A Base Treatment Regimen For Cancer

This is a link to the NIH's National Cancer institute's excellent paper on

Cannabis and Cannabinoids

It's loaded with valuable information with links to a multitude of studies.

Fourth paragraph down under "Antitumor Effects" reads

"An in vitro study of the effect of CBD on programmed cell death in breast cancer cell lines found that CBD induced programmed cell death, independent of the CB1, CB2, or vanilloid receptors. CBD inhibited the survival of both estrogen receptor—positive and estrogen receptor—negative breast cancer cell lines, inducing apoptosis in a concentration-dependent manner while having little effect on nontumorigenic mammary cells."

Shrivastava A, Kuzontkoski PM, Groopman JE, et al.: Cannabidiol induces programmed cell death in breast cancer cells by coordinating the cross-talk between apoptosis and autophagy. Mol Cancer Ther 10 (7): 1161-72, 2011. PUBMED Abstract

"Other studies have also shown the antitumor effect of cannabinoids (i.e., CBD and THC) in preclinical models of breast cancer."

Caffarel MM, Andradas C, Mira E, et al.: Cannabinoids reduce ErbB2-driven breast cancer progression through Akt inhibition. Mol Cancer 9: 196, 2010. PUBMED Abstract

McAllister SD, Murase R, Christian RT, et al.: Pathways mediating the effects of cannabidiol on the reduction of breast cancer cell proliferation, invasion, and metastasis. Breast Cancer Res Treat 129 (1): 37-47, 2011. PUBMED Abstract

You need to keep in mind that the studies being bantered around about this were done on mice, not humans. No human studies have backed up these claims. We know that high THC is an effective treatment for cancer cells. When you get the higher CBD strain available your protocol will strengthen, but in the meantime these links may offer you some peace of mind.

I've skimmed the abstracts. I'll be honest, I haven't had much sleep for a few nights and the eyes are too tired to tackle all that small print.

I'll continue my search tomorrow when the eyes are more rested. I hope this helps. Please don't hesitate to ask if there's more you need clarified. Well keep at it until you're comfortable.
 
SweetSue said:
This is a link to the NIH's National Cancer institute's excellent paper on

Cannabis and Cannabinoids

It's loaded with valuable information with links to a multitude of studies.

Fourth paragraph down under "Antitumor Effects" reads

"An in vitro study of the effect of CBD on programmed cell death in breast cancer cell lines found that CBD induced programmed cell death, independent of the CB1, CB2, or vanilloid receptors. CBD inhibited the survival of both estrogen receptor—positive and estrogen receptor—negative breast cancer cell lines, inducing apoptosis in a concentration-dependent manner while having little effect on nontumorigenic mammary cells."

Shrivastava A, Kuzontkoski PM, Groopman JE, et al.: Cannabidiol induces programmed cell death in breast cancer cells by coordinating the cross-talk between apoptosis and autophagy. Mol Cancer Ther 10 (7): 1161-72, 2011. PUBMED Abstract

"Other studies have also shown the antitumor effect of cannabinoids (i.e., CBD and THC) in preclinical models of breast cancer."

Caffarel MM, Andradas C, Mira E, et al.: Cannabinoids reduce ErbB2-driven breast cancer progression through Akt inhibition. Mol Cancer 9: 196, 2010. PUBMED Abstract

McAllister SD, Murase R, Christian RT, et al.: Pathways mediating the effects of cannabidiol on the reduction of breast cancer cell proliferation, invasion, and metastasis. Breast Cancer Res Treat 129 (1): 37-47, 2011. PUBMED Abstract

You need to keep in mind that the studies being bantered around about this were done on mice, not humans. No human studies have backed up these claims. We know that high THC is an effective treatment for cancer cells. When you get the higher CBD strain available your protocol will strengthen, but in the meantime these links may offer you some peace of mind.

I've skimmed the abstracts. I'll be honest, I haven't had much sleep for a few nights and the eyes are too tired to tackle all that small print.

