AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal - Ebb&Flow - Bubblelicious 2013

[AfricanGrower]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

I have never heard of this method before. I'll read up on it and get back to you, maybe I won't have to build an aero cloner then?

 

[B A R]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

I'll be waiting to hear about this.

 

[Skybound]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

Camellia Air Layering - Part 1 - YouTube
This method doesn't apply to Canna.

Air Layering
This one does apply to Canna.

I'll catch up on journals after work today P-) Started yesterday

 

[AfricanGrower]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

Okay from my perspective this is very applicable to cannabis growing. After watching that video and reading 'Too Olds' article on air layering I am now familiar with a couple of new terms that have to do with the overall biology of a plant I can come to a conclusion.

The removal of the Phloem and the Cambium layers of the branch, in my opinion, would not be all that necessary to try and root the branch while it is still attached. From what we know, these two outer layers transport Photosynthates and other photosyntehsis produced sugars from the top of the canopy to the roots. So without these layers, the 'flow' of these sugars seize at the site of girdliation and should start producing roots. From what I know about cannabis, roots start to form branches that are exposed to soil (grow medium or what have you) without having to scrape off these two layers.

I in fact have root stubs trying to form all over the lower stem of the Bubb B plant that has minimal contact to my grow cubes, and an ACTUAL root formed above the medium in Bubb A and is now rooted. What I am saying is, maybe we might see more stable results of this method if the two outer layers are not destroyed and just allow roots to form through these layers as based on my logic.

Well to conclude, I will continue to do more research on the importance of the Phloem and Cambium and their roles in cannabis growth. And maybe I will start an Air Layering experiment in the near future.

Again, thanks for those links and bringing up this technique Sky, you really know how to get my mind racing! +Reps to you

EDIT: I have to spread some Reps around before giving some back to you, so be on the look out for a RepBomb

 

[Cultivator]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

the only issue with this technique is that if u have any nute issues or lock outs that will affect the new clone too? i just dont see the benefit to this technique, especially if training a mother. u want to make many cuts to make many clone sites on mothers. this technique would slow the process down. once u take a cut the plant puts its energy into the new growth areas, i just dont see why one wouldnt take a regular cut and have it root in 7-10days and in the mean time the mother has recovered and started to produce new clones. am i missing something?

 

[Skybound]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

It likely won't turn out to be a valuable time saver, or maybe it will, but since AG is taking his bagseed to The Island of Dr. Moreau anyway, might as well learn as much as possible along the way.

 

[AfricanGrower]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

>>>the only issue with this technique is that if u have any nute issues or lock outs that will affect the new clone too?

Yes, but like any technique, you would want everything thing else dialed in before attempting any kind of stress. I agree completely that nute issues would affect any and all branches on the plant so it is not as practical to the 'new grower'.

>>> am i missing something?

I don't think so I'm pretty much guaranteed that this method will take longer than any 'normal' cloning method. The purpose of my experimenting in different techniques is to gain experience, and experience IS always good in my opinion! I always imagine I would be growing cannabis in some remote area in the future and I end up with no access to any cloning systems nor rooting agents? This technique might just come in handy to perpetuate the grow

All I am saying is that I am doing (and considering) all these experiments for the 420 Community, and to add to the wealth of knowledge that is already here. As it turns out only a few people have tried this technique with very little success, so i figure someone else needs to further prove the hypothesis

Whats up Skyboud

 

[stealthgrow]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

good luck

 

[AfricanGrower]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

I was looking for that emoticon when saying hi to Sky! The one I used looks like a black choir singer 'singing' with attitude

Thanks Stealth

 

[Cultivator]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

thats a fair point mate. knowledge is king!

 

[SWvoodoo]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

why???? why the f@#k not? I love it. Agreed even bad experience is still experience.

 

[TheCapn]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

If you're looking for the most convoluted and least successful way of cloning possible, or a great "science fair" experiment, I think this air layering thing is the way to go.



I want whatever you guys are smokin.

Yes I am the most sarcastic dude you will ever meet. I guess if you're really bored it would be fun, just to say you did it.

