AKGramma's Perpetual Grow

Day 3 I have one brand-new Mystery baby! 8 more to show. All 9 are in peat plugs. For those not familiar with peat plugs, they come in dried disks and need to be soaked to expand to 2" tall x 1.5" diameter.

Can you see Mystery #1 in the top right corner?

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I have used those in the past, both (occasionally) for cannabis and for fruit/vegetable plants. The last time I bought some (it has been a few years), I got home, got ready to use them, pulled one out of the sack they put them in at the store... and discovered tiny little white critters crawling around on them! So I gave them to the trash man, lol. I wasn't sure if the bugs were picked up at the store or if they came that way from the supplier, but they were so small that I had to use a magnifying glass to verify that I was really seeing what I thought I was seeing - and there was no other place locally that carried that item - so I stopped using them.

But they did seem to work okay when I used them in the past. I am not the world's biggest fan of peat and peat-based products, but never really had any issues with these things (other than finding the bugs, lol... and I truly do not know if they would have been an issue had I failed to notice them, but I always worry about bugs/pathogens/etc. in the root zone).

I have noticed another product that is somewhat similar and might have some kind of seedling/rooting hormone in it. I do not remember the name of those, though.

I hope you enjoy your mystery plants, and that their growth/flowering characteristics fit your grow.
 
Sue might appreciate this: I took all my old OGK buds and trim plus a few pinches of leaf powder to make 1 full OZ of weed for a tincture. Since most of it was powdered, I just ground the buds through a screen, put it all in a mason jar, and filled it to just a little over the weed with Bicardi 151.

The 1 quart mason jar is just under half full. I shook it vigorously for a full minute and will leave it in a dark place for a month. This is the first time I've used anything stronger than 80 proof Vodka.

My hope is that this batch will give me my 1g of CCO. If not successful, I won't try again. It's too labor and time intensive, and my supply is too minuscule to waste on practice and failures.
 
TS: I've never had peat plugs with critters. I guess the processing/drying process didn't kill the eggs. My kit was made by Jiffy, and, as far as I know its the only brand offered here, too.

Your similar product might be rockwool cubes. Those are soil-less, too, and seems to be what many of our experts use to sprout seeds.
 
OMG! two more mystery seeds popped while I wasn't looking! :cheertwo: That's 3 in the last 2 days! Today is day 3 since I planted them. The first one it already stretching and has hit the cover. It is going to have to be moved to a solo cup with a clear solo cup as a cover.
 
with Bicardi 151.

I used to do the same thing with 190-proof grain alcohol. IDK about now, but it used to be cheaper than rum, lol (and, of course, it is stronger and has less water content).

I later switched to anhydrous acetone, which seemed to work much faster (or maybe a couple weeks to a month was not really necessary when using alcohol? - IDK) and has a lower boiling point (132.8°F). That was before I started using butane, which has a significantly lower BP than both of those substances (30.2°F) and works more or less instantly, since it will "wash" the cannabinoids right off the plant material.

My hope is that this batch will give me my 1g of CCO. If not successful, I won't try again. It's too labor and time intensive, and my supply is too minuscule to waste on practice and failures.

I would think that you would get more than a gram of oil from an ounce of product, even though that ounce is not all bud.

I've never had peat plugs with critters.

It could have been from the store. They sold all kinds of (non-cannabis) garden seeds, "traditional" fertilizer, and other such products. So cross-contamination could have been possible. The peat discs were in a large open box.

I guess the processing/drying process didn't kill the eggs.

Or that.

Your similar product might be rockwool cubes. Those are soil-less, too, and seems to be what many of our experts use to sprout seeds.

Nah, I don't like rockwool (even for its original purpose of insulation for buildings, lol). Among other things, one really needs to presoak it in a pH solution (something like 5.5, although it has been so long since I used the stuff that I'm probably off on the exact number), since rockwool has high pH.

The alternative to the Jiffy peat pots that I was thinking of is called Rapid Rooter. It might have a micronutrient instead of a rooting hormone (or, perhaps, nothing at all, lol - the mind, you know...):
Rapid Rooter — General Hydroponics (offsite link to General Hydroponics' website, for informational purposes)

They can be used to root cuttings, in addition to germinating seeds:
Guide To Cloning With Rapid Rooters / Root Riot Plugs -- Xlr8 Style!

Both products seem to have their fan-base, and work well for those who use them.
 
Acetone and Butane are toxic. Plus they'll blow your house up if you're not VERY careful. I have gas heat, and a gas furnace. Won't take the chance.

So, I go the least toxic and safest way, since I'm new to this, and can't make fatal mistakes.

As long as we give the seeds what they need to pop and thrive, whatever works for a particular grower is what he should use. :Love:

EDIT: I do an old-fashioned, 1 month minimum tincture brew period. If I could find a liquor I could tolerate, I'd drink the tincture. But anything strong enough to extract the good stuff tastes NASTY to me!
 
Acetone and Butane are toxic.

...and alcohol is a poisonous central nervous system depressant, lol. My goal was never to consume the product that I was using to remove the cannabinoids from the plant matter (and concentrate them).