I'll continue my search tomorrow when the eyes are more rested. I hope this helps. Please don't hesitate to ask if there's more you need clarified. Well keep at it until you're comfortable.
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Hello, my name is gigiRSOiler. I am the mother of Formyparents. I have a few questions for you after I give you a little background. Four and a half years ago I was diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer. _______________Besides my breast, it had spread to several lymph nodes, my liver and several places in the bone. Within 6 weeks of my diagnosis my doctor suggested a clinical research trial using Kadcyla and Perjeta (these new names were changed after FDA approved them). After 6 months of treatment the cancer was gone from my breast, lymph nodes and liver but still present in the bone. Four years later there's little progress with the bone mets.

Sue, I've read such amazing things by you and Cajun and several other members I was hoping that you could come together and decide on a recommended treatment protocol. I started tacking 7/11/16 with a med-high THC strain of Jack the Ripper. It was the best night's sleep I've had in a while and I felt great when I woke up. I plan to continue to tack daily (1/3-1/2 size of rice kernel) while building up a tolerance.

There seems to be some conflicting recommendations and I'm at a loss of which direction to go from here. Is the Canna Budwig protocal the way to go? It (entry#10) recommends a 2:1 (THC:CBD) but another (entry #898) says a 3:1 (CBD:THC) is the best was to go for ER+ mets. At this point, at least for a few months, high THC oil is all I will have available(G13, Super Skunk, and Mowie Wowie), CBD oils will take some time (CBD Big Bud Super Skunk and CBD Shark).

I understand with ER+ that when making suppositories I should not use flaxseed(entry#15). Also, from what I have read from another poster, as my son(formyparents) mentioned in a previous post, high THC may not be the way to go with ER+ breast cancer. The documents you shared with my son, seem to go either way.

So my limited understanding thus far is that I will tack until I reach 100mg using the recommended doubling every 4-7 days until reaching 100mg. From that point I will start with the 25% of 1 gram by tacking and 75% by suppositories. Of course, this depending on your recommendation for my treatment protocal.

There is sooo much to read between the 3 threads that I cant formulate a plan without the group's valuable input.

I am so glad that my son found you and so look forward to healing with your help. I have so many wonderful reasons to live and believe in the power of this plant.

Sincerely...gigiRSOiler
 
gigi, I just found this. I wanted you to know I'll be working on an answer. I'm not home right now, but I'll catch you later.

Hold on to that sense of determination and faith. It'll serve you well in the days ahead. I'm so glad to hear you're sleeping better. Always a good sign.
 
This is Cajun's original post on the protocol.

cajuncelt said:
Dosing Considerations: The object is to ingest a minimum of 1g of cannabis oil on a daily basis. If you're not accustomed to THC in the system, start with a very low dose of 25 mg 3 times a day. I will double the dosage to 50 mg after 5 maybe 6 days. I will try to double the dosage to100 mg 4 times a day in 4 to 5 days. From that time forward I hope to double the dosage every 4 days until I have reached a daily dosage that is at least 1 g of cannabis oils.

Dosage Administration: When the dosages reach 100 mg/dose, the dosages will be administered as 25% oral and 75% anal which will be deeply inserted to the rectum as to hit the hepatic portal vein to quickly move the oils to the liver.
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You made a flaw in your understanding of what he proposed. When you get to 100 mg per dose you begin taking 25% of that dose orally and the remaining 75% of the dose using a suppository. Initially your suppositories would only have 75mg of cannabinoids in them.

From this point on you continue to double your individual doses every 4-7 days, as you can tolerate, until you've reached a point where you're taking in at least 1 gram of CCO in a day. That means when you get to the 1 gram level, if you're tacking and doing suppositories three times a day each suppository is 250 mg of cannabinoids and you're tacking 250 mg of cannabinoids, in as many doses as you're comfortable with.

Alternatively, you could be taking three suppositories a day at a level of 1/3 a gram per dose, and doing a small tack before each one.

We're all lab rats here gigi. The reality is the concerns about high THC and ER+ cancers aren't based in any human studies at all. We know THC kills cancer cells. The decision on whether to believe the fearful hype against the proven performance of the plant is yours and yours alone.

