Rastas
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Awesome work, brother! 
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AKgramma
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Awesome work, brother!
Thank you, but I'm an old lady, not a brother! At least the last time I looked.
Like everyone here, growing is a constant learning curve. In my case I need to grow cheaply, but give the ladies what they need to survive to harvest.
I appreciate everyone who follows my meager grow and shares their BBL and OGK pics with me, whether they are good, bad, or ugly. If we post only the good, then newbies get the impression that they have failed if they don't produce Good Housekeeping quality buds.
My OGKs usually ended harvest with no leaves below the sugar leaves (buds on a stick). The BBL in flower, however, is hanging onto her leaves very well and only using up a few every week. She is 4 weeks into flower, so we'll see how the next 6 weeks go.
Serpent
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Yes ture that I grow for my sister and as a female grower a lot of people don't give me the chance because im a girl but where all here to help and learn
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AKgramma
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Absolutely, Serpent! The plants don't care about gender of other life forms. And if your harvest produces good smoke/ medicine (regardless of how the buds look) nothing else matters. Your family will keep returning to you, instead of getting their weed elsewhere. At least you and they can be certain of what is in their weed.
And this is the main reason I decided to get into the hobby, to provide the family as clean smoke as I could, free of unknown pesticides. For myself, since I don't smoke, I make cannabudder capsules for arthritis pain and a good night's sleep. So none of the plant parts go to waste. (except the stems and roots)
Serpent
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exactly with my sister being disability there a few types of cannabis that help the LP and dispensary don't always have the stuff she like or its way over price. Keep up the good work 
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AKgramma
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This last batch of clones were a bit harder to keep pest and disease free. Our days are now 18 hours long, and everything outside and inside is growing rapidly, including mold, fungus and mites.
I managed to save 3 out of 5 cones this time, and after 2 weeks, they are ready for up-potting. I am acclimating this batch to household air and temps, and this will most likely be the last batch of clones I take, unless I have to trim out promising branches from those juveniles in veg.
I am going to remember to take pics of my very full veg area and a closeup of the lady in flower. I need to make a decision soon about which juveniles to move to flower, because they are over 12" tall, and the parents I took them from sprouted in December or January. So these are genetically OLD clones!
Yesterday I pinched the tops of the BBL juveniles a second time, to encourage more tips. These plants are so vigorous, they have more than just the two tops from the first pinching. each plant is doing what she wants. So the most advanced will go under flower. I have room for 2 fully-developed ladies, but I might up-pot and cram one more in there, just to clear out the veg area some.
Except for the BBL that went all Sativa on me, all the other plants are sexed, so I can call them "She" or "Ladies".
I managed to save 3 out of 5 cones this time, and after 2 weeks, they are ready for up-potting. I am acclimating this batch to household air and temps, and this will most likely be the last batch of clones I take, unless I have to trim out promising branches from those juveniles in veg.
I am going to remember to take pics of my very full veg area and a closeup of the lady in flower. I need to make a decision soon about which juveniles to move to flower, because they are over 12" tall, and the parents I took them from sprouted in December or January. So these are genetically OLD clones!
Yesterday I pinched the tops of the BBL juveniles a second time, to encourage more tips. These plants are so vigorous, they have more than just the two tops from the first pinching. each plant is doing what she wants. So the most advanced will go under flower. I have room for 2 fully-developed ladies, but I might up-pot and cram one more in there, just to clear out the veg area some.
Except for the BBL that went all Sativa on me, all the other plants are sexed, so I can call them "She" or "Ladies".
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AKgramma
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Allrighty. Time for update pictures.
First, two pics from the veg area. You can see the size difference from the last tour of the veg area. There is only one active at this time, the doubled shelving unit. Left side contains the smaller juveniles. Note that the yellow color is from the soft white CFL bulbs, which were left on for this pic.
The right side has the larger, including the very sativa-looking BBL in the 3 gallon bin in the back.
This is the lady in flower, at 4 weeks in flower. I let her go 3 months in veg before the switch, and she doubled in height during the stretch. The stippled leave are now free of mites. I left them because the lady has not used them all up yet.
This is a closeup of the back left branch.
A closeup of one flower in front.
Now, to the problem. This leaf discoloration in a couple of my vegging juveniles started showing up soon after I began a weekly nute feeding schedule, which includes a Sugar Daddy solution of molasses and Epsom salts (for magnesium). I use solution strengths according to recommendations from other growers on this site.
Any ideas? It looks like a magnesium deficiency, but why isn't the sugar daddy fixing it? Or did it CAUSE it?