Plus they'll blow your house up if you're not VERY careful. I have gas heat, and a gas furnace. Won't take the chance.

Err... I have found that, if one is going to use an open flame to heat a flammable substance up to the point at which it can be boiled off, that there is not really a great deal of difference (in practical terms) as to what, exactly, that flammable substance is. All three substances will produce quite a fireball :rolleyes3 . That's why I - and, I assume, most people who care about the ability to sleep in their own bed at night - do not use flames as the source of heat for the boil-off process. And, as far as that goes, why I do not perform such tasks inside my home. <SHRUGS> I don't smoke when I am leaning over a charging automotive battery, either ;) .

That's half the reason that I switched to butane. Unlike the other two substances (acetone or alcohol), butane boils at a low temperature. One does not need a gas stove to cause a rolling boil - room temperature alone will do it. But sitting the container in a pan of hot water will do it even faster.

So, I go the least toxic and safest way

<SCRATCHES HEAD> I would think that would be the old-fashioned screening and/or "beating" of the plant material during the coldest/driest part of the year. People did that for thousands of years, AfaIK. It's not the most efficient way, the fastest, or the least labor-intensive. But there is not a whole lot of harm that could happen when one sits there laboriously dry-sifting one's herb.

since I'm new to this, and can't make fatal mistakes.

One can always make a fatal mistake... once. But I take your meaning, lol.

You might want to look into some kind of ice-water extraction (or "dry ice" (frozen CO₂) and water) technique. For best results, one should use a fine mesh (typically, bags that fit one- or five-gallon buckets, but a "quick and dirty" setup could be done with a large jar or two, if one does not mind the waste). You would then be free to combine the result with whatever carrier that you felt to be suitable for your application, be it alcohol, a vegetable-based oil, or animal fat (lard would probably work great, although people don't seem to ever mention it - but it sure made grandmother's food taste great and have a perfect texture ;) ).

I admit that I had failed to consider your skill/knowledge level, and assumed that you had done a good bit of reading on extractions.

whatever works for a particular grower is what he should use. :Love:

I can agree with that statement, in general terms, cautiously.

I do an old-fashioned, 1 month minimum tincture brew period.

As I mentioned, I used to do that. I did not care for the wait, but worried that if I cut it short, I'd be throwing away part of the (potential) result. I did not care for the price of liquor. Then I saw that grain was cheaper.

If I could find a liquor I could tolerate, I'd drink the tincture. But anything strong enough to extract the good stuff tastes NASTY to me!

I could recommend an excellent 25- (or 50-)year old single malt Scotch whisky, lol. But it'd be cheaper to fly to Arizona and buy ready-made product. I agree that (most) cheap liquor tastes akin to paint thinner. It's probably ultimately more harmful to consume, too :lol: . But I'm old enough to remember being told, "Of course it tastes horrible - it's medicine."
 
hi
nice sprout popped up:) wish you well. I have been over at Sue's absorbing information and trying to learn.
When I saw the rockwool seedling on picture first time ..I said..it is something familiar about the look... since I didn't know the name of the isolation material that popped up in my mind... itchy nasty stuff...Thank you for clearing that up. :)
 
TS: I HAVE spent many hours looking over extractions methods and have a number of them saved to the hard drive. Let's just say my first couple of tries at cooking off alcohol with low temps gave me concrete-hard rings scum on the inside of the mini-crockpot and no "oil" whatsoever on the bottom. So I guess I'm talking out my backside with post #548. :straightface:

The brew I started yesterday will be my last try, then I'll leave the process to those who have a knack for it. :surrender:
 
I have 4 mystery seedlings planted in solo cups, sharing the 2 desk lamps with 5 seeded peat plugs. Had to do some creative arranging to get them all at the same distance from the lights. I went soil-less with perlite and vermiculite, and simply set the peat plugs into that, then buried the stems to 1/4" of the surface.

It's a waiting game with the ladies in flower; just daily maintenance and cleanup. I have at least another month before the earliest ladies are close to harvest. These are the first 2 I put into hempy pots with soil-less mix. Nice showing of strong pistils promise a decent harvest!
 
Let's just say my first couple of tries at cooking off alcohol with low temps gave me concrete-hard rings scum on the inside of the mini-crockpot and no "oil" whatsoever on the bottom.

Bummer. I've read that the low setting on "the average crockpot" is around 190°F, which is above the boiling point for alcohol - but not hugely so - and, therefore, I would have thought such a method would have worked for removing it. OtOH, I have had three crockpots fail in the last ten years or so ("What a crock!" ;) ) - they seem to make those things in China these days and not well, either.

Maybe using a small amount of high-proof (but non-poisonous - drinkable) alcohol to dissolve those "rings of scum" would have revealed the end-product hidden away inside? I know "oil" can make a serviceable, albeit unintentional, glue when one least expects it, and can harden. Maybe it can also become a substitute for concrete in crock pots, lol?

Wishing you the best of luck with your current try. And "Go, go seedlings!"
 
Two more mystery seeds popped this evening! That leaves only 3 more peat plugs to go! These babies are RARING to GO!

Now, for a tour of the two flowering units.