Every body reacts to cannabis in an individual way. There are no blanket treatments with this plant. This is why we have to start each case at a sub-therapeutic dose and increase gradually, listening carefully to the body as you go. You have high THC oil available. You'll be starting out at a low dose. By the time you work up to a much higher dose you'll surely have some tests done. Those labs will give you a good indicator as to the effectiveness of the protocol.

How often are your labs done?

I went back to the Oil Dosing Tutorial thread and read the conversation. That's what prompted my statement about the individual response to cannabinoid therapies. You won't know how your body's reacting until you have labs done following a period of continuious medication. My advice to you would be to proceed with the oil you have available.

At post #1735 he laid out the process they used for the suppositories. This could be adapted to fit any dose.

tptb73 said:
Also, seeing that you have no time to waste, you must start suppositories ASAP. My wife did work her way up to a gram per day orally, but she got so tired of being stoned out of her mind all that time. And I am TOTALLY familiar with the experience you are describing...of having a bad trip and being so high that you just want to have a panic attack. That is no fun at all. So my wife switched to suppositories. She is doing 3 per day...1/3 gram per dose for a gram per day, and another 1/10 of a gram orally at night. You can get size 00 gelatin capsules, put 1/3 of a gram of oil inside a capsule, then fill the rest of the capsule with coconut oil. Don't expect it to mix. Wait until after you poop. Then, using medical gloves, insert the capsule until just BEFORE the middle knuckle and no more. Hold it in there and go about your business, but don't poop for an hour at least. You will only get a warm fuzzy feeling and you will be able to function normally. My wife LOVES the suppositories. I haven't heard of anyone who doesn't. I am sure that after your traumatic experience, you will want to test a suppository with less oil in it than 1/3 gram the first time, and I don't blame you. But after you do that, go ahead and bump it up. It would be a good idea to have some benzos around,like clonopin or xanax, or diazepam, in order to have something in case you ever go into that awful negative high again. Just be careful not to insert the capsule too far. My wife experimented once and pushed it in past the middle knuckle all the way to the portal vein. It was a large dose and she almost had a panic attack. Luckily, we had some benzos around. But, trust me, suppositories are the way to go for you. Everyone who can't handle the oral doses does suppositories and likes them. You will do great. Just get started ASAP.
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This is a quick and easy method to do suppositories. It doesn't include lecithin, but it does include a good carrier oil. I'd probably opt for olive instead. According to Cajun the choice of coconut oil would be for the treatment of liver cancer. His advice to me was look to olive if it's available.

The CannaBudwig method works, but it's a through-the-gut approach that will get you high, so it depends on how much you enjoy euphoria. Cajun's offered us a way to adapt the protocol to include the carrier oil and liquid sunflower lecithin with the intention to make the concentrated cannabis oil more effective. I haven't personally made any suppositories with this method, but if I did I think I'd be inclined to use capsules for the suppositories.

Next questions? :laughtwo:

I'm impressed with the energy you and your son bring to the table. Keep reading and questioning. It's only confusing because it's still new. I understand the confusion when you find so much conflicting information, but that's partly because of the individual nature of cannabinoid expression. We'll keep hashing it out until your comfortable with where you're headed.
 
SweetSue said:
This is Cajun's original post on the protocol.



You made a flaw in your understanding of what he proposed. When you get to 100 mg per dose you begin taking 25% of that dose orally and the remaining 75% of the dose using a suppository. Initially your suppositories would only have 75mg of cannabinoids in them.

From this point on you continue to double your individual doses every 4-7 days, as you can tolerate, until you've reached a point where you're taking in at least 1 gram of CCO in a day. That means when you get to the 1 gram level, if you're tacking and doing suppositories three times a day each suppository is 250 mg of cannabinoids and you're tacking 250 mg of cannabinoids, in as many doses as you're comfortable with.

Alternatively, you could be taking three suppositories a day at a level of 1/3 a gram per dose, and doing a small tack before each one.

