresh. At the same time, it's nice to have all the information in one place so who knows!

I believe people put the phases of growing into way too simple of stages, veg and flower. I like to split them into about 9 stages. It's a lot less simpler for sure but each phase needs different things done to it. I feel like when you know these stages then you can apply training to Auto's as well as maximize the quality and yield of them. I don't grow Autos too much but you can either just grow an Auto and be happy with it, or you can maximize it and get it a lot closer to a Photoperiod plant.

1. Germination
2. Seedling
3. Veg
4. Aggressive veg
5. Transition
6. Stretch
7. Budding
8. Fattening
9. Finishing

Thanks for the congrats on JOTM. It was truly a surprise and something I never thought I'd win so it was a nice thing to happen. I've been crazy busy and almost feel like I am neglecting my journal and my grows so it was a good boost for me. Glad to have you along and if you have any questions, please ask!
 
I’m thinking my WW1 is almost ready to harvest !! I fed her today for the last time I think I used my microscope and checked her all over. Found a few ambers here and there but mostly 90% cloudy ! My WW2 is a little behind 70-80% cloudy and no amber yet! Pulling out my loupe tomorrow for more pictures !!

I’ve got some pictures from the microscope in my journal from tonight !

Excited to start a new quad !!:cheer:

I’ll be studying :reading420magazine: your journal for the next week and taking in as much as I can !!

Hope all is well my man!
 
Day 50 Flower Panama and ATF Clones - Day 8 Flower Multistrain - Harvest Numbers

The Multistrain girls are looking healthier by the day. I still can't believe they managed to survive in those tiny pots. The Durban Poison is the one that was least slowed down and it's likely because I started her like 10 days later than the others. I had the typical Durban Poison germination problem. Anyways it is clear that it is the sativa of the 3 of them and the Indicas (Aurora Indica in back and Honeysuckle in front) look about the same. The AI is slightly better and healthier looking but yhey pretty much look like bushes. Once they are all done stretching I will defoliate them but I left all the leaves on because I expected problems. I wanted the plants to be able to pull from the leaves if need be.

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This is the first time I have taken a picture and thought to myself, "wow" in a while. The ATF scrog was cool but you just can't get pics like this doing it that way. Anyways the Panama is front left and the other two are ATF clones. The back one looks funky due to bending of the colas but the yield is going to be awesome. The girl I've had my eyes on for a while (don't tell my girlfriend) is the front right ATF clone. Holy cow she is gorgeous.
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I will do a full review on Stank ATF once I am able to smoke it after it has been jarred up. As you all expected, the yield was great. 530 grams ended up being the final tally. I'm going to be swimming in this stuff and judging by these other two clones, I will probably be swimming in it for the next half year! It smells incredible and is really frosty. I can't wait to have a good sativa on hand. It's been a while.
 
Asesino85 said:
Day 50 Flower Panama and ATF Clones - Day 8 Flower Multistrain - Harvest Numbers

The Multistrain girls are looking healthier by the day. I still can't believe they managed to survive in those tiny pots. The Durban Poison is the one that was least slowed down and it's likely because I started her like 10 days later than the others. I had the typical Durban Poison germination problem. Anyways it is clear that it is the sativa of the 3 of them and the Indicas (Aurora Indica in back and Honeysuckle in front) look about the same. The AI is slightly better and healthier looking but yhey pretty much look like bushes. Once they are all done stretching I will defoliate them but I left all the leaves on because I expected problems. I wanted the plants to be able to pull from the leaves if need be.

