Antics Perpetual Learning Experience

Antics said:
Shopping for nutrients isn't fun.

I'd love to go with a coco A+B, but I'd need to buy a grow A B, and Bloom A B. Then beyond that, they all seem to have a reduced NPK on the coco specific nutes, while the instructions have you mixing MORE nutrient solution for each stage of growth that standard nute systems.

I'm currently looking At a few standard base nutrient systems from Advanced, and House and Garden now. I really hate shopping. :)
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I might have to go shopping soon for nutes will have to keep an eye on the ingredients listing on Gen Org/Gen Hydro they just announced there buyout by Scott's Brand the Big boys are moving in.
 
Antics said:
The addition of this light should change things as well.

I have a total of 7.19 square feet of growing space. (40"x26")

The lights are rated 150-170 watts total draw.

Previously, with the one light, I was growing with a total of 20.86 - 23.64 watts per square foot.

Adding the second light now gives me a total of 41.72 - 47.28 total watts per square foot. Which falls into the higher end of the 35-50 watts/sqft range I've seen suggested for LEDs.
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Interesting thoughts on how much LED wattage for sq/ft. I just did the calc's on my little cabinet and came up with 48 watts per/sq/ft. So I think your space is going to thrive now that your in the 40+ group.
 
SBG said:
I might have to go shopping soon for nutes will have to keep an eye on the ingredients listing on Gen Org/Gen Hydro they just announced there buyout by Scott's Brand the Big boys are moving in.
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If they change anything, they're going to ruin it. At least for growing Cannabis. I don't know how well the Scott's lineup works for other plants. I've only used their grass seed in the past.

SBG said:
Interesting thoughts on how much LED wattage for sq/ft. I just did the calc's on my little cabinet and came up with 48 watts per/sq/ft. So I think your space is going to thrive now that your in the 40+ group.
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If 35+ watts per square foot is the magic LED number, I definitely fell short there, which could explain the lack of bud growth. I did pretty well on the last soil grow with CFLs, so I'm hoping 3 ounces from 2 plants under CFL turns into 4+ from 2 plants under LED. Ideally I'd like to see 2+ ounces per plant since I was able to see a 2+ ounce yield on just one plant with the CFLs.

Your wattage being up at 48w /sq ft might also explain why you have such fantastic buds, as well as the defol and training you did. I might give it a try, training the way you did, to see what I can come up with. It might work out better for me.
 
Alright, transplant is complete. No wilting, no dead plants, no problems.

The girls are officially in soil!

Cotton Candy:
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Big Bang:
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They look so much better.

See you didn't even need my help even if you have only a few grows you know what your doing. Look at Sweetsue she has one grow under her belt and is very well read the Los crowd looks to her as a god. Amount of grows don't mean shit. It's about the passion for the product.


Rock on antics.
 
Exactly how I feel, working knowledge is definitely important, but being well-read helps move you past the beginner stage a little quicker.

And maybe I didn't need your help, but without the experience it was nice having someone to ask for advice. It definitely boosted my confidence level, and that in itself probably helped the whole transplant go a lot smoother.

Now I have a lot of work to do to catch up to your yields. :thumb:
 
Heads up don't freak out if a couple bottom leaves turn yellow. Seems every time I have transplanted a few days later the lower set or 2 of fan leaves yellow and die. Could be to much shock on my part but just sharing experience.
Also it seems to me that when I keep my cutting for clones in the rockwool and keep the rockwool continuously wet it takes longer for the roots form. My theory is that because the stems are kept wet all the time the don't "try" and grow roots. And if you let them dry out a bit to damp, they start to grow roots in search of water. Just a theory if it makes sense.
 
Cotton cannndyyyyy huummmmmm sounds nice :-) :-) Looking forward to seeing how she performs :-)
 
Day 66 of 65-70

Trichomes aren't quite ready, still too many clears to harvest, and only a few amber showing up in the buds now. Very few white pistils left, and the plant doesn't appear to be producing any more either. So the harvest date is quickly approaching.

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Bud Comparison:

Taken March 09:
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Taken today:
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Taken March 09:
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Taken today:
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And an update on the clones.

