A Base Treatment Regimen For Cancer

[SweetSue]

He is doing the bio bomb 30 minutes before dosing and then injecting the oil into capsules. I've tried to get him to tack or do suppositories but this is the way he prefers to do it. It seems to be doing the job. He is also following a very healthy diet which I think helps the oil work better too. I see him once a month and boy I can really see the change each time. This last time he looked healthier than most well people I know. His family is very excited by his improvement. He says he's ready to go back to work which he thought would never happen. It is really amazing the transformation.

Neiko, I meant to ask, what recipe is he using that allows him to mix it up 30 min. ahead? The recipe Cajun shared calls for an overnight sit in the fridge. Can I get a detailed account of the process he's following? You can PM me if you'd prefer.

I'm certain his dietary changes are helping. You can potentially cure cancer with dietary control alone. Every mindful thing you add to a lifestyle that contains a healing diet only potentiates the beneficial effects.

 

[Formyparents]

Ok, so I may have a potential issue. I took 1/2 lb to my mom to trim but she got a little ambitious and trimmed the buds down to complete shake. My question is if it is still viable to make the CCO with this shake? I have an lb or so of G13 that will be ready within 3 weeks. Should I just wait for that or can I proceed with the shake that she has already prepared? She meant well and was just excited to get going

 

[SweetSue]

Ok, so I may have a potential issue. I took 1/2 lb to my mom to trim but she got a little ambitious and trimmed the buds down to complete shake. My question is if it is still viable to make the CCO with this shake? I have an lb or so of G13 that will be ready within 3 weeks. Should I just wait for that or can I proceed with the shake that she has already prepared? She meant well and was just excited to get going

I had to smile at this one.

I'll preface my response with the statement that I'm probably the least experienced of the oilers here, but I have dabbled with different forms. It depends on how small the shake is broken up into. If it's powdery it'll muck up the filtering and would be better used for another application. You can do many things with shake and even powdery, if that's all you have. For example, just last night I used 3 grams of assorted dry shake and made 48 THC capsules. It's not CCO, but it'll do in a pinch and it's still potent medicine.

There's also the concern of how much damage did she do to the trichomes? Only you can make that determination. If she caught all that fell then you still have it to use. If all the material is still there, in whatever form, you still have the makings for oil. Your filtration may be a challenge, but you're resourceful, aren't you?

If you have better product coming along and you feel there's no risk in waiting, then I'd wait. If you're anxious to try your hand on a batch, or you feel it's imperative to get started now, go for it.

You might want to put this question to the oilers on the Making CCO thread.

Tell your mom I appreciate the enthusiasm. I, personally, trim very little from the plants I'm making oil from. There are cannabinoids you'll find on the stems and fans that won't show up in the buds. I try to use as much from the entire plant in my oil as I can. When I harvest I chop, wash and hang with almost no trim. It's all going into the batch.

 

[Formyparents]

What do mean specifically that you wash after chop? As in spray off or dip in water? Wouldn't that be counter productive and remove valuable trichs? Would it even be necessary coming from a spotless room with great filtration and air exchange?

I'm also interested in your statement on making the capsules??

I imagine she compromised lots of the trichs, she just set up shop on her granite counter top and went to town, probably dropped enough to make a golf ball of bubble if I had to guess, it loops lIke it went though a coffee grinder at this point. I'm leaning towards making it into something else now, just not sure what. Seeing that JTR was a sativa pheno, it may not have been ideal for her first go at it anyways, dunno

 

[nobby32]

Hi Cajun, Sweetsue and all, Nobby back again this year to try again after a disastrous result this time last year. I’m in the middle stages of making my oil, and hopefully I’ll have plenty of Sativa (Barneys Acapulco Gold), CBD (Barneys Critical Cure) and Indica (Barneys Critical Kush).

I want to run my intended protocol past you learned folk!

I’ll mix my Sativa and CBD together (Daytime doses) in a 2 to 1 ratio as Motoco suggested, mix it with a carrier oil (last year I used coconut oil which I like) and then use a 1ml syringe to inject it 2 inches into my rectum. I find this much easier and less fiddly than suppositories. And likewise with the Indica for my Night-time dose.