We're all lab rats here gigi. The reality is the concerns about high THC and ER+ cancers aren't based in any human studies at all. We know THC kills cancer cells. The decision on whether to believe the fearful hype against the proven performance of the plant is yours and yours alone.

Every body reacts to cannabis in an individual way. There are no blanket treatments with this plant. This is why we have to start each case at a sub-therapeutic dose and increase gradually, listening carefully to the body as you go. You have high THC oil available. You'll be starting out at a low dose. By the time you work up to a much higher dose you'll surely have some tests done. Those labs will give you a good indicator as to the effectiveness of the protocol.

How often are your labs done?

I went back to the Oil Dosing Tutorial thread and read the conversation. That's what prompted my statement about the individual response to cannabinoid therapies. You won't know how your body's reacting until you have labs done following a period of continuious medication. My advice to you would be to proceed with the oil you have available.

At post #1735 he laid out the process they used for the suppositories. This could be adapted to fit any dose.



This is a quick and easy method to do suppositories. It doesn't include lecithin, but it does include a good carrier oil. I'd probably opt for olive instead. According to Cajun the choice of coconut oil would be for the treatment of liver cancer. His advice to me was look to olive if it's available.

The CannaBudwig method works, but it's a through-the-gut approach that will get you high, so it depends on how much you enjoy euphoria. Cajun's offered us a way to adapt the protocol to include the carrier oil and liquid sunflower lecithin with the intention to make the concentrated cannabis oil more effective. I haven't personally made any suppositories with this method, but if I did I think I'd be inclined to use capsules for the suppositories.

Next questions? :laughtwo:

I'm impressed with the energy you and your son bring to the table. Keep reading and questioning. It's only confusing because it's still new. I understand the confusion when you find so much conflicting information, but that's partly because of the individual nature of cannabinoid expression. We'll keep hashing it out until your comfortable with where you're headed.
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Hi Sue,
Thanks for the clarifications earlier. My last scan was July 6th and my next will be in another 3 months. My complete diagnosis is called Infiltrating Ductal Carcinoma, Grade III, ER+ PR- Her2New+. As mentioned earlier, I've been undergoing chemo for 4.5 years and during that time have been smoking cannabis, at night, to help me sleep.

For now I will go forward with the high THC oil. I would like to stop tacking and start looking at making suppositories (with EVOO). Unless you all think a different protocol is better, I plan to both build my tolerance and work up to 1g oil using suppositories. I am confused as to why its best to insert the suppositories right after a bowel movement (#904 below). Obviously, many people do not have 4/5 bowel mvmnts a day. My common sense tells me this may not be essential but I want to be clear about what I'll be doing.

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Originally Posted by tptb73
Also, seeing that you have no time to waste, you must start suppositories ASAP. My wife did work her way up to a gram per day orally, but she got so tired of being stoned out of her mind all that time. And I am TOTALLY familiar with the experience you are describing...of having a bad trip and being so high that you just want to have a panic attack. That is no fun at all. So my wife switched to suppositories. She is doing 3 per day...1/3 gram per dose for a gram per day, and another 1/10 of a gram orally at night. You can get size 00 gelatin capsules, put 1/3 of a gram of oil inside a capsule, then fill the rest of the capsule with coconut oil. Don't expect it to mix. Wait until after you poop. Then, using medical gloves, insert the capsule until just BEFORE the middle knuckle and no more. Hold it in there and go about your business, but don't poop for an hour at least. You will only get a warm fuzzy feeling and you will be able to function normally. My wife LOVES the suppositories. I haven't heard of anyone who doesn't. I am sure that after your traumatic experience, you will want to test a suppository with less oil in it than 1/3 gram the first time, and I don't blame you. But after you do that, go ahead and bump it up. It would be a good idea to have some benzos around,like clonopin or xanax, or diazepam, in order to have something in case you ever go into that awful negative high again. Just be careful not to insert the capsule too far. My wife experimented once and pushed it in past the middle knuckle all the way to the portal vein. It was a large dose and she almost had a panic attack. Luckily, we had some benzos around. But, trust me, suppositories are the way to go for you. Everyone who can't handle the oral doses does suppositories and likes them. You will do great. Just get started ASAP.