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This is the first time I have taken a picture and thought to myself, "wow" in a while. The ATF scrog was cool but you just can't get pics like this doing it that way. Anyways the Panama is front left and the other two are ATF clones. The back one looks funky due to bending of the colas but the yield is going to be awesome. The girl I've had my eyes on for a while (don't tell my girlfriend) is the front right ATF clone. Holy cow she is gorgeous.
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I will do a full review on Stank ATF once I am able to smoke it after it has been jarred up. As you all expected, the yield was great. 530 grams ended up being the final tally. I'm going to be swimming in this stuff and judging by these other two clones, I will probably be swimming in it for the next half year! It smells incredible and is really frosty. I can't wait to have a good sativa on hand. It's been a while.
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Wow them girls are looking gorgeous !:drool: The is looking full of lush goodness!!

Great job Ase!
 
Great effort and great results mate. Thanks a lot for this journal :goodjob:

I am planning to swap to coco for my next grow. I already have some nutrients but couldn't find any reliable information about them being compatible with coco or not. I have Advanced Nurients Connoisseur line but they are not for coco. I want to grow with the organic products like I am doing in my current soil grow.

Here is a list of what I have;
- General Organics, Bio Thrive Bloom - Diamond Black - Bio Bud
- Biobizz, Fish Mix - Algamic - Activera - Bio Heaven
- Advanced Nutrients, Cal Mag Xtra - Nirvana - Voodoo Juice - Piranha - Tarantula

I have experience in DWC hydro grow. I used Connoisseur line with this setup but they have an alternative coco version for almost every nutrient line so the conditions will be different than soil. I read stuff about coco being a very empty medium so I thought I would better ask someone with experience if I can use these products or not. I will get pH and EC meters. I got almost all the setup ready. Just need some help with the nutrient choice.

People advised me to water coco every day since it can hold around %30 O2 even if its soaking wet. Do you think this is a fact? Watering everyday will practically be the same thing with hydroponics. It sounds very promising :)

I would be happy if you can check my current grow and share if any advise occurs in your mind :passitleft:
 
Do you notice a substantial difference when using the root trio as opposed to just voodoo juice !?
 
I will let Ase answer most of it but the main difference between the AN standard line and their coco line is additional calmag and iron. I can't think of any reason not to use them. The organic stuff on have no experience with it in coco.

Watering everyday is the norm with coco. Pot size has a lot to do it but in flower it's not uncommon to water twice a day.
 
Dutchman1990 said:
Do you notice a substantial difference when using the root trio as opposed to just voodoo juice !?
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That is a great question. I have been asking myself the same thing for a while :rip:

3 years ago, I was growing only with Voodoo Juice and already having good results. I tried biobizz and canna root products as well. I don't think there is a HUGE difference between VJ, RJ or Rhizotonic in terms of performance. I haven't tried RJ or Rhizotonic with Piranha or Tarantula.

I picked up Piranha for my Exodus Cheese auto grow back in the day. I must say that Piranha was a great improvement for my rootzone. They claim that the Piranha fungi increases the oxygen absorption in the rootzone. I suggest Piranha not because of that but because I saw the positive outcomes of using that.

Another thing I want to mention is that Advanced Nutrients was suggesting VJ on weeks 1-2 of both veg and bloom. They were only suggesting Piranha and Tarantula on weeks 1-2 of bloom era. Not too long ago, they switched their schedule for Piranha and Tarantula. Now, they suggest their customers to use all of these on weeks 1-2 of veg and bloom periods. I was already using Piranha for grow so I think that was a good call :p

About Tarantula, I can't say that there was not a dramatic increase in performance, compared to Piranha. But still, I am using that without any issues. I am happy with it even if its just placebo effect.

If you don't want to spend extra bucks, you can skip Tarantula but I strongly advise that you pick up a nice bottle of Piranha.

Hope these will help :passitleft:
 
TriangleCheese said:
That is a great question. I have been asking myself the same thing for a while :rip:

3 years age, I was growing only with Voodoo Juice and already having good results. I tried biobizz and canna root products as well. I don't think there is a HUGE difference between VJ, RJ or Rhizotonic in terms of performance. I haven't tried RJ or Rhizotonic with Piranha or Tarantula.