Or maybe if you have reached you plant count limit, you could get some clones started.

 

[AfricanGrower]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

>>> I want whatever you guys are smokin.

here you go Capn, a spliff of finely rolled Sativa!

 

[Skybound]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

Off the bat there's no need for clone dome or bubbler.

 

[AfricanGrower]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

12/10/13

Hello all! I hope everyone's garden's are doing well. Mine is most certainly doing well. My tent is running at optimal efficiency averaging at around 80 degrees a foot above the plants. (In the pic the high was 88 degrees and 84%, this is because I took a shower during lights on).

I also added a makeshift CO2 generator that really is doing justice. I added a TSP of highly activated yeast and a cup of brown sugar mixed with a 1/3 gallon of water (it is being kept at a constant 80 degrees, THIS is important). It has been making CO2 for the past 4 days now

I have just recently run into a slight deficiency problem that I have thought to be a sulfur def. I have therefore decided to add 2.5ml/gal of Microbe Brew (1-2-.03) which has magnesium sulfate in it. My current PPM is now at around 500-520 and I am at a pH of 5.8.

Here are pictures of the suspected deficiency only present on new growth. The first 2 are on Bubb A, the last 2 are of Bubb B.

As you can see Bubb B has passed the 2 foot mark so I want to at least get another foot added in width before I go into flower. Currently she is at 28 inches at her widest points.

It has also just passed 1 foot in height as well. I hope that this strain stretches during the first two weeks of flowering because I still have over 5 feet of vertical height left to work with!

As you can see here Bubb B is root bound. I still feel that I can hold off on the final transplant for another two weeks when I go into flowering.

Okay, so any final thoughts or objections to Bubb A being a male plant? Here are the last pics of 'him' that I will be taking before I get the final word from you guys.

Oh and remember I was talking about root development high up on the lower parts of my stem! Well look at Bubb A here with a massive crown of roots that developed in between the medium and the exposed air.

Here is Bubb B with very minor root development up the the lower stem.

Here is the bagseed that did not FIM (the FIRMd) and continued growing, so I defoliated it 2 days ago and plan on using a 'lollipop' technique on it.

Here is the FIMd bagseed. I swear I am seeing female calyx's form on the upper most growth here. I tried to get a pic but
I just can't get a good focus on the small development.

Here is the regular topped bagseed.

 

[AfricanGrower]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

Who knows, maybe these bagseed have autoflower genetics in them, we will just have to wait and see. but if that is the case, they definitely do not like all the abuse I have been giving them recently!

As always any comments and questions welcomed. I really want to get to chopping down that male plant. As soon as I get confidence from you guys I'll photograph the kill for documenting purposes of course

 

[b.real]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

nice man. what strength are you feeding?

 

[AfricanGrower]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

>>>nice man. what strength are you feeding?

I am feeding at 1/3 strength of the recommended dosage. I am feeding 2 parts Big Bloom and 1 part Grow Big for every gallon. I am also adding 1.25ml per gallon of CaMg.

The recommended strength of the Fox Farm schedule gets you about 12000 PPMs by the 3rd week of Veg My plants would be shriveled up if I followed that schedule.

B.real, if you want exacat measurements I can post those too. Any final thoughts on the male?

 

[Scarfinger68]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

Things are looking great. I like your search for knowledge and hope your experiment works.

I have tried cloning without cloning compounds, cloning with one node and cloning with one node and the second node in-tacked but under the dirt. The in-tacked node branch withers and does and develops into a root.

It will be another tool on the tool box even if it doesn't get used much

+Reps

 

[AfricanGrower]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

Thanks for your input Scar +Reps! I will take node placement into account when I take clones for stasis in the next couple of weeks.

I was able to get some photos of the preflowering on the FIMd bagseed. Note that they broke ground on the 11 of September and has been 31 days since then.

It is also the only bagseed to show signs of staggered internodal spacing, which is an early sign of sexual maturation in vegetative plants.

Remember that bagseed that got withered more than the rest. Well it has been a week since then and I have given up on the poor thing. I hope its sisters are going to make up for the loss.