A Base Treatment Regimen For Cancer

Dennise said:
Good morning Cajun and Super... Let's just pretend this day is just starting.... Good morning my darlin's... Another beautiful day in paradise...:;):....:circle-of-love:
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Done et done. No pretending needed. How're you doing Ranger Ma? My younger brother deploys with the 3rd Ranger Battalion to the Big Sand next month. Any of your's with the 3rd?

supergroomer said:
Already done D my friend. Everything is good!! :circle-of-love::peace:
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Yeppers.
 
cajuncelt said:
Done et done. No pretending needed. How're you doing Ranger Ma? My younger brother deploys with the 3rd Ranger Battalion to the Big Sand next month. Any of your's with the 3rd?
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My youngest is coming home in about 3.5 months and counting and my oldest is stationed in TX... Where the crazy terrorist guy was... My boy wasn't there then but I can't ever remember the names of the bases but I remembered the crazy guy was there...:yikes: he is a Drill Srgt/Fireman... apparently they do things a lot different in the Army now...:straightface: He is being deployed to Iraq 6-16... He even told me the name of the place he was going to be there but it was one of "those" names and I wouldn't even know how to begin to spell it... I am pretty sure there's a j in it...:;): From best I can tell from the messages I get from my youngest boy... He is just kinda hanging out at the hospital part doing the medic thing till he can get the hell out of there... He really hates it there and I honestly think if he could have gotten deployed a lot sooner... He would have stayed in... He says he knows what to do there and can deal... not so much here right now... I am so excited to get him home though... if you can't tell... but he is the reason I finally took the leap of faith with the oil and even though he couldn't start at the same time for obvious reasons... When he gets home he is going on the oil and coming off all those horrible things the Army put him on... Adderall of all things... they give him anti depressants and adderall... the boy is speed balling and they wonder why he is having a hard time...:thedoubletake: Rant over...:sorry: It all scares the zhit out of me Cajun and right now I am just so happy my youngest is coming home... My oldest lives for it... He bleeds red, white and blue... I'm very proud of him but he scares me to death... He's the one digging up bombs his last tour and he thought it was cool.... All I can do is shake my head and punch his dad... I guess I'm really glad to seee them finally sending our guys back in to get this over with but it sure makes it harder when they are sending yours....:high-five:....:circle-of-love:
 
Thank you again Cajun

I've been told my oil is a 1:1 ratio and am waiting to hear what strain it is.

I'm growing concerned that something isn't right - disease symptoms are on the rise and I have no appetite at all. After 2 months on the oil I would have thought the symptoms should be going to other direction. I hope I haven't made things worse by dosing incorrectly. Anyway I guess it can be reversed once I'm on track with your dosage recommendations Cajun.

Sorry I'm not good at calculating dosage so would appreciate if you could tell me how many drops each one should be.

Do you think I should try to get a daytime oil with more CBD?

I'm also looking into other means of getting oil for long term security & affordability. Wish I had more control on quality etc.

You're right Cajun, there's not a moment that I don't think about how much my little one needs me here. I simply cannot leave her behind.

Much appreciation always :thumb:
 
Apologies for more questions Cajun but what are your thoughts on curcumin? Does it help or hinder the oil? I stopped taking it a few weeks ago.

Also is gingo biloba a good & safe source of amentaflavone?
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Shazzy, in the very first post Cajun mentions Ginko Biloba as a source of amentaflavone.
 
OU8one2 said:
Hello my friends, I have been using the information on this site for personal use for a few yrs. as a non-member, but I am now faced with a fight. My Mom 71 yrs old diagnosed with lung cancer and she is refusing all conventional treatment but she is willing to try CCO. so i joined this site and I need your help. I have been reading all the cco posts for the last week and I'm 50 pages in to a 120 page post How to make cco and i just cant read anymore I need to take action. I have questions that i couldnt find exact answers too. I'm sorry if this is redundant but i really tried to search for these answers to no avail...

I am trying to keep it non euphoric and she has dentures so I'm not sure if tacking will work so questions are:

1. If I keep the oil from being activated by heat will it still have the proper THC levels to fight lung cancer?

2. If I have to activate it by decarb will the Backdoor delivery method still produce euphoria.

3. vaping is direct lung exposure, is this considered the best delivery for lung cancer minus the euphoria

4. i know this is a tricky topic but what is the best or favored carrier, I found Naptha at local paint store but I'm not sure if its pure and or safe but it is much cheaper than grain alcohol plus I am a recovering alcoholic so no booze in the house is a good thing.

