Applegate's 1st Grow - Tangerine Dream & Jack Herer

Thanks for the link, Spart. That's a great site - better than that provided by most seed houses. I know I need to keep an eye on the developing color of the trichomes but given the recommended finish time for the TDs it seems too early and makes me itchy. Additionally, the link stated that generally the advertised finish time is for cuttings from a sexually mature plant and that seed grown plants take longer. Mine are seed plants.

Can it be possible that my Tangerine Dreams are going to set a land speed record for ripening? :thedoubletake:

I'm considering giving them another week and then perhaps harvesting one of the plants and letting the other go closer to the recommended distance to do a contrast and compare.

I sincerely appreciate your effort to help me! As you can see in the picture below I'm not quite at 30% but it probably won't be long.

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you can't make out if it's amber or cloudy or clear from the pic at all you need a microscope of about 50x before you can see it. I think you have pistils and Trichomes. The Trichomes are the little mushroom looking glands.
 
Spart said:
In principle, they are all of clear colour, then they become cloudy and end up by being of amber colour.

Clear Trichomes: The trichomes of this color is the sign that a plant is not ripened. It's better to wait before harvesting except you want to harvest a herb without effects.
Cloudy Trichomes: This color indicates that the resin starts to ripen. A plant with the most of cloudy trichomes will have an uplifting and energetic "High" effect
Amber Trichomes: If the glands are of this colour it's a sign of full ripeness of the trichomes. The "stoned" effect of this resin will be rather narcotic, relaxing, and can become soporific.

To give you an idea, we generally speak of the percentages of the glands of one colour or another:

70% Cloudy — 30% Amber: Uplifting High Effect
50% Cloudy — 50% Amber: Balanced Effect
30% Cloudy — 70% Amber: Stoned Effect
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This is short, sweet and to the point. I have never seen it stated like this, thank you.
+ Reps :thumb:
 
Not my words got it off the Philosopher seeds growing Blog. Great bunch of guys over there and their strains are nice and tasty. To be honest tho I think the % is off a bit but again it's completely up to the grower.
 
Spart said:
you can't make out if it's amber or cloudy or clear from the pic at all you need a microscope of about 50x before you can see it. I think you have pistils and Trichomes. The Trichomes are the little mushroom looking glands.
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I wondered that too. You aren't by chance looking at the color of the pistol instead of the trichomes are you? Are you using any type of magnifier or just the naked eye?
 
Hey Spart,

I use a 60x loupe to inspect the buds and I'm pretty sure I'm seeing the tricombs amber up. Unfortunately, I have a camera with limited capability and even after blowing up a picture it just doesn't capture the detail adequately. The picture I asked you to look at wasn't the best. Here is one more attempt to show what I'm talking about. I mean, this is what I'm supposed to be watching isn't it? I'm starting to think maybe I'm seeing things! :hmmmm:

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Looks like it's getting close and yes those are what you're suppose to watching. It's better to watch on the actual buds and not the little sugar leaves. They ripen faster on the leaves but everything looks spot on man a week is probably a good time frame for ya.:goodjob::goodjob:
 
applegate said:
Great! Thanks! I think I'm seeing it mostly on the sugar leaves but once I get a steady bead on the image through the loupe I often can't determine if I'm looking at bud or leaf or what. Maybe I should cut down on the caffine!
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Have you snipped a piece of a Calyx off and put it under the scope rather than a sugar leaf?
 
applegate said:
That's a grand idea. Why didn't I think of it?
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Many seasoned growers advised me to watch the Calyx trichomes and NOT the sugar leaves, as they are a better indicator when looking for amber. If I am wrong I hope someone corrects me, but this is how I have been doing it also, and it seems to be working... please check it out for yourself though, I'd hate to steer you wrong!
 
104 days from seed - 60 days into flower.

Not a lot to report this week but I'm making an effort to document what little change there is - hopefully to benefit some future growers of these cultivars. It's probably just me, but throughout this first grow I've been obsessed with looking at reports of other people's grows of Tangerine Dream and Jack Herer. Are mine looking the way they should? What can I expect as they mature? What has been successful for other gardeners? These questions have been answered for me by the generousity of people who have made the effort to record their entire project, from seed to harvest.

I can't my finger on it but the plants are looking different - The foliage isn't quite as robust - I'd describe the overall texture and appearance as flabby. I think they're getting ready to shut down. They're not quite yellowing but the leaves are decidedly getting lighter green in the undergrowth areas. The buds are filling out decently and most are not getting any longer except for Big Jack - one of her four colas just topped 14". It doesn't have that wide pyramid shape but it's the biggest cola in the room so it looks impressive to me.

