Alaskan1's Flo n Gro Mixed Bag Grow

jandre2k3 said:
No worries, just check which conversion your meter uses for estimating PPM, and go from there. Just remember to check the other person's conversion factor before trying to emulate. In other words, if yours uses the .50 and the other guy's meter is .70, devide his by 700 for EC and multiply the EC by 500 for your meter's target reading.

Ex. The other guy's reading is 1280 and his is a .70 meter and yours is a .50 meter.

1280PPM / 700 factor = 1.83EC
1.83EC x 500 factor = 915PPM

-OR-

You could simply divide the .7 factored meter's reading by 1.4 to get the .5 factored meter's target reading:
1280/1.4=914.29. Close enough to not matter a bit.

To go the other way, you would multiply the .5 factored meter's reading by 1.4 to get the .7 factored meter's target reading:
915*1.4=1281 again, close enough to not matter.
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Wow this is great info, copy and pasted. Thank you.

How do I find which conversion method my meter takes? I searched the packaging and the Google and nothing on how it does it, unless I'm not reading something right.
 
BlazinThat said:
Wow this is great info, copy and pasted. Thank you.

How do I find which conversion method my meter takes? I searched the packaging and the Google and nothing on how it does it, unless I'm not reading something right.
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Actually, that was not copy/paste, that was mine own knowledge.

Go to the website of the maker of your device, if it is not listed on the product specifications page, contact them and ask.
 
Go back and read that again. They aren't spitting back nutes. They are drinking water, increasing the nute/water ratio, or "thickening the mix", upping the ppm.

So lets say on Monday morning, they started uptaking nutrients heavily. Then night time rolled along, and they were thirsty, taking in more water than nutrient.

Makes sense to my pea brain anyways.
 
jandre2k3 said:
Actually, that was not copy/paste, that was mine own knowledge.

Go to the website of the maker of your device, if it is not listed on the product specifications page, contact them and ask.
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I ment I copied and pasted it for my self, if only I could remember all that.
 
Bassman59 said:
Go back and read that again. They aren't spitting back nutes. They are drinking water, increasing the nute/water ratio, or "thickening the mix", upping the ppm.

So lets say on Monday morning, they started uptaking nutrients heavily. Then night time rolled along, and they were thirsty, taking in more water than nutrient.

Makes sense to my pea brain anyways.
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Ok, so lets see if my lil er pea brain can figure this out.
Monday, 1400 ppm refilled 2 gallons gone
tuesday 1100 ppm after refilling 2 gallons gone
wednsday 1250 ppm after refilling 2 gallons gone
Thursday 1350 after refilling 2 gallons gone

if they aren't putting something back how do you explain this? What am I missing here or not understanding?
 
Alaskan1 said:
Ok, so lets see if my lil er pea brain can figure this out.
Monday, 1400 ppm refilled 2 gallons gone -
tuesday 1100 ppm after refilling 2 gallons gone
wednsday 1250 ppm after refilling 2 gallons gone
Thursday 1350 after refilling 2 gallons gone

if they aren't putting something back how do you explain this? What am I missing here or not understanding?
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Monday, 1400 ppm refilled 2 gallons gone
tuesday 1100 ppm after refilling 2 gallons gone - Mon-Tue ate a whole lot of nutes.
wednsday 1250 ppm after refilling 2 gallons gone - Tue-Wed Took lots of water that day. almost all water and no nutes.
Thursday 1350 after refilling 2 gallons gone - Now I think your Hydrotone was not washed enough. LOL! Or your meter is fookt. R/O, distilled, or tap?

Bass, you wanna weigh in on this one. Is this end-of-life purge (early)? Or, could the growth and higher concentration of beni's be adding conductivity? Or maybe just not letting water settle out completely before testing?
 
you guys make my head spin:cheertwo:
 
jandre2k3 said:
Monday, 1400 ppm refilled 2 gallons gone
tuesday 1100 ppm after refilling 2 gallons gone - Mon-Tue ate a whole lot of nutes.
wednsday 1250 ppm after refilling 2 gallons gone - Tue-Wed Took lots of water that day. almost all water and no nutes.
Thursday 1350 after refilling 2 gallons gone - Now I think your Hydrotone was not washed enough. LOL! Or your meter is fookt. R/O, distilled, or tap?

Bass, you wanna weigh in on this one. Is this end-of-life purge (early)? Or, could the growth and higher concentration of beni's be adding conductivity? Or maybe just not letting water settle out completely before testing?
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Using tap water that comes in at 145 ppm.....city water!
Well the plants ARE very close to the end of their life. I think a couple more weeks and that should be it. I can see the hairs turning brown now.
I don't doubt you guys at all just trying to understand :Namaste: :peace:
 
jandre said it.

What you are not stating here AK1 is if you added nutrient or just the tap water, before or after the reading. Lest we forget the tap is 145ppm. I use RO with 0-5ppm so I add that and let it mix for an hour, then take my readings. This lets me know if I need to feed nutrient. If I need to feed, I pull about a quart out, add a gallon value of nutrient to the quart, then throw it back in the res. Let it mix for an hour, and get my new, corrected readings.
 