Thank you !!!
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*update*--- I'm still three weeks from oil and its not the exact strain i want but it will have to do (white widow and some Mother of Berries) , so I am in panic mode...i gave mom some meds to smoke and some to eat to start getting some thc into her system and she does not like the euphoria at all...kind of disappointed I must take after my dad. So this is going to make treatment more interesting. I am being told by a friend that I can make the oil with out de-carbing by keeping it below 160*F thus reducing the euphoria. Will this also reduce the effectiveness of the treatment? I dont know anything about cold water extraction, is this an option?? I can see we need more research on this subject and I'm in 100% if I can help in anyway? I am documenting Mom's Recovery as best I can.
 
OU8one2 said:
*update*--- I'm still three weeks from oil and its not the exact strain i want but it will have to do (white widow and some Mother of Berries) , so I am in panic mode...i gave mom some meds to smoke and some to eat to start getting some thc into her system and she does not like the euphoria at all...kind of disappointed I must take after my dad. So this is going to make treatment more interesting. I am being told by a friend that I can make the oil with out de-carbing by keeping it below 160*F thus reducing the euphoria. Will this also reduce the effectiveness of the treatment? I dont know anything about cold water extraction, is this an option?? I can see we need more research on this subject and I'm in 100% if I can help in anyway? I am documenting Mom's Recovery as best I can.
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I can offer a couple of thoughts until Cajun can post. I went back and saw where Cajun did respond to your original post (post #255), and my take away from his response is the following:

1. You must decarb.

From my reading, this is required to change THCA to THC. THC is what you need to heal; not THCA.

2. Correct placement of a THC suppository will reduce the euphoric effect of the THC.

I think Cajun's response was insertion should be 2". If I remember correctly, a deeper insertion will put it too close to the hepatic vein, and you don't want it going to the liver in this case.

3. Don't give her anything to smoke. It will just get her high, but without enough medicine to help her.

Like I say, I am no expert at all, just a guy like you who is looking to heal, and is doing some research until his crop is ready to make oil. So be sure and wait for further advise from Cajun, but do digest the advise he has already given. I would also go back to the early posts, which describe how to insure the CB receptors are cleansed properly to help with the bioavailability of the medicine.

Everyone, please let me know if I have gotten any of the above wrong. OU8one2, good luck with helping your mom!
 
Yeah not sure what quality of oil it would be and how much everclear(if alcohol extraction is what you are considering) would be left into the CCO by keeping it below 160F, unless you just let it sit and let the alcohol evaporate at ambient temperature. Labrat or Cajun ( as slowtoke suggested) would be the one to ask. I am sure Cajun will be along we he get's a chance , I say he has been quite busy of late.
 
To me, the main issue is that OU8one2 had heard of a method to make oil without any decarboxylation, thereby eliminating the euphoria that his mom found objectionable. But to be effective, the cannabis has to be decarbed. Every recipe for decarboxylation I have seen requires temps between 210 to 250 degrees. So the solution appears to be a delivery systems that eliminates the lion's share of the euphoric effect, while still providing an effective dose of THC. But, agreed, looking forward to Cajun's input here.
 
SlowToke, you interpret this situation the same way I do. The THC is necessary to be effective, so in this case it's getting the delivery system on track. I understand your desire to give her relief through smoking OU8one2, and it's unfortunate she has no tolerance for the euphoric effects. That would have made things a little better at this stage.
 
I get the Higher Thc levels is what we are looking for. I get confused when I see folks using strains like ac/dc that are 1;1 ratio thc;cbd but the actual thc levels are low 8.5 %. However the original ratios from Motoco oil where 2;1. Is it better to use two different strains one high in thc low cbd and vise versa??? make two seaperate batches and blend??? Is the ac/dc the cbd portion of the 2;1 formula? I'm talking ideal situation. It will take 3 months to put that on the table. I hope this isn't too redundant. I ask this question be cause i have ac/dc on the way and I am wondering if its the wrong strain. I dont know How you amazing people came here to this site learned how to treat yourself, while learning how to grow, all while being sick and trying to work....wow!
 
There are a few strains that will give close to the correct 2:1 ratio (Medicann Blue Blood comes to mind). But I think most people make oil from two strains combined to get the right ratio. If I was using ACDC, I would definitely supplement with a high THC strain. That's what I'll be doing with the CBD Critical Cure I'm growing.