First, two pics from the veg area. You can see the size difference from the last tour of the veg area. There is only one active at this time, the doubled shelving unit. Left side contains the smaller juveniles. Note that the yellow color is from the soft white CFL bulbs, which were left on for this pic.
The right side has the larger, including the very sativa-looking BBL in the 3 gallon bin in the back.
This is the lady in flower, at 4 weeks in flower. I let her go 3 months in veg before the switch, and she doubled in height during the stretch. The stippled leave are now free of mites. I left them because the lady has not used them all up yet.
This is a closeup of the back left branch.
A closeup of one flower in front.
Now, to the problem. This leaf discoloration in a couple of my vegging juveniles started showing up soon after I began a weekly nute feeding schedule, which includes a Sugar Daddy solution of molasses and Epsom salts (for magnesium). I use solution strengths according to recommendations from other growers on this site.
Any ideas? It looks like a magnesium deficiency, but why isn't the sugar daddy fixing it? Or did it CAUSE it?
Allrighty. Time for update pictures.
First, two pics from the veg area. You can see the size difference from the last tour of the veg area. There is only one active at this time, the doubled shelving unit. Left side contains the smaller juveniles. Note that the yellow color is from the soft white CFL bulbs, which were left on for this pic.
The right side has the larger, including the very sativa-looking BBL in the 3 gallon bin in the back.
This is the lady in flower, at 4 weeks in flower. I let her go 3 months in veg before the switch, and she doubled in height during the stretch. The stippled leave are now free of mites. I left them because the lady has not used them all up yet.
This is a closeup of the back left branch.
A closeup of one flower in front.
Now, to the problem. This leaf discoloration in a couple of my vegging juveniles started showing up soon after I began a weekly nute feeding schedule, which includes a Sugar Daddy solution of molasses and Epsom salts (for magnesium). I use solution strengths according to recommendations from other growers on this site.
Any ideas? It looks like a magnesium deficiency, but why isn't the sugar daddy fixing it? Or did it CAUSE it?
I just grabbed the bible and took a look and it appears to me that it looks a lot like the beginning of a Nitrogen deficiency
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AKgramma
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It isn't exhibiting like an N deficiency. From what I've read, the discoloration occurs thusly:
Unlike a magnesium deficiency, nitrogen def will start from the tips and work its way back to the leaf node. Nitrogen and Magnesium get confused. The best way to tell them apart is, nitrogen deficiency starts around the tips and works its way to the back of the leaves, where a magnesium deficiency will cover the entire outer part of the leave and make the entire leaves yellow leaving the veins to stay green. If your plants are having a slow growth rate and have yellowing of the leaves, then most likely it’s a nitrogen deficiency.
So that is why I think it is Mag.
Dr Bob
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Still looking good! Sorry I have been gone so long. This AK summer has me in it's grip. About to head out to Southeast for a month of wilderness!
Bob
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Are your plants getting enough calcium (through the water, perhaps, if you're watering them with tap water?) to allow them to use the magnesium that you're feeding them? I used to use epsom salt when my water source had a good bit of Ca in it, but would use a Ca/Mg product when using filtered/RO/distilled water. I think there's some kind of ratio thing at work, that requires the presence of one for the other to be usable.
Rastas
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Thank you, but I'm an old lady, not a brother! At least the last time I looked.
Like everyone here, growing is a constant learning curve. In my case I need to grow cheaply, but give the ladies what they need to survive to harvest.
I appreciate everyone who follows my meager grow and shares their BBL and OGK pics with me, whether they are good, bad, or ugly. If we post only the good, then newbies get the impression that they have failed if they don't produce Good Housekeeping quality buds.
My OGKs usually ended harvest with no leaves below the sugar leaves (buds on a stick). The BBL in flower, however, is hanging onto her leaves very well and only using up a few every week. She is 4 weeks into flower, so we'll see how the next 6 weeks go.
OOPS! Correction - Awesome work, sister!
I'm brand spanking new to this so every journal adds to my knowledge. I too will be growing OK Kush for my first attempt. I've started a journal but it's more of an intro. I'm getting my equipment this week, so hopefully I'll have some nice photos like yours soon
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AKgramma
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I am going to miss your wisdom, Dr. Bob. But family comes first. Enjoy your vacation and be safe!
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AKgramma
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OOPS! Correction - Awesome work, sister!