To clean my receptors, which I neglected last year, I plan to use Cajun’s apigenin and Ginkgo Biloba protocol 20 minutes before the Oil doses. I’m on Green tea already. Not mango season here, but I could do a daily grapefuit.

200mg CCO and 200mg Coconot oil mixed = 400mg syringe six times a day, 3 hours apart, thus getting 1.2 grams of CCO per day. I’m guessing 4 doses of the Sativa/CBD mix, and then 2 doses of Indica before bed. I’ll build up to the 1.2 gms of course.

I’ll try to tack as well, but I had no luck with it last year, too much saliva. I’ll try harder!

Oh yeah, I’m stage 4 Prostate cancer with mets, currently on hormone therapy, reasonably healthy otherwise.

Obviously I’m open to all suggestions and critiques.

Thanks all, cheers, Nobby.

 

[SweetSue]

Hi Cajun, Sweetsue and all, Nobby back again this year to try again after a disastrous result this time last year. I’m in the middle stages of making my oil, and hopefully I’ll have plenty of Sativa (Barneys Acapulco Gold), CBD (Barneys Critical Cure) and Indica (Barneys Critical Kush).

I want to run my intended protocol past you learned folk!

I’ll mix my Sativa and CBD together (Daytime doses) in a 2 to 1 ratio as Motoco suggested, mix it with a carrier oil (last year I used coconut oil which I like) and then use a 1ml syringe to inject it 2 inches into my rectum. I find this much easier and less fiddly than suppositories. And likewise with the Indica for my Night-time dose.

To clean my receptors, which I neglected last year, I plan to use Cajun’s apigenin and Ginkgo Biloba protocol 20 minutes before the Oil doses. I’m on Green tea already. Not mango season here, but I could do a daily grapefuit.

200mg CCO and 200mg Coconot oil mixed = 400mg syringe six times a day, 3 hours apart, thus getting 1.2 grams of CCO per day. I’m guessing 4 doses of the Sativa/CBD mix, and then 2 doses of Indica before bed. I’ll build up to the 1.2 gms of course.

I’ll try to tack as well, but I had no luck with it last year, too much saliva. I’ll try harder!

Oh yeah, I’m stage 4 Prostate cancer with mets, currently on hormone therapy, reasonably healthy otherwise.

Obviously I’m open to all suggestions and critiques.

Thanks all, cheers, Nobby.

To my in-training eye it looks good nooby, and welcome back. You've obviously thought it through. Have you considered making a tincture and using that in lieu of tacking? As an alternative, Cajun recently made the simple suggestion of oil on a small piece of bread and placed under the tongue. You'd still be dealing with the saliva concern though, wouldn't you? It's worth considering.

It's really good to hear from you again.

 

[nobby32]

Wow that was quick!

Thanks Sue!

I thought about the bread trick but I want to avoid the high as much as possible as I work full time. It sound a bit like the 'sloppy tack' that people are talking about. I'll give it a try when I've got enough oil.

 

[SweetSue]

Wow that was quick!

Thanks Sue!

I thought about the bread trick but I want to avoid the high as much as possible as I work full time. It sound a bit like the 'sloppy tack' that people are talking about. I'll give it a try when I've got enough oil.

You control euphoria by either increasing the ratio of CBD or doling out the THC in smaller doses through the day. That's essentially what tacking does, leveling out the euphoria by making the doses smaller and more frequently scheduled. You might be able to get the same effect and results with a tincture.

 

[nobby32]

You control euphoria by either increasing the ratio of CBD or doling out the THC in smaller doses through the day. That's essentially what tacking does, leveling out the euphoria by making the doses smaller and more frequently scheduled. You might be able to get the same effect and results with a tincture.

I'll have to do more research on tinctures now! Drat and botheration! Or put a super effort into tacking...

Thanks Sue!