As far as a diet... is the Alkaline diet essential? The 2 statements below have me sitting on the fence with regards to the use of the Alkaline Diet. Would a good cancer diet (certain fruits, veggies, protein) plan be just as good. I know the key is no sugar/low carbs/moderate protein/MCFAs. Regardless of the diet plan I would think the supplementation before dosing and the demethylation enhancements would still apply.

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Re: A Base Treatment Regimen for Cancer
This method is not meant to replace anyone's current successful protocol.
Dietary Considerations: Follow the alkaline diet guidelines. This makes a hostile environment in the body helping prevent illness and disease. Organic everything if at all possible.


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Re: A Base Treatment Regimen for Cancer
I'm going to be frank about the Alkaline Diet. It's a great diet nutritionally. But, I've been assured by some great doctors at the Moncrief Center, Baylor Medical & MD Anderson that a person cannot change their body's acidity level through diet. I'll post more about it if you want the info.
There's also been too many problems with the baking soda protocol for me to suggest it.

Post #5 Sweet Sue's StudyHall
We've already covered demethylation, so you're already doing things like drinking lots of green tea, eating dark, dark chocolate, cinnamon, mangoes, etc. right? Good. It enhances your bioavailability.

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Re: A Base Treatment Regimen for Cancer
Pre-Dosage Preparation: 30—40minutes before dosage:
80 mg Apinenin
200mg Amentoflavone(Ginko Baloba,Amentomax)
1 Mango cup

Thanks
gigiRSOiler
 
Alright gigi, let me see what we have.......

I agree that the sooner you can get suppositories into the protocol the better. You should still do a small tack about 15 minutes before the suppository to prime the system.

Do you have any idea what your cannabinoid dose is with the tacking you're doing right now? Also, what potency will you be starting the suppositories at? If you're going to jump straight to suppositories begin with a dose no higher than 100 mg each and then gradually build up from there to the 1 gram a day level. Don't hesitate to start below that 100 mg individual dose either. You don't want to overwhelm the endocannabinoid system and have your receptors go offline on you. Resetting your ECS isn't something we want to have to do at this point. In three months when you have your next scans you'll have a good picture as to the effectiveness of the protocol.

The encouragement to have the bowel movement first was in the event that you knew you'd need to have one within a reasonable amount of time close to the scheduled dose. In that case, wait until you've had the bowel movement and then insert the suppository.

The steps to demethylate only need be done for one or two weeks in any given month. I'd probably opt for first and third weeks. Once you're cancer free and on a maintenance dose you can fall back to doing demethylation hard and heavy for a week every few months. Having said that, if you insert things like green tea into your regular dietary choices you only help things along.

The pre dosing is important every time. The mango clears the receptors and the amentoflavone and apigenin keep the liver enzymes occupied. Cajun's oncologist recommended he take up to 1500 mg of the apigenin daily, so you have no concern that you'll be taking too many. Cajun never took that many. A body can only stomach so many pills in a day sometimes, even if you are treating cancer.

I think I hit all your questions. If not, or when more arise, I'm here. Ask away.

The alkaline diet - I'd pass. Cajun's changed his mind about that, as stated in that post you picked out, and I agree with him. Make reasonable changes to your diet that sit well with you. If you haven't already, avoid processed sugars. Cancer loves sugar and hopes you don't pay attention to this advice.
 
Formyparents said:
Sue, you are an awesome woman. Thanks for all your time to answer her questions and all the research and time you have enveloped yourself into learming about this to help others. Tipping my hat to you, lady :)
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Awww.... Thanks....:hugs:

Just being me. I'm surrounded by all these awesome people here. How can I try any less? All this researching has morphed into a passion. The more I do it the easier it gets to find what I'm seeking. I'll feel better when we get some movement in PA and I can link up to local clinicians and organizations, but for now I do my best with what I have available.
 
nobby32 said:
My research tended to bring up sites that made and used tinctures for getting stoned, as an alternative to smoking. That's not what I need, so if I can't make a go of tacking, I'll just stick with my backdoor system which, while sounding gross, is actually quick and clean and easy.

