Ace Panama, Groot, In High Brix

Well I did indeed find one nanner... and if theres one theres probably more. I also noticed that the lower fans have more blades than the upper fans. But all fans have 7-9 blades. Does this mean anything? Could that be photoperiod stress, even though they aren't 3 bladed? Maybe any reduction in blade numbers as it flowers means light leak?

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I did get in the tent as @Killerbudz suggested, turned out the light and then had my wife turn on the closet light, bedroom light, etc... nothing... not a single bit of light that I could see. I sat in there for 2 minutes with my eyes closed first, then opened them, looked around carefully... nothing.

So this doesn't appear to be an outdoor pollen contamination, thinking most my plants hermed on me... and this has to stop. Can photoperiod stress cause them to herm? Could a short power outage?
Sorry for the trouble gang, and all the questions... And thank you all for your ideas and input.

Edit: I forgot to mention... I found that nanner literally growing from the side of a lower bud... not at the base or tip... in the middle of it just poking out. I reached out and gently poked it with the tip of some scissors and of course pollen went flying and I had barely touched it. Grrr this shit has me so upset, just cant seem to grow great cannabis. I know I'm a newb but this crap is so frustrating.
 
The immature seeds show that they were recently dusted. Seeds will mature within a few weeks, so it was more recent than that. That should rule out an outside source, or old pollen from a former grow. But plants can have little mini-explosions of nanners in the lower foliage that can easily go unseen. The circulation fans then spread it around, but it's usually pretty contained when it happens to me. These types of nanners usually come near the end of bloom (although they can show up sooner - VERY irritating) and are often from stress. If you're sure it's chronic and not just a couple times, it could be a number of things. You've ruled out light stress.

Dunno. Those little seeds are infuriating. :(
 
Bucket list item #419 - get someone to sit inside grow tent in complete darkness for 2 minutes. Check.

#420 is reserved for smoking with someone famous.

At least you've eliminated light source as the culprit. I'd say your growing great cannabis now, already looks better than ally previous grows lol.
 
dajerm119 said:
Hey Gazoo! I’m not sure, I bet there’s someone around here growing outside... not sure how their plants would handle the 100+ heat here but it’s possible for sure. Now I’m wondering how I’d even be able to Baird against that... even if I took a shower before I went in there is still a chance it in the house....
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Nothing outside should be throwing pollen at this time. It's too early in the season. I'm thinking it's something stuck in the tent or filters somewhere. Unless you're seeing nanners on Groot.

If you're wanting to look at far red, Kelticblue is running it. Growmaus brand. His journal is here Kelticblue's grow and I'm sure he'd be happy to help.

And now I see you've ruled out a light leak, so no need for far red. I get those little seeds sometimes. I don't find it to be that big of a deal. Think about all the seeds that we used to find in bud. A couple random ones are no big deal. If they are self pollinated I probably wouldn't grow it out, as that is reinforcing the hermaphrodite tendencies, but if it's a cross pollinate, why not? Bonus seeds!
 
neikodog said:
It happens, especially with femanized seeds. A lot of strains throw late naners but its usually too late to get any viable seeds. It won't ruin your harvest.
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Hey there Neiko, so I guess thats why a lot of growers like using regular seeds and waiting for sex? That makes sense if so... I was really hoping with new genetics this wouldn't be an issue, but appears to still be. Wish I could keep it from happening, kinda ruins the smoke/ makes it a bit harsh. You guys are always saying how smooth your smoke is... thats all I want. And its just impossible to get them all...
Graytail said:
The immature seeds show that they were recently dusted. Seeds will mature within a few weeks, so it was more recent than that. That should rule out an outside source, or old pollen from a former grow. But plants can have little mini-explosions of nanners in the lower foliage that can easily go unseen. The circulation fans then spread it around, but it's usually pretty contained when it happens to me. These types of nanners usually come near the end of bloom (although they can show up sooner - VERY irritating) and are often from stress. If you're sure it's chronic and not just a couple times, it could be a number of things. You've ruled out light stress.