#1
This girl seems like she isn't going to take root. Leaves are dead, but still some calyxes, and maybe some tiny growth that I didn't notice, but not a lot of hope for her:
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#2
This one keeps wanting to flower, still producing pistils, calyxes, and trichomes, but still alive and growing:
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#3
This one is still hanging on, with a small amount of growth appearing on the lower node:
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#4
This girl is doing quite well. A lot of new growth appearing recently, and will likely survive my first cloning experience:
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Just wondering and I probably missed it somewhere in your journal how long into flowering was the mother plant when you took these clones? I found anything over 2 weeks into flowering was harder for them to switch back to Veg.
 
SBG said:
Just wondering and I probably missed it somewhere in your journal how long into flowering was the mother plant when you took these clones? I found anything over 2 weeks into flowering was harder for them to switch back to Veg.
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It's the hormones in the cutting it wants to flower not expand root structure

I have to do it at times and they take longer to root and my chance of failure does go up. Also same reason a clone can flower instantly once put into bloom. No need for it to nanaturally start blooming it's already ready.
 
SBG said:
Just wondering and I probably missed it somewhere in your journal how long into flowering was the mother plant when you took these clones? I found anything over 2 weeks into flowering was harder for them to switch back to Veg.
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Cuttings were taken on 3/25/15, 55 days since 12/12 flip. Although they were meant only as a lollipop, but I figured I had them, and wanted to give it a try instead of just throwing them out. If they don't root, I don't care since they were garbage anyways, but I figured why not give it a try, since I'll need to learn the cloning process anyways.

But with all that being said, it's still a cool experience, it hasn't stressed or hermied my flowering plant, no nanners, and no issues otherwise. So I haven't lost anything, other than $5 to buy rooting hormone powder, which I would use in the future anyways, so not really a loss there either.

Clone #4 definitely looks great, #2 and #3 are iffy, but could make it. And #1 I don't have much faith in, but I'm letting her continue on anyways just to see what happens.

But as a disclaimer, or whatever, I did read all the correct ways to clone, correct way to clone with willow, cuttings in flower taking longer to root, and 24/0 light being suggested on flowering clones. I just ignored it all to see what would happen when done half-assed. And so far, I'm really not disappointed. It has taken longer, but today is 18 days, and I already had a root on one of them, so I think that's cool, and a big achievement in itself.

Oh and the clones were started in coco, but have since been topped off with soil also. If the clones all do well, I'll be growing them in soil for the next run.
 
Dutty Panty said:
It's the hormones in the cutting it wants to flower not expand root structure

I have to do it at times and they take longer to root and my chance of failure does go up. Also same reason a clone can flower instantly once put into bloom. No need for it to nanaturally start blooming it's already ready.
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That makes sense, but do you have any idea why one clone would continue to flower, when another would start looking like its revegging? All these cuttings were taken the same day, from the same plant.
 
Antics said:
That makes sense, but do you have any idea why one clone would continue to flower, when another would start looking like its revegging? All these cuttings were taken the same day, from the same plant.
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The only thing I can think of why one clone makes it and the others don't, you looked at it funny and it took offence.:)

You hadn't mentioned but do you mist them everyday? I got fanatical about misting every chance I got.

The bud sites on a flowering clone are just insane it really is hard to keep up with them. With your LST skills I think you might be surprized with the results.
 
SBG said:
The only thing I can think of why one clone makes it and the others don't, you looked at it funny and it took offence.:)

You hadn't mentioned but do you mist them everyday? I got fanatical about misting every chance I got.

The bud sites on a flowering clone are just insane it really is hard to keep up with them. With your LST skills I think you might be surprized with the results.
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Well, I can be an offensive guy, so you might be right lol

Misting... that's another part I got lazy on. My spray bottle died, and to be honest, I didn't bother getting a new one yet, a drop of olive oil into the mechanism worked for a little while, but it died again a short time later. So with that being said, I haven't misted the clones. Not even once. I know, it's completely wrong, but they were meant to be scrap, so I just wanted to experiment a little before I actually took it seriously.

You have me definitely curious about growing and flowering a clone now. I should have at least 1 make it and start Vegging, since I visibly saw a small root on one, it was about 3/16ths long, white, and healthy. The other 2 had bumpy stems that looked ready to throw out some roots, but nothing visible.
 
Day 67 of 65-70 Strawberry Blue

Final feeding of nutes was this morning. Starting this evening she'll get PH 5.8 water only. I also removed a handful of fan leaves, hoping something stirs up a little more bud growth in her.

Clones were misted for the first time today lol. I also checked for roots, but nothing visible at the drain holes, and nothing visible when the soil is removed from pot.
 
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