I'm brand spanking new to this so every journal adds to my knowledge. I too will be growing OK Kush for my first attempt. I've started a journal but it's more of an intro. I'm getting my equipment this week, so hopefully I'll have some nice photos like yours soon
Welcome to my journal! We'll share notes and pics here, for sure. I urge you to start your own journal so experienced growers can help you on your journey.
I have found OGKs very finicky. Yet, I am reluctant to let the strain die. So if you get any of them to harvest, you have my highest respect. You will find any Indicas you grow in the future very easy in comparison.
I don't have pictures of my first grow of OGKs, just notes. I did not find this site till late into the grow.
I am nursing my 3 surviving clones very carefully to bring them to maturity. So far they look almost as healthy as my first grow from seed. But their leaves are small, miniaturized from the successive cloning.
I made many, many mistakes in my first year of growing, and hope to correct those mistakes with the last clones of the OGKs. My surviving clones are several generations (cloned clones), from the first seeds I planted in March of 2015. Even tho the mothers ended their lives as buds on a stick (no leaves below the sugar leaves), their smoke was good enough to keep my family returning for the cured harvest. I still have a few eighths left curing in jars.
So, I'll take some closeups of my OGKs just for you! Good, Bad, and Ugly!
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AKgramma
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Our water in this neighborhood is well water and it leaves tons of calcium deposits on the fixtures. I use tap water on the plants. I also have put crushed/powdered eggshells in the top inch of soil. Should I boil the eggshells and use the water to get quicker action?
IDK; I'm no soil expert (and definitely not an "organics" one, lol). If you have an extreme amount of calcium in your water, maybe no additional Ca supplementation is necessary? Also, if the plants' Ca levels are high... Perhaps it would be safe (or even advisable) to up your magnesium levels a little more than you already have to compensate? I am just guessing, here.
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AKgramma
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This is a copy of a post I put on WeaselCracker's journal at The Hexapus's Garden . Some of it is repetitive, but it's where I'm at now.
I used to train the crap out of my sativa-heavy OGKs to keep them low. None of my OGKs were over 24" tall, but all the stress did something I wasn't prepared for. They didn't stretch during flower. They stayed miniaturized. So did their leaves, and their colas.
I was able to do this, BTW, because the Sativa-heavy OGK's had flexible stems all the way up through mid-flower.
The BBLs are a whole different story. They grow so fast that I have to LST them more often, and if I am going to tie anything down, I have to do it when they are wilting from needing water. When they are turgid they are VERY brittle! Only the tips will bend. At three months, horizontal tiedown is impossible without splitting the stem right off the plant.
So what you're seeing in my current journal looks wild and natural, even tho they HAVE been tied down and LST'd. The most I can do with an over-active branch is to pinch the tip off, or pin it to the wall. But it recovers almost overnight, with two overly-vigorous sprouts.
Just so you can judge space requirements, the lady in flower is just 31" above the soil. I think, if I had not trained it at all it would be closer to 48".
Under LEDS, they should grow much bushier, and possibly taller. If you were just growing one plant at a time from seed to maturity, with a 3 - 4 moth veg, my guess is it would take about 6 months. If you stagger your ladies in flower, and keep taking clones, you'll have more BBL than you know what to do with.
My nickle-sized buds are because I grow under CFLs. You'll get a lot more and larger buds with better lights. The bud production is insane! Far more than the OGKs. In a scrog you shape to force a canopy. My one lady is blooming all over. And I attribute that to having lights down low as well as above. 6 low and 6 high. I let the plant grow right around the upper lights. You can't really stop them in a limited space like mine! I could easily let her go to 48".
The next BBL in line, the one with very Sativa phenotype, has two equal and very bushy arms. I plan on putting it to 12/12 soon to see what I get.
Just to show you what one can do on the cheap, their final pots are really 3.5 gallon (14 quart) storage bins, with holes burned into the bottom for drainage. I use the lids to catch the runoff. If memory serves, they were about $3.99 each. And being only 7" high, I get more head room. the 6 gallon bins are only about 8" deep. I have to remember, when I up-pot to try one of them.
I used to train the crap out of my sativa-heavy OGKs to keep them low. None of my OGKs were over 24" tall, but all the stress did something I wasn't prepared for. They didn't stretch during flower. They stayed miniaturized. So did their leaves, and their colas.
I was able to do this, BTW, because the Sativa-heavy OGK's had flexible stems all the way up through mid-flower.
The BBLs are a whole different story. They grow so fast that I have to LST them more often, and if I am going to tie anything down, I have to do it when they are wilting from needing water. When they are turgid they are VERY brittle! Only the tips will bend. At three months, horizontal tiedown is impossible without splitting the stem right off the plant.