 

[SweetSue]

I'll have to do more research on tinctures now! Drat and botheration! Or put a super effort into tacking...

Thanks Sue!

Tinctures are real easy to do nooby. You can have one ready to go in hours by cooking it or in five days in a freezer with regular agitation. Strain and use. My measured ones are based on 1 gm decarbed bud to 2 oz solvent.

 

[nobby32]

Tinctures are real easy to do nooby. You can have one ready to go in hours by cooking it or in five days in a freezer with regular agitation. Strain and use. My measured ones are based on 1 gm decarbed bud to 2 oz solvent.

My research tended to bring up sites that made and used tinctures for getting stoned, as an alternative to smoking. That's not what I need, so if I can't make a go of tacking, I'll just stick with my backdoor system which, while sounding gross, is actually quick and clean and easy.

If anybody has a recipe for, or has made tinctures that are of a healing strength that don't make you stoned, I'd be very happy and grateful for any advice.

Cheers, Nobby

 

[nobby32]

Sorry Sue, I just noticed that you posted a recipe. Is that for healing or recreation? And what solvent are you using?

I'm using either Spirytus at 95 proof or some Aussie Organic Oil Extraction Fluid (made from sugar cane) at 99 proof. Or do I just need some ordinary alcohol or what?

Also, detailed instructions for cooking it would be handy - I've got the oil making down pat, thanks to Morocco's thorough instructions, but I'm not too flash in the kitchen/laboratory otherwise.

Cheers, Nobby

 

[SweetSue]

My research tended to bring up sites that made and used tinctures for getting stoned, as an alternative to smoking. That's not what I need, so if I can't make a go of tacking, I'll just stick with my backdoor system which, while sounding gross, is actually quick and clean and easy.

If anybody has a recipe for, or has made tinctures that are of a healing strength that don't make you stoned, I'd be very happy and grateful for any advice.

Cheers, Nobby

Nooby, there's a lot of new research going on that none of us is privy to yet, but the rumblings I'm hearing is that CBD may actually be more of a healing medicine than THC. Now, I realize that the THC is what's doing the heavy work with tumor eradication, but it might be worth investigating incorporating medication with at least a balanced 1:1 ratio CBD:THC into the protocol at some level. I make a tincture with that ratio that I find works well for pain, anxiety and mild depression, and I take capsules made with that same strain as part of my daily meds. I've no way of knowing what else it's doing to benefit my system. My research has convinced me that CBD should be a part of any cannabinoid therapy.

May I ask, how much euphoria do you experience dosing backdoor like you do? I can see how much easier this could be and I'm glad to hear it's working for you.

 

[nobby32]

Nooby, there's a lot of new research going on that none of us is privy to yet, but the rumblings I'm hearing is that CBD may actually be more of a healing medicine than THC. Now, I realize that the THC is what's doing the heavy work with tumor eradication, but it might be worth investigating incorporating medication with at least a balanced 1:1 ratio CBD:THC into the protocol at some level. I make a tincture with that ratio that I find works well for pain, anxiety and mild depression, and I take capsules made with that same strain as part of my daily meds. I've no way of knowing what else it's doing to benefit my system. My research has convinced me that CBD should be a part of any cannabinoid therapy.

May I ask, how much euphoria do you experience dosing backdoor like you do? I can see how much easier this could be and I'm glad to hear it's working for you.

Hmm that's interesting about the CBD. And good for me cos I've got a good crop this year and can certainly mix 1:1 with my sativa and indica strains.

Please keep us posted on these new developments.

Also, last year I dosed myself backdoor with 500mgs of CCO at a time with basically zero euphoria, just a feeling of overall well-being. It took me a week to build up to this dose, or rather I built up from 200mg daily with a mild stone initially, per day to 1gram per day in 2 doses. As it turned out there was way too much time in-between these two doses (12hrs) and the disease wasn't being treated during that time. But generally no euphoria.


Cheers, nobby

 

[SweetSue]

Hmm that's interesting about the CBD. And good for me cos I've got a good crop this year and can certainly mix 1:1 with my sativa and indica strains.