I picked up Piranha for my Exodus Cheese auto grow back in the day. I must say that Piranha was a great improvement for my rootzone. They claim that the Piranha fungi increases the oxygen absorption in the rootzone. I suggest Piranha not because of that but because I saw the positive outcomes of using that.

Another thing I want to mention is that Advanced Nutrients was suggesting VJ on weeks 1-2 of both veg and bloom. They were only suggesting Piranha and Tarantula on weeks 1-2 of bloom era. Not too long ago, they switched their schedule for Piranha and Tarantula. Now, they suggest their customers to use all of these on weeks 1-2 of veg and bloom periods. I was already using Piranha for grow so I think that was a good call :p

About Tarantula, I can't say that there was not a dramatic increase in performance, compared to Piranha. But still, I am using that without any issues. I am happy with it even if its just placebo effect.

If you don't want to spend extra bucks, you can skip Tarantula but I strongly advise that you pick up a nice bottle of Piranha.

Hope these will help :passitleft:
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Excellent! Thanks a bunch man. What where the effects you noticed most on your autos once you added piranha? I may grab it for my next round!
 
SamSmith said:
I will let Ase answer most of it but the main difference between the AN standard line and their coco line is additional calmag and iron. I can't think of any reason not to use them. The organic stuff on have no experience with it in coco.

Watering everyday is the norm with coco. Pot size has a lot to do it but in flower it's not uncommon to water twice a day.
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So its basically what we do in hydro right? Cal-Mag extra also have iron in it so a standart line plus cal-mag extra would be sufficient for both hydro and coco then.
 
Dutchman1990 said:
Excellent! Thanks a bunch man. What where the effects you noticed most on your autos once you added piranha? I may grab it for my next round!
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Besides all these products, I think root training is the key for the huge root mass. Also transplanting from smaller pots will help you a lot to achieve a more uniform root distribution in your medium.

In soil, I couldn't check the root mass but I think that was my best grow at that time even if I used CFL's for both cycles. These cheezes had KO levels of THC with the best taste I have ever had even if they were autos :rollit: I need to mention that I feed all AN products at half of the suggested ratio. In hydro, Piranha didn't increase the root mass too much but the roots were whiter and seemed healthier. I don't think you should worry about the root mass in hydroponics though.

VJ must be enough to keep your roots alive. You can also use some enzyme products to refresh your dead roots if necessary. You need to keep them healthy as long as possible because once they start to go bad, you need to check conditions very frequently and that is exhausting :) So make sure you check pH regularly but less frequently from the first day :cool: Also pay attention to EC and use correct ratios when you want to feed your plants heavy or light.
 
SamSmith said:
IMO yes.
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IMO yes as well. I’ll answer some of the questions tomorrow when I have some time but coco is hydro and needs to be treated as such!
 
Asesino85 said:
IMO yes as well. I’ll answer some of the questions tomorrow when I have some time but coco is hydro and needs to be treated as such!
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That is nice to hear since I can already grow in hydro. Still need details about using the organic products though. I will be waiting :nomo:
 
Asesino85 said:
Day 50 Flower Panama and ATF Clones - Day 8 Flower Multistrain - Harvest Numbers

The Multistrain girls are looking healthier by the day. I still can't believe they managed to survive in those tiny pots. The Durban Poison is the one that was least slowed down and it's likely because I started her like 10 days later than the others. I had the typical Durban Poison germination problem. Anyways it is clear that it is the sativa of the 3 of them and the Indicas (Aurora Indica in back and Honeysuckle in front) look about the same. The AI is slightly better and healthier looking but yhey pretty much look like bushes. Once they are all done stretching I will defoliate them but I left all the leaves on because I expected problems. I wanted the plants to be able to pull from the leaves if need be.