Dunno. Those little seeds are infuriating. :(
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Hey there Graytail, Well I did find one in the test bud I smoked sunday... was a bit more than half size a viable seed.
What other types of stress can cause this? Would using DE-Stress more regularly help any? I have recently started doing Brix, then De-Stess about 4-5 days apart which won't help now but maybe with future grows?
Killerbudz said:
Bucket list item #419 - get someone to sit inside grow tent in complete darkness for 2 minutes. Check.

#420 is reserved for smoking with someone famous.

At least you've eliminated light source as the culprit. I'd say your growing great cannabis now, already looks better than ally previous grows lol.
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:rofl: Ha! Hilarious KB, love it!
 
Morglie said:
Nothing outside should be throwing pollen at this time. It's too early in the season. I'm thinking it's something stuck in the tent or filters somewhere. Unless you're seeing nanners on Groot.

If you're wanting to look at far red, Kelticblue is running it. Growmaus brand. His journal is here Kelticblue's grow and I'm sure he'd be happy to help.

And now I see you've ruled out a light leak, so no need for far red. I get those little seeds sometimes. I don't find it to be that big of a deal. Think about all the seeds that we used to find in bud. A couple random ones are no big deal. If they are self pollinated I probably wouldn't grow it out, as that is reinforcing the hermaphrodite tendencies, but if it's a cross pollinate, why not? Bonus seeds!
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Yes sir, just posted a couple pics of a nanner I found growing on the outside of a lower bud... so its self pollination here. I wouldn't mind the random seeds except there are tons of tiny little things, harsh to smoke and very difficult to get them all out. I will see if I can get a pic of what i'm talking about.
Sweet, thanks for that link. I will swing by and check it out soon!
 
Ok, here are a couple of pics. I circled in red the seeds... So you guys can see what i'm talking about.
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Seeds in test bud

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Seeds in test bud
Thank you all for the help and ideas, I am sorry if I come off a bit harsh or off in any way. I have had my plants doing this for some time and still can not figure this out. I think it will drive me crazy.

Edit: WOW, you can really see em once on tis bigger screen... I didn't even need to circle any of them. As you can see there are a shit load, as always, with my plants...
 
Hey now. Howdy.
Those little seeds are annoying, me no like.

Aside from light stress there's chemical, physical, biological, insects or disease. Just jumping in thinking outloud. I dunno what you got.
Glad you did the sit in the grow with the lights out. process of elimination.

Interesting thought back there about the far red. I use it to put the plants to sleep, triggers the photo chrome receptor and whatnot. It supposedly reduces overall flower time which can hurt yield.

I hope for the best. I believe you will overcome this.
 
Dajerm, is it hard for you to examine the plants? If you can give 'em a good look, you should be able to find the culprit(s). You should find an old expended cluster of nanners somewhere in the foliage above and near the affected buds. The fuggers always remind me of the expended pods in the first Aliens. Icky to find. *shudder*. Anyway, if you can find any nanners and pull 'em out of there, then you might as well let any seeds mature. They'll be a lot easier to deal with. In any case, what's done is done. Just be sure you can find any new nanners.

And to answer the question about DeStress, no, that's probably not the issue. It's probably just a slightly unstable pheno and it got all fussy about something.

It could even be growing individual nanners out of each bud ... :hmmmm: ... in which case you'd probably want to chop it and be done. That's too much to nurse along.

:Namaste:
 
JustMeds said:
So would you have to use near blue to extend the bud building stage to let them things plump up good?
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I honestly have no idea Meds... right now I am just so upset about my Groot...
TheGreenYeti said:
Do you only get the seeds in the lower buds or does it tend to be throughout everything? If it is just the lowers I would consider making oil or something with them and use the tops to smoke. I know it doesn't get rid of the problem but it is an idea for a work around.
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The seeds are always all over the plant... sometimes the lower buds will have the larger seeds, but all of the bud from all my plants have this.
Graytail said:
Dajerm, is it hard for you to examine the plants? If you can give 'em a good look, you should be able to find the culprit(s). You should find an old expended cluster of nanners somewhere in the foliage above and near the affected buds. The fuggers always remind me of the expended pods in the first Aliens. Icky to find. *shudder*. Anyway, if you can find any nanners and pull 'em out of there, then you might as well let any seeds mature. They'll be a lot easier to deal with. In any case, what's done is done. Just be sure you can find any new nanners.