So what you're seeing in my current journal looks wild and natural, even tho they HAVE been tied down and LST'd. The most I can do with an over-active branch is to pinch the tip off, or pin it to the wall. But it recovers almost overnight, with two overly-vigorous sprouts.
Just so you can judge space requirements, the lady in flower is just 31" above the soil. I think, if I had not trained it at all it would be closer to 48".
Under LEDS, they should grow much bushier, and possibly taller. If you were just growing one plant at a time from seed to maturity, with a 3 - 4 moth veg, my guess is it would take about 6 months. If you stagger your ladies in flower, and keep taking clones, you'll have more BBL than you know what to do with.
My nickle-sized buds are because I grow under CFLs. You'll get a lot more and larger buds with better lights. The bud production is insane! Far more than the OGKs. In a scrog you shape to force a canopy. My one lady is blooming all over. And I attribute that to having lights down low as well as above. 6 low and 6 high. I let the plant grow right around the upper lights. You can't really stop them in a limited space like mine! I could easily let her go to 48".
The next BBL in line, the one with very Sativa phenotype, has two equal and very bushy arms. I plan on putting it to 12/12 soon to see what I get.
Just to show you what one can do on the cheap, their final pots are really 3.5 gallon (14 quart) storage bins, with holes burned into the bottom for drainage. I use the lids to catch the runoff. If memory serves, they were about $3.99 each. And being only 7" high, I get more head room. the 6 gallon bins are only about 8" deep. I have to remember, when I up-pot to try one of them.
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AKgramma
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Time for an update.
Rastas: The first 3 pics are for you: my 3 sativa-heavy OGK clones, many times removed from the original mother from seed. These ladies are 6" tall, not including the pot and are far healthier than the clone I salvaged them from.
This time I am doing a minimum of stressing, just enough to open up the insides of the plants to let light in. I wont pinch out the tops again unless one decides to outgrow all the others. I am feeding them every week, too, because they seem to need it, even tho they are slow growers. These clones are MUCH older than the BBLs, and in a pic further down, you'll see a big difference in growth pattern.
This is the BBL#5 I am putting to flower. (not #4 as on the pic) This is the one that exhibits a sativa-heavy phenotype, very different than it sisters.
and a closer view:
And a final shot of the rt side of the Veg, after taking out BBL #5 and sorting them by height. BBL's are in the back, the 3 OGKs are in front.
Still no need for odor control. BBL scent is subtle and somewhat fruity. The OGK's are too small to give off their signature diesel-lemon scent.
On a hunch, I added an auxiliary 4" min-fan to each unit and the temp dropped 10 degrees to 80F, and the humidity jumped up to 55 and 60 from 30. I have a lot of hope for the success of THIS grow!
Rastas: The first 3 pics are for you: my 3 sativa-heavy OGK clones, many times removed from the original mother from seed. These ladies are 6" tall, not including the pot and are far healthier than the clone I salvaged them from.
This time I am doing a minimum of stressing, just enough to open up the insides of the plants to let light in. I wont pinch out the tops again unless one decides to outgrow all the others. I am feeding them every week, too, because they seem to need it, even tho they are slow growers. These clones are MUCH older than the BBLs, and in a pic further down, you'll see a big difference in growth pattern.
This is the BBL#5 I am putting to flower. (not #4 as on the pic) This is the one that exhibits a sativa-heavy phenotype, very different than it sisters.
and a closer view:
And a final shot of the rt side of the Veg, after taking out BBL #5 and sorting them by height. BBL's are in the back, the 3 OGKs are in front.
Still no need for odor control. BBL scent is subtle and somewhat fruity. The OGK's are too small to give off their signature diesel-lemon scent.
On a hunch, I added an auxiliary 4" min-fan to each unit and the temp dropped 10 degrees to 80F, and the humidity jumped up to 55 and 60 from 30. I have a lot of hope for the success of THIS grow!
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AKgramma
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I REALLY have to be more careful as to the numbers I put on the pics. Old memory, full of holes. The REAL numbers are in the text. Heights are the plant from soil to top.
BBL#5 went under flower today at 12" tall, 4 months of age from seed, in a 3 gallon bin.
BBL#5 went under flower today at 12" tall, 4 months of age from seed, in a 3 gallon bin.
Sypherz
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Hey AK.. Just catching up on your journal.. You should try these led lights from twilight groups. They are looming for growers to test the lights. Give jason a pm about them.. I have 2 ufo leds that i got from them by simply paying the shipping and i love them even though they are the older model lights they work great..