If anybody has a recipe for, or has made tinctures that are of a healing strength that don't make you stoned, I'd be very happy and grateful for any advice.

Cheers, Nobby
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Nobby, I found one.

This is by one Jason Cranford, a dispensary owner and cannabis activist in Colorado. I found it on an interesting site named Ladybud. Worth checking out, if only for the excellent interviews. During the one with Jason he shared his recipe for a THCA tincture prepared in your crockpot.

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Necessary tools:
- crock pot capable of maintaining a temperature of 140 degrees F
- laser thermometer to make sure the temperature is constant
- stainless fork or whisk
- filtering/straining material (coffee filter, paint strainer bag, food strainer - your choice)

Supplies
- carrier oil of your choice: 33 ml per gram of cannabis
- plant material, ground (a food processor works well)

Process
- Combine plant material and oil in the crockpot and bring it up to 140 degrees F.
- Keep it at this temperature for four hours, being sure to occasionally agitate it with a fork or whisk.
- Strain and bottle. It's ready to use immediately.

They're learning more every day about the healing potential of the acid cannabinoids. Much of what's been turning up suggests the carboxylic acid cannabinoids are often as effective, if not more so than the de-carboxylated ones in treating nausea, vomiting and inflammation.

Kate Welsh over at Skunk Pharm Research put together a thorough look at the current understanding of THCA and CBDA.

Cannabinoid Carboxylic Acids THCA And CBDA; Their Potential Functions Applications And Methods Of Extraction

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the acid cannabinoids do much, much more than we now know.

It's not something to replace your backdoor protocol, but something worthy of consideration to augment the protocol and possibly speed healing.
 
SweetSue said:
Nooby, I found one.

This is by one Jason Cranford, a dispensary owner and cannabis activist in Colorado. I found it on an interesting site named Ladybud. Worth checking out, if only for the excellent interviews. During the one with Jason he shared his recipe for a THCA tincture prepared in your crockpot.

image14713.jpeg


Necessary tools:
- crock pot capable of maintaining a temperature of 140 degrees F
- laser thermometer to make sure the temperature is constant
- stainless fork or whisk
- filtering/straining material (coffee filter, paint strainer bag, food strainer - your choice)

Supplies
- carrier oil of your choice: 33 ml per gram of cannabis
- plant material, ground (a food processor works well)

Process
- Combine plant material and oil in the crockpot and bring it up to 140 degrees F.
- Keep it at this temperature for four hours, being sure to occasionally agitate it with a fork or whisk.
- Strain and bottle. It's ready to use immediately.

They're learning more every day about the healing potential of the acid cannabinoids. Much of what's been turning up suggests the carboxylic acid cannabinoids are often as effective, if not more so than the de-carboxylated ones in treating nausea, vomiting and inflammation.

Kate Welsh over at Skunk Pharm Research put together a thorough look at the current understanding of THCA and CBDA.

Cannabinoid Carboxylic Acids THCA And CBDA; Their Potential Functions Applications And Methods Of Extraction

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the acid cannabinoids do much, much more than we now know.

It's not something to replace your backdoor protocol, but something worthy of consideration to augment the protocol and possibly speed healing.
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Sue, thanks heaps, but you're 'Just in time to be too late' as Hank Williams Jnr put it...

I used every last gram of bud for my oil last weekend - bugger!

However I'll keep that recipe for Ron (later-Ron), who knows I might get some buds from somewhere?

BTW I had a matchstick-head sized taste of my "burnt" oil and it seems to be potent enough. I was very pleasantly stoned yesterday arvo... :)

...and I know it's in your head now and it'll be weird to change and not wanting to be too picky, but my name is 'nobby' rhymes with Bobby and not nooby which it probably should be but isn't. Sorry to mention it and I'm sure you've just been teasing' me... :byebye:

Cheers, Nobby
 
nobby32 said:
Sue, thanks heaps, but you're 'Just in time to be too late' as Hank Williams Jnr put it...

