Boys, I have great news! The wife and I are headed in to the city in one week!! And she's excited to meet you guys (she might have other words for it but I call it excitement)
I assure you, there will be an "On the Road w/Pigeons420" episode as well!!!!!!! It's kind of a must.
Boys, I have great news! The wife and I are headed in to the city in one week!! And she's excited to meet you guys (she might have other words for it but I call it excitement
I assure you, there will be an "On the Road w/Pigeons420" episode as well!!!!!!! It's kind of a must.
+1, I've been preaching that song too.Another good easy to follow videohowever, I don't agree with defoliation or cutting off healthy leaves and nodes just because they are at the bottom. That six-inch piece you cut off, I think it would've been top canopy within a couple of days. Perhaps if you skip the defoliation and cutting off other healthy growth, your veg time would be reduced? Just my opinion. I would do the exact opposite and not cut any of it and say "this is going to keep the plant growing quickly and not waste all that energy rebuilding this healthy shit I just cut off". I do not believe cutting off healthy plant material increases yeild, I believe it only slows vegetative growth.
To be fair though, I have only done one side-by-side comparison, that is hardly enough for proof that defol is a waste of time. But, I have never seen a legitimate side-by-side comparison where defoliation produced more yield. Would love to see some one do a legitimate clone only, shared reservoir, matching light level test some day to further prove it.
Hmm, I'm seeing it done, then seeing the small flower after effects. You know your stuff well, it shows. And I agree that was a large cut, but I can't under stand how pulling off energy production units help any grow.Yea I used to be on the same page. I even mention in the video that this is a first for me. I've never defoled let alone stripped her naked like this. But it's a practice I'm seeing done everywhere with great results. I too have never done a side by side but I've grown enough plants now to know that even undefoliated plants can grow small worthless buds and have lots of underwhelming growth at the bottom.
As for the piece I cut off that could be a potential top: it's not worth the time. To train that littl stem to become equal with the canopy would happen eventually but with the cost of time just to not be comparable in strength and size. There's already a nice array of tops I think I can afford to lose a couple weaklings. I want these plants out of the veg room in 3months. Having too much little stuff will take away from that and create small buds.
Your insight is always welcome here OG! I would also like to see a side by side grow with defol and without to see the difference.
Ok, that makes sense. My buddy got one of my auto AK seeds, I pulled 102g he is a trainer LST, D foal, ect. He pulled 28g. I had this same conversation at that point we are having. I bet those grows you referring to are ran by very experienced cultivaters. I'd include you in that last group so if it can be done I'd bet I'll see it here in a 420 vid.Thanks for the rant Miller! Please don't hesitate to bring them over here all the time.
Here's my thought process:
I'm still on the same page as you. I'm a strong believe that leaves do far more good than any bad. They're the main avenue for energy. That goes with everything I've learned up until now. Great!
But where I'm conflicted is:
Why are people pulling so much dope from over defoliated plants?? Look at the majority of POTM winners, a lot of these are Scrog setups or fluxed trained, with NO LEAVES???
So, that's where I've come to the conclusion: that I don't know enough about leaves and defoliation to have a concrete opinion on either to do it or not to do it. I need to figure this out for myself. Hence this naked lady I'm training. I've gotta see it to believe it.
I know that NON DEFOL. can produce puny product, airy, weak, yadda yadda buds. So what's there to lose? You feel me?
It seems there's something I'm missing and I'm determined to get to the bottom of it!
I sure appreciate you Miller!
Toking with you Pigeons! Those NL buds do look great. Do you still find satisfaction in a few rips of bud after smoking the BHO for a while? I have only hit some BHO once and it sure got me ripped. I worry that if I start concentrating I will raise my tolerance to the point that smoking the buds just won't satisfy me anymore. But that's just me. I have a very addictive personality so I'm gonna want the quickest, thickest buzz all the time. Everybody's different though. Just curious of your thoughts on it.
Keep the vids coming! I finally got caught up on the whole thread
It will also deliver the most concentrated cannabinoid load you can get outside of IV infusions. It's hard to argue against that. ShiggityFlip 's seen a dramatic acceleration healing of his psoriasis since he started dabbing full time. He's pressing, but getting close to a 22% return.
and thank you for excellent videos 
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