I know I'm not anyone special. But being told you've only got four years to live is highly motivating! ;)
 
OU8one2 said:
*update*--- I'm still three weeks from oil and its not the exact strain i want but it will have to do (white widow and some Mother of Berries) , so I am in panic mode...i gave mom some meds to smoke and some to eat to start getting some thc into her system and she does not like the euphoria at all...kind of disappointed I must take after my dad. So this is going to make treatment more interesting. I am being told by a friend that I can make the oil with out de-carbing by keeping it below 160*F thus reducing the euphoria. Will this also reduce the effectiveness of the treatment? I dont know anything about cold water extraction, is this an option?? I can see we need more research on this subject and I'm in 100% if I can help in anyway? I am documenting Mom's Recovery as best I can.
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Not to be uncompassionate, but you did everything I said not to, & didn't do a single thing I advised.
I don't mean mean to be the "it's my way or the highway" type, but come on. Ya gotta meet me halfway or find your own.
I'm sorry for my bluntness, but I deal with this everyday, all day. If you truly want to give this a chance & save her life, follow my advice PRECISELY. You are out of time. Get up to speed NOW on this information.
The members that have responded to you are right on the money & correct in everyway, but have only been here a short time. Not years.
If they can pick this up, you can too.
If not for some reason (s), find someone who can.

panacea said:
Yeah not sure what quality of oil it would be and how much everclear(if alcohol extraction is what you are considering) would be left into the CCO by keeping it below 160F, unless you just let it sit and let the alcohol evaporate at ambient temperature. Labrat or Cajun ( as slowtoke suggested) would be the one to ask. I am sure Cajun will be along we he get's a chance , I say he has been quite busy of late.
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I suggest to her that try it the way she's been answered.

SlowToke said:
To me, the main issue is that OU8one2 had heard of a method to make oil without any decarboxylation, thereby eliminating the euphoria that his mom found objectionable. But to be effective, the cannabis has to be decarbed. Every recipe for decarboxylation I have seen requires temps between 210 to 250 degrees. So the solution appears to be a delivery systems that eliminates the lion's share of the euphoric effect, while still providing an effective dose of THC. But, agreed, looking forward to Cajun's input here.
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You're a quick study.
You want to treat symptoms... Don't decarb.
You want to treat the disease...decarb.

SweetSue said:
SlowToke, you interpret this situation the same way I do. The THC is necessary to be effective, so in this case it's getting the delivery system on track. I understand your desire to give her relief through smoking OU8one2, and it's unfortunate she has no tolerance for the euphoric effects. That would have made things a little better at this stage.
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Another spot on response.

OU8one2 said:
I get the Higher Thc levels is what we are looking for. I get confused when I see folks using strains like ac/dc that are 1;1 ratio thc;cbd but the actual thc levels are low 8.5 %. However the original ratios from Motoco oil where 2;1. Is it better to use two different strains one high in thc low cbd and vise versa??? make two seaperate batches and blend??? Is the ac/dc the cbd portion of the 2;1 formula? I'm talking ideal situation. It will take 3 months to put that on the table. I hope this isn't too redundant. I ask this question be cause i have ac/dc on the way and I am wondering if its the wrong strain. I dont know How you amazing people came here to this site learned how to treat yourself, while learning how to grow, all while being sick and trying to work....wow!
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Real AC/DC is more like 20:1 (cbd to oil) & is awesome. Forget it other than their early songs.
You need high THC right now.

We'll get into strains & cbd when we've stopped the metastatic activity first.

SlowToke said:
There are a few strains that will give close to the correct 2:1 ratio (Medicann Blue Blood comes to mind). But I think most people make oil from two strains combined to get the right ratio. If I was using ACDC, I would definitely supplement with a high THC strain. That's what I'll be doing with the CBD Critical Cure I'm growing.

I know I'm not anyone special. But being told you've only got four years to live is highly motivating! ;)
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4 years is a blessing and yes, a wake up call.
I blend my oil the same as you.
That CBD CC is some awesome stuff. I hated the smell/taste at first, but crave it now. It cured into a smell ofv fresh cut mangoes.

I've joined a group traveling the country for the next few months speaking at cannabis summits on mmj.
The right person was in the audience when I spoke at the Univ. of Colorado recently.
I'm won't be growing professionally anymore, but will have a position there in the clinic if I want.
I'm starting my own clinic later this year & will get my meds from my current job. Cool.
Life is STILL trippy & I'm supposed to be dead. Lol.
 
cajuncelt said:
I've joined a group traveling the country for the next few months speaking at cannabis summits on mmj.
The right person was in the audience when I spoke at the Univ. of Colorado recently.
I'm won't be growing professionally anymore, but will have a position there in the clinic if I want.
I'm starting my own clinic later this year & will get my meds from my current job. Cool.
Life is STILL trippy & I'm supposed to be dead. Lol.
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Cajun, that is fantastic news! :high-five: I think you are really starting to hit the sweet spot of your true calling. you have such amazing knowledge to share... it's really great that you are getting the chance to share that wealth on a full time basis!

You should start giving seminars or multi-day retreats on cannabis and cancer. I'd love the opportunity to learn from you directly.
 
Excellent news. The gypsy in you has been heard and answered. How wonderful. :yahoo:
 
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