I used every last gram of bud for my oil last weekend - bugger!

However I'll keep that recipe for Ron (later-Ron), who knows I might get some buds from somewhere?

BTW I had a matchstick-head sized taste of my "burnt" oil and it seems to be potent enough. I was very pleasantly stoned yesterday arvo... :)

...and I know it's in your head now and it'll be weird to change and not wanting to be too picky, but my name is 'nobby' rhymes with Bobby and not nooby which it probably should be but isn't. Sorry to mention it and I'm sure you've just been teasing' me... :byebye:

Cheers, Nobby
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Sorry Nobby, flying fingers and multi-tasking sometimes get the better of me. :laughtwo: Please forgive me. :hugs: Eek! How long have I been doing that?

Good to hear about the oil. How badly "burnt" was it? I had some from a small batch I made and evaporated on a cup warmer. Well, I forgot it was there until I smelled it. I was in the same room, so I got that whiff quickly and pulled it off, but it was a bit more done than I was shooting for on the heat.

I've been playing around with the BioBomb capsules and enjoying them considerably. I've decided this 5:1 mix is my personal protocol. I even froze my brownies that hadn't been eaten yet. :laughtwo: I have another gram of oil, and mixing it up as a BioBomb I can stretch that for three months and give myself time to get a harvest in.

Edit: I went back and edited my original post. Again, my apologies. :battingeyelashes: :Love:
 
SweetSue said:
Sorry Nobby, flying fingers and multi-tasking sometimes get the better of me. :laughtwo: Please forgive me. :hugs: Eek! How long have I been doing that?

Good to hear about the oil. How badly "burnt" was it? I had some from a small batch I made and evaporated on a cup warmer. Well, I forgot it was there until I smelled it. I was in the same room, so I got that whiff quickly and pulled it off, but it was a bit more done than I was shooting for on the heat.

I've been playing around with the BioBomb capsules and enjoying them considerably. I've decided this 5:1 mix is my personal protocol. I even froze my brownies that hadn't been eaten yet. :laughtwo: I have another gram of oil, and mixing it up as a BioBomb I can stretch that for three months and give myself time to get a harvest in.

Edit: I went back and edited my original post. Again, my apologies. :battingeyelashes: :Love:
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Obviously it wasn't as burnt as I'd thought. Marvellous stuff, this cannabis!

Sue, I'd forgive you anything for all the good work you've been doing for us. We are all in your debt for your tireless research and patient help. You're a legend! Go flying fingers!

Got work to do...

Cheers, Nobby
 
hey GiGiRsoiler, I treated an individual who had cancer that metastasized to the bones back in late 2014. This was before the excellent advances we made with the plant. I gave him oil from the church & frisian dew strain which would not have very much CBD. Also i never gave him a protocol to go with it. It worked for him. So don't focus soley on high CBD.(To many crooks out there pushing high CBD only because it is legal to ship when they are using CBD from the industrial hemp plant which many are)
 
panacea said:
hey GiGiRsoiler, I treated an individual who had cancer that metastasized to the bones back in late 2014. This was before the excellent advances we made with the plant. I gave him oil from the church & frisian dew strain which would not have very much CBD. Also i never gave him a protocol to go with it. It worked for him. So don't focus soley on high CBD.(To many crooks out there pushing high CBD only because it is legal to ship when they are using CBD from the industrial hemp plant which many are)
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Panacea, thanks much for the response. I am GiGi's son. We have several top shelf dominant indica strains to work with so that is good info. High CBD strains are in the works but it's good to know they are not mandatory. We are about to begin mixing several strains for each run of oil. She's doing well on it so far. My stepdad is not digging the euphoria of the tacking so they are both about to begin with the suppositories. I'm excited for them and they are working on a solid diet to complement /adjunct the RSO therapy
 
Formyparents said:
Panacea, thanks much for the response. I am GiGi's son. We have several top shelf dominant indica strains to work with so that is good info. High CBD strains are in the works but it's good to know they are not mandatory. We are about to begin mixing several strains for each run of oil. She's doing well on it so far. My stepdad is not digging the euphoria of the tacking so they are both about to begin with the suppositories. I'm excited for them and they are working on a solid diet to complement /adjunct the RSO therapy
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This is all good news. Let us know how the suppositories are tolerated please. Just adding to the learning curve.
 