Please keep us posted on these new developments.

Also, last year I dosed myself backdoor with 500mgs of CCO at a time with basically zero euphoria, just a feeling of overall well-being. It took me a week to build up to this dose, or rather I built up from 200mg daily with a mild stone initially, per day to 1gram per day in 2 doses. As it turned out there was way too much time in-between these two doses (12hrs) and the disease wasn't being treated during that time. But generally no euphoria.


Cheers, nobby

I remember that. I expect you'll have better results with closer dosing times. Thanks for answering. Trying to expand the knowledge base and that sometimes means I get nosey. It can be a fine line.

Hey, it's really good to see your name pop up on my notifications list.

 

[nobby32]

I remember that. I expect you'll have better results with closer dosing times. Thanks for answering. Trying to expand the knowledge base and that sometimes means I get nosey. It can be a fine line.

Hey, it's really good to see your name pop up on my notifications list.

Don't worry about the nosey Sue, I can cope!

And nice to be back!

Cheers, Nobby

 

[SweetSue]

I thought it was important that this one get posted here. Thank you Mr. Krip for bringing it to my attention.

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[Formyparents]

OK, Sue, everyone..the below statement caught me off guard. Does this change the entire playing field for my mom? She has E+ met breast cancer as I mentioned before. We have a small batch of oil from Jack the Ripper, and an upcoming one from G13(high THC). Is this oil going to do more harm than good? High CBD oil will not be available for a few months...

Carretitta, my wife also has stage four metastisized breast cancer. It is very important to know if your cancer is ER+. If it is, it is very important that you do not do a high THC treatment. The high THC can actually cause your cancer to metastasize faster. There is actually a published study showing this. I have spoken to experts in California who heal people with cannabis oil, and when they are dealing with ER+ cancer, they typically want the ratio of CBD to THC to be 3 to 1. Also, they don't recommend that you just stick to a standard 1 gram per day. Instead they recommend that you have the oil tested and then take 5 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. In that total amount of milligrams per kilogram of body weight the ratio of CBD to THC should be 3 to 1. My wife was originally taking high THC oil, and she saw no improvement at all after a month and a half. We are not sure if it got worse or not because we didn't have the scans to compare, but we know it didn't get better because her pural effusion didn'the get better. (She just had an operation where they filled the pural effusion space with talc and it was successful, so no more drainage). She also had similar problems in terms of getting uncomfortably high. So, we started doing suppositories instead which were much much better. However, when doing suppositories, you have to be careful not to insert the suppository too far. If you insert it too far, you will hit the portal vein and cause the oils to go to the liver and cause a psychoactive effect. So she made sure to insert it until just before the middle knuckle, which was about two inches. Anyway, the question is is your cancer er positive, and if it is, have you had menopause induced, were you already in menopause, or have your ovaries been removed? Let's go from there.

We are putting together a plan to publish to the group to critique and modify as needed, but there is so much conflicting information between the different threads. We want to get this right. Please advise

 

[SweetSue]

OK, Sue, everyone..the below statement caught me off guard. Does this change the entire playing field for my mom? She has E+ met breast cancer as I mentioned before. We have a small batch of oil from Jack the Ripper, and an upcoming one from G13(high THC). Is this oil going to do more harm than good? High CBD oil will not be available for a few months...



We are putting together a plan to publish to the group to critique and modify as needed, but there is so much conflicting information between the different threads. We want to get this right. Please advise

I hear you. Let me do some checking around and get back to you. Can you please point me to the original location of the post you shared? I'd like to read the discussion and get more perspective.

 

[Formyparents]

Sure Sue,

Its in the Cannabis Oil Dosing Tutorial thread, post #1727 but in this(here) thread Cajun says to go hard at it with the high THC. I've read most of this thread here, but not all of all of the 3 or 4 threads on this site that play into each other.

We are printing out everything from this thread, putting into a binder, and putting note tabs on important facts and notes to formulate a plan of attack to present to you guys/gals, but I am getting confused by conflicting info. Thanks