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This is the first time I have taken a picture and thought to myself, "wow" in a while. The ATF scrog was cool but you just can't get pics like this doing it that way. Anyways the Panama is front left and the other two are ATF clones. The back one looks funky due to bending of the colas but the yield is going to be awesome. The girl I've had my eyes on for a while (don't tell my girlfriend) is the front right ATF clone. Holy cow she is gorgeous.
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I will do a full review on Stank ATF once I am able to smoke it after it has been jarred up. As you all expected, the yield was great. 530 grams ended up being the final tally. I'm going to be swimming in this stuff and judging by these other two clones, I will probably be swimming in it for the next half year! It smells incredible and is really frosty. I can't wait to have a good sativa on hand. It's been a while.
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I remember growing Nirvana's AI something like 15 years ago. It was a really heavy psychedelic stone, I still have very warm memories about that particular crop :)
 
TriangleCheese said:
Besides all these products, I think root training is the key for the huge root mass. Also transplanting from smaller pots will help you a lot to achieve a more uniform root distribution in your medium.

In soil, I couldn't check the root mass but I think that was my best grow at that time even if I used CFL's for both cycles. These cheezes had KO levels of THC with the best taste I have ever had even if they were autos :rollit: I need to mention that I feed all AN products at half of the suggested ratio. In hydro, Piranha didn't increase the root mass too much but the roots were whiter and seemed healthier. I don't think you should worry about the root mass in hydroponics though.

VJ must be enough to keep your roots alive. You can also use some enzyme products to refresh your dead roots if necessary. You need to keep them healthy as long as possible because once they start to go bad, you need to check conditions very frequently and that is exhausting :) So make sure you check pH regularly but less frequently from the first day :cool: Also pay attention to EC and use correct ratios when you want to feed your plants heavy or light.
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Apologies as this took me an extra extra day to get back to you. I usually am much quicker.

Here is my thought on nutrients. I like to think of my schedule that I have posted in one of the first posts as a guideline to the main 3 nutrients a plant needs. It doesn't have to be exact but coco does need to be fed/watered everyday. Because of the everyday feeding I have found that "less is more" and that you don't have to go too high on the ppm/EC scale. Some people that grow in coco will do a major feed and then just do waterings but they are treating coco like soil (which you can do) and not like hyrdo (which it should be to maximize the yield and quality). Back in the day there used to be just nutrients. Now there are hydro nutrients and coco nutrients and all that and if you look at them they are all pretty similar. I believe as long as you use them in the right ratios, you can use any nutrients for coco. I partially think that it's just a marketing scheme to call them coco and add a little more cal-mag to them. Then they come up with all these different "product lines" and people pay good money for those. Often times in those lines there are redundant things and I personally would rather just piece together my own stuff rather than buy all the additives and extras that I may not even use all of them. I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist too but really that was my degree in college so I always look at marketing and try and figure out what they twisted to sell things differently. If you have other nutrients from prior grows, you could still use them and just buy cal-mag and add it to it. I guess I could be wrong here but this is just my personal opinion. I have looked at many bottles though and if you understand nutrients, it's easy to identify similarities between the bottles and how the different nutrient companies make everything slightly different in their "product lines" so that they aren't compatible across brands. It fools people into thinking they have to only stick with theirs and not be able to piece together something good. In fact, most of the elite growers on here in the past five years don't only use products from one brand if that tells you anything.

If you've followed me in the past then you know I talk about roots and rootmass a lot. When the roots fill out then final pot then it's all out on the colas and that is what you want. I don't do organic but I love using Rapidstart (liquid) and Great White (dry) to get my roots growing fast. I've never used Voodoo and the other stuff mentioned but I know it can be really expensive and I am very happy with the price and results I get with these. Coco is weird because the rootmass matters but as long as things stay damp then it's hard to get a plant too "root bound". It really is a hybrid style of growing but you should treat everything you do as growing in hydro. The two key differences are not to have the coco too wet all the time and to get a decent rootball going. You don't do that in DWC.

I think you are on the right track and with your full hydro experiences, coco will be easy for you to learn and get adjusted too. I'm sure you have all the equipment you need too.
 
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