Just to clarify. I am not saying We do not need CBD, just not CBD only strains which these crooks are trying to convince you of. I use a mixture of CBD, THC and CBG which you can get from raw juicing which I think would also be a good part of anyones protocol
 
Hello Sue and all,

Well, an hour ago I just started my 2016 dosing routine, to see if I can knock this Stage 4 Prostate Cancer (with mets) on the head for once and for all.

I will be doing monthly PSA tests just to see where I'm at. My PSA is currently 9.5, but I'm on Hormone therapy (actually I've just stopped, so my PSA should begin to rise) so I'm being careful here - I need to keep an eye on this PSA.

Last year I tried all this, dosing 12 hourly with 500mg of CCO at a time, but that regime made my PSA rise instead of fall. This time I've also been drinking green tea and mango juice to clean those CB1 and 2 receptors.

Hopefully more prepared and educated this time.

I've mixed Barney's Seeds Acapulco Gold sativa dominant 24% THC in a 2:1 ratio with Barney's Seeds Critical Cure 8% CBD.
Then I mixed that oil with unrefined organic Coconut oil in a 1:1 ratio.

I'm dosing myself by the back door method - a 1ml syringe 2" into the rectum.

At 9am, 12pm, 3pm, 6pm, with this Sativa/CBD blend - 300ml in the syringe = 600mg C C Oil

At 9pm and 12pm I will dose with 400ml Barney's Seeds Critical Kush Indica 24% THC mixed with Coconut oil 1:1 = 400mg C C Oil

This gives me the 1 gram of concentrated cannabis oil that is normal required for a "cure".

I am taking 2 x Swanson Apigenin 50g tablets, and 1 x 200mg Ginkgo Baloba tablet 20 minutes before dosing, although maybe these aren't necessary seeing as I'm not swallowing the CCO. They are normally needed to keep the liver busy to avoid the First Pass Metabolism effect, but with the back door method I'm not sure they are required.

If some knowledgable soul can point me in the right direction here I'd be obliged!

It's been over 90 minutes now, and I have no euphoria - I just feel quite normal.

So far so good - my 60 day journey has begun well.

I'll keep you posted with any developments.

Cheers to all, Nobby
 
Well done Nobby. Cajun should be proud. :battingeyelashes: :Love:
 
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Well done Nobby. Cajun should be proud. :battingeyelashes: :Love:
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Thanks Sue - yes, most of what I know I've learned first from Motoco RIP, and then from Cajun. I'd like to think I was a good student...

Day 3 and all's well. I felt a little stoned yesterday afternoon, but easy to snap to if the phone rang. Sleeping very well and generally feeling a tiny bit euphoric most of the time. A great feeling but it will probably ease off in a couple of days time...

Cheers, Nobby
 
5 pages into this thread so far and amazed at the specific scientific info applied by members here. Confirmed some of my central ideas I had in shaping my own treatment plan. Not only answered some of my other concerns but got into details I need to refine plan.

I tried the 60/60 RSO protocol with 1:1 extract but couldn't maintain the full dosage. Trying to develop juicing plan to reach full dosage. However I've run into a couple problems.
First, I haven't found much specifically on THCA effectiveness on cancer. What I have found isn't clear, but I inferred that it does not work same way THC does through CB1 receptor, but may have other means of fighting cancer.
Second, juicing is not as effective at extracting cannabinoids as I had hoped. There was plenty of THC in the juicing dregs to get me high.
Revised plan is to make RSO from dregs after juicing, which addresses both problems by recapturing medicine lost in juicing and providing higher levels of THC and CBD in my treatment.
I have a lot more details to work out before my grow reaches full production level, but I may find most of answers as I keep reading last 57 pages.
Thanks to all who have posted here, both for the great info you've compiled and the support you provide.:Namaste:
 
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