And to answer the question about DeStress, no, that's probably not the issue. It's probably just a slightly unstable pheno and it got all fussy about something.

It could even be growing individual nanners out of each bud ... :hmmmm: ... in which case you'd probably want to chop it and be done. That's too much to nurse along.

:Namaste:
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No sir, not all that hard to examine. And I only have the one in flower now so isn't bad. But when I looked yesterday I could only find the one. Though I am sure their are more, I will look everyday from now till harvest.

Just to be clear, this has happened to all the plants I have grown in this tent. Not just Groot... I am just so damn upset man, so sick of my grow always going the same way... doesn't matter if the plant looks great and the bud looks dank... its always ruined by these tiny seeds.

Thanks for all the ideas guys, I think I will go cry a bit now.
 
kelticBlue said:
Hey now. Howdy.
Those little seeds are annoying, me no like.

Aside from light stress there's chemical, physical, biological, insects or disease. Just jumping in thinking outloud. I dunno what you got.
Glad you did the sit in the grow with the lights out. process of elimination.

Interesting thought back there about the far red. I use it to put the plants to sleep, triggers the photo chrome receptor and whatnot. It supposedly reduces overall flower time which can hurt yield.

I hope for the best. I believe you will overcome this.
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Hey KB, thanks for stopping by. Yea these seeds are no fun indeed...

I am honestly leaning toward Chemical... Been wondering if I could test in some way to see if my tent is letting something off thats harmful to my plants. I dont smell anything but that means nothing. Thanks @kelticBlue
 
TheGreenYeti said:
Tent growing can be a pain. Is there a reason you do not just use the closet the tent is in to grow? I know one of the reasons I went with a tent is that it was easier to add ventilation since there are pots dedicated to it. I would really like to move out of them one day and into rooms though.
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Yes sir, the main reason I need the tent is so no light get in there. It’s a weird old house and this closet had two doors... one door comes from the master bedroom the other from my wife’s studio... and it would be difficult to keep all light out of the closet after lights off. Plus my veg cabinet is in there too, same closet and if I need to check on the veg plant after the tent is dark I can do that with the tent.
And the vent closest to the veg cabinet is closed so no light gets in... only the back one is open but it is quite big.

I do need to figure something out though... and now I’m worried cause since I’m running the clone at 11/13 it’s throwing pistils so I’m worried when I was getting nanners some of the pollen could have been sucked into the cabinet
 
I have a nagging feeling that the rest of us are missing something here. :hmmmm: ...

These are bunches of tiny seeds, no (or few) full sized ones ...
And they're brown, not green, so they're mature ...
You've gotten them on every plant you ran in there ...
You found no sign of an earlier nanner burst on this plant ...
The nanners you found were scattered, and you find them in the buds themselves ...

It wasn't just this plant ...

:hmmmm:

We're missing something. :bongrip:
 
Graytail said:
I have a nagging feeling that the rest of us are missing something here. :hmmmm: ...

These are bunches of tiny seeds, no (or few) full sized ones ...
And they're brown, not green, so they're mature ...
You've gotten them on every plant you ran in there ...
You found no sign of an earlier nanner burst on this plant ...
The nanners you found were scattered, and you find them in the buds themselves ...

It wasn't just this plant ...

:hmmmm:

We're missing something. :bongrip:
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I totally agree, but here I am wondering what it is I am missing now. That’s why the only thing left that I can think of is this tent letting off some VOC of some kind... it is a cheap tent, and I have read since that others have had problems with cheap tents. But I can’t smell anything that would lead me to believe this... I mean if it’s letting something off from the material shouldn’t I be able to smell it?

I’m sorry Gray, trust me... if I had more to tell I would. I just don’t know what the deal is. I grew a few small plants out in my veg cabinet back when I first started and they never had these seeds in em...

I do know this is getting so frustrating it makes me want to quit. And I’m no quitter... I can’t afford to build anything else at this time. I guess I could, in time, build a small room inside the closet where the tent is and use that as my flower room. But I just spent like $120 on stuff for cobbing do am short on cash. Plus the wife is about done with me spending money on this hobby. It’s frustrating, and depressing... Hell I didn’t sleep well last night cause I couldn’t get this off my mind.

Thanks Gray, if you have anything you’d like me to check or want pics of anything please let me know.
 
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