The first pink pics are unit 1, which is on during the day. It has the two Mars units and 10 23 watt CFLs up and down for auxiliary lighting. Bud or preflowers have formed all the way down to the lowest branches. All these were labelled Bubblelicious, altho Frilly Lady on the right is something else. Again, one of them rotated when I brought it over. Sorry.
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The following pics are from Unit 2, which is in sleep mode. I let the camera flash to take the pics. This unit is a dozen 23 Watt CFLs mounted high and low to get buds on the whole plant. The three in the back are OGKs. The two in the front are Bubblelicious.
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Might want to back off the nitrogen a bit on the ones that have the down-curling "eagle-claw" leaves.
 
Tead said: Your leaf clawing has me concerned. What's been your feeding technique/routine with them?

My feeding schedule is once a week, nutes in 2 gallons of water, shared among all 9 in flower. Most are in hempys with perlite/vermiculite. This is the same schedule I use with soil in regular pots (currently 3 pots with soil). My Bubblelicious do not claw. The OGKs have always been finicky, whether in soil or in soil-less.

Now, this morning, with the OGKs in the middle of their day shift, there were only a few clawed leaves in the middle. Last night there were more. The top leaves flattened out some in the light. The OGKs are in very early flower.

We have also recently suffered a really hot (for Alaska) period, so maybe heat exhaustion? The temps have dropped 20 deg F with rain, so it's a lot cooler all around, altho the "tents" stay right around 80 def F. Plenty of fans big and small everywhere to move air. Door and window open all the time, except when below 70's.

I suppose I could be more careful and actually MEASURE the nutes I put into a gallon of water with a measuring spoon. I probably am going over 1/2 strength, as it really doesn't take very much with MG's liquid all-purpose nutes.

Should I switch to bloom nutes, or just start cutting back on the veg nutes? I read that N was needed in the first half of bloom to support the formation of flowers and the sugar leaves that support them.

These 3 will be the end of my OGK line. So, I'm not too concerned about how much harvest I get from them. They are clones of clones of clones at least 4 times down the line. I have 7 baby mystery sprouts that will need the unit when I've harvested the current crop. (Yes! one more popped during the night! 2 more to go!)
 
Your leaf clawing has me concerned.

Same here - that's why I suggested that she back off on the nitrogen. IIRC, the clawing leaves, especially if leaves that are darker than the classic "cannabis green" are evident, points to an overdose of N. If continued... the symptoms can actually start to look like a nitrogen deficiency (new growth is pale green), which can make the issue even worse if/when the grower, in a panic, feeds even more N.

It could also be something else, I suppose. But that seems to be the most common reason for the eagle claw. You might take a look in our problem/issue solving threads (I think there's a sticky, but wouldn't swear to it) - or do a web search - for information about nitrogen toxicity. Or, if you are using MiracleGro still, which (IIRC) is an ammonium based fertilizer, you could end up with an NH₄ overdose if the issue is allowed to continue. Err... I do not remember if you are still using Miracle Gro or not, lol.
 
Same here - that's why I suggested that she back off on the nitrogen. IIRC, the clawing leaves, especially if leaves that are darker than the classic "cannabis green" are evident, points to an overdose of N. If continued... the symptoms can actually start to look like a nitrogen deficiency (new growth is pale green), which can make the issue even worse if/when the grower, in a panic, feeds even more N.

It could also be something else, I suppose. But that seems to be the most common reason for the eagle claw. You might take a look in our problem/issue solving threads (I think there's a sticky, but wouldn't swear to it) - or do a web search - for information about nitrogen toxicity. Or, if you are using MiracleGro still, which (IIRC) is an ammonium based fertilizer, you could end up with an NH₄ overdose if the issue is allowed to continue. Err... I do not remember if you are still using Miracle Gro or not, lol.

I do have charts and pics and problem solvers saved on my PC. Will have to refresh my memory about the clawed leaves. It's rather frustrating, tho, transitioning to the Perlite/vermiculite in hempy pots. Since they only get nutes from what you give them, but what you give them messes up the OGKs but not the BBL's, I really am at a loss trying to keep this simple.

Do I have to use different nutes for different strains? Please don't get into the three-part nutes at $15 a bottle ($45 total). I still would like to keep this simple. And cheap. And the charts are so much Greek to me.

Yes, still using the MG. No way to stop the N without stopping all the other nutes, unless I look for a bloom nute. I'll put that on my to-do list. :thanks:
 
I dug up the last two mystery seeds, since all the rest are already in growth mode. The two have not even cracked yet. So I put them in wet paper towel and tucked it in among the clones in the dome. The way the light shines through it, the towel is translucent, so I can keep an eye on them without disturbing them.

I don't expect anything major to happen before near the end of August, when 2 of the BBLs will be close to finishing.

I have to balance the better growth I get in soil against the benefits of soil-less. But I don't quite have the water/feed schedule figured out with the soil-less. So for the mystery seeds I will probably do a combination mixture of both media to keep the pots light, but encourage the symbiotic microbes living n the soil.

Will check on the ladies when unit #2 turns on in a half-hour.
 
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