Bassman59 said:
jandre said it.

What you are not stating here AK1 is if you added nutrient or just the tap water, before or after the reading. Lest we forget the tap is 145ppm. I use RO with 0-5ppm so I add that and let it mix for an hour, then take my readings. This lets me know if I need to feed nutrient. If I need to feed, I pull about a quart out, add a gallon value of nutrient to the quart, then throw it back in the res. Let it mix for an hour, and get my new, corrected readings.
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I never add nutes back. I'm not experienced enough yet to try that. I always just add tap water. All the readings I took were after I added the tap water. Since it is city water it's pretty consistent.

I just want you and Jandre to know I apperciate your effort in trying to get me to understand whats going on. It's not that I think anything is wrong because the plants look pretty damn healthy. I wish the nugs would pack on some more weight but who doesn't? Other then that I'm happy with the way they look. This last few weeks of waiting is just a bitch though.
 
Hey there A1
The last couple of weeks are the best and the worst... Do you have a scope or magnifying glass to check your trichs? Just curious how they are looking at this point. If they are getting closer than you think it could help explain the ppm fluctuations, I am not a hydro guy but thought I would add this in. Looking great and keep it up :high-five:

:peace:
 
Hey A1, what Bassman is saying is that you ARE adding "tds" to your res......the city water is 145 ppm. It adds to what you have there already. If you put in RO each time, you would be adding "nothing". The amount you are adding in does NOT account for the levels you are seeing though. I suspect you have something "growing/dying" in the root zone again. Don't want to bring bad karma or anything....add some more H2O2. Plants always exude something, just not this much.
 
as OG13 states, you are adding, but not enough to account for this swing imo either. I didn't realize you were not adding back any nutrient at all. I wonder how that effects this, since I am adding some nutrient any time I am down over 60ppm after an ro water top off. Which means I am also adding 6ml Hygrozyme too. I haven't used any H202 in this grow or last grow. I didn't have any problems with root rot so I didnt use it. Just Hygrozyme and my nutrient mix.

In the back of my mind, still sitting there is the thought that when you do your nute mix with h202 & Hyrgrozyme, the H202 kills the beneficials of Hygrozyme, and for the rest of the period till next change Hygrozyme is no longer turning stuff into beneficial food.

I'm really not sure if I'm correct on this. Just what seems logical to me.
 
MSquared said:
Hey there A1
The last couple of weeks are the best and the worst... Do you have a scope or magnifying glass to check your trichs? Just curious how they are looking at this point. If they are getting closer than you think it could help explain the ppm fluctuations, I am not a hydro guy but thought I would add this in. Looking great and keep it up :high-five:

:peace:
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I have a couple of scopes. I'm going to fire them up here in a bit and see what I can seeeeee
 
OG13 said:
Hey A1, what Bassman is saying is that you ARE adding "tds" to your res......the city water is 145 ppm. It adds to what you have there already. If you put in RO each time, you would be adding "nothing". The amount you are adding in does NOT account for the levels you are seeing though. I suspect you have something "growing/dying" in the root zone again. Don't want to bring bad karma or anything....add some more H2O2. Plants always exude something, just not this much.
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I add H202 every 3 days to my mix :)
Yeah, I understand what you are saying and this makes sense to me. The roots still look the same as they have for a few weeks now. Dull light brownish color.

Glad to see you in my journal OG13. I always enjoy having you around.
 
Bassman59 said:
as OG13 states, you are adding, but not enough to account for this swing imo either. I didn't realize you were not adding back any nutrient at all. I wonder how that effects this, since I am adding some nutrient any time I am down over 60ppm after an ro water top off. Which means I am also adding 6ml Hygrozyme too. I haven't used any H202 in this grow or last grow. I didn't have any problems with root rot so I didnt use it. Just Hygrozyme and my nutrient mix.

In the back of my mind, still sitting there is the thought that when you do your nute mix with h202 & Hyrgrozyme, the H202 kills the beneficials of Hygrozyme, and for the rest of the period till next change Hygrozyme is no longer turning stuff into beneficial food.

I'm really not sure if I'm correct on this. Just what seems logical to me.
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Well what I have been told by many people is that H202 and hygrozyme will work together. What I do is add the H202 and then wait 24 hrs. After that 24 hr period is up I then add the hygrozyme. Reason being is that after that amount of time the H202 has already burnt off a good amount of it's potency and is very well mixed into the system. This allows the hygrozyme to work. I have seen a lot of the benifical bacteria signs left over in my res so I think it's all working well together like this. Then again, I could be completely wrong on this too.

I know for a fact that in my other grow I can see the benifical bacteria attached to the roots of the grow and I'm using the same method as in the first grow.
 
Well it's been a VERY busy day today. :thumb:

Got the second grow room all cleaned out today. Got the 6x6 mother tent put up and ready for the moms tomorrow. The 4x4 tent will go in next as a breeding tent. The closet will be made into a drying area for the cannabis after it's completed. Will also move the EZ cloner in there as well. Things are looking up!
 
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