Big Jack's trichomes are mostly clear and because she still seems to be actively growing I think I'm in for a long haul on her. Little Jack continues to foxtail up, the buds are really swelling and the trichs look much riper than Big Jacks. The timing on the Jacks makes me nervous. I've read JH harvested too early can create a feeling of paranoia and I'm kind of paranoid about accidently creating paranoia weed.

The TDs are beefing up and they look much riper than either of the Jacks but they'll likely run (at least) the minimum 10 weeks before they're ready. I've pulled back on the nutes because I couldn't nail down the problem that had started to surface on the leaves of the Jacks. Whatever it is, it seems to have slowed. I still see a little new damage but not much. I'm hoping to slide into home without having to take any drastic measures.

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Big Jack's big cola. It's the standout among the 4 colas on this plant.

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Notice the fimmed TD on the left. What a mess of a plant. She has two bamboo braces and is basically held together with zip ties. Topping was not a great choice done so late on this particular plant. Still, she has a good number of nice looking smaller buds but she's been very high maintenance.

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BeaverIslander said:
It's almost payday and it should be a good one. :bravo:
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Thanks, Beav, ol' buddy. Appreciate your help and encouragement. :thanks:

PS: The Painkillers are off to an unspeakably poor start. I may lose one. My Husband and worked all morning re-configuring a closet to use as a veg area while the big girls finish in the grow room. I hoping they both make it but both are looking a little sad at the moment. On the other hand, the old bag seed he germinated on a whim looks fabulous!
 
The PK-XL's are pretty hardy, I'm sure you two will pull them through. Seems how that strain is for your hubby I'm sure the closet will be a first class veg chamber when he's done with it.
 
applegate said:
Thanks, Beav, ol' buddy. Appreciate your help and encouragement. :thanks:

PS: The Painkillers are off to an unspeakably poor start. I may lose one. My Husband and worked all morning re-configuring a closet to use as a veg area while the big girls finish in the grow room. I hoping they both make it but both are looking a little sad at the moment. On the other hand, the old bag seed he germinated on a whim looks fabulous!
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They're pretty hardy plants if your not too proud... check out this clone, fresh pics this morning after up-potting last night :-)
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Good job on the clone! It looks a million times better than my seedlings. My problem is that I fell heir to a 2 foot T5 fixture and thought I was "upgrading" my seedling station. Damn near fried the seedlings right off the bat. I'm back to the old reliable shop light and am trying to nurse them. One will make it for sure but the other is iffy and they're both severely set back.

How long did it take for your clone to root? And part of what confuses me about cloning is if you are taking them from plants that have not matured and been sampled for potency, how do you decide which plant is worth cloning? Or is it a gamble - which is what gardening really is when you think about it!
 
applegate said:
Good job on the clone! It looks a million times better than my seedlings. My problem is that I fell heir to a 2 foot T5 fixture and thought I was "upgrading" my seedling station. Damn near fried the seedlings right off the bat. I'm back to the old reliable shop light and am trying to nurse them. One will make it for sure but the other is iffy and they're both severely set back.

How long did it take for your clone to root? And part of what confuses me about cloning is if you are taking them from plants that have not matured and been sampled for potency, how do you decide which plant is worth cloning? Or is it a gamble - which is what gardening really is when you think about it!
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I suppose it is more of a gamble but this was actually a clone of a clone so I have a good idea what I'm getting. I enjoy the cloning part of this "hobby." I have plenty of time and enjoy trying the different methods so now if I'm ever in a spot where I really need to be able to grow one out I am pretty comfortable... especially after this one as I had my doubts.

Talk about a stubborn clone

To answer your question about rooting they usually take in 8-10 days but this flowering one was around a month before I could actually see new growth.
 
applegate said:
Good job on the clone! It looks a million times better than my seedlings. My problem is that I fell heir to a 2 foot T5 fixture and thought I was "upgrading" my seedling station. Damn near fried the seedlings right off the bat. I'm back to the old reliable shop light and am trying to nurse them. One will make it for sure but the other is iffy and they're both severely set back.

How long did it take for your clone to root? And part of what confuses me about cloning is if you are taking them from plants that have not matured and been sampled for potency, how do you decide which plant is worth cloning? Or is it a gamble - which is what gardening really is when you think about it!
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Its not a gamble, or at least its how I see it. All the plants you grow from seed be looking for that one special phenotype of it that you like and clone that one. You can take a clone off of your plants at harvest if you wish it. So if you grow a really dank lady, maybe think about keeping that cut alive. For example my buddy has had the Platinum blue dream for 12yrs. Now its in my garden along with some other nice phenos that ill keep around. You can also clone a clone 20 times, so once you find that one cut you want make sure to keep her around
 
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