600 Watt HPS - Easy Happy Soil Grow - Easy Does It Cloning & Veg

[Jacobsenji]

I think you're doin a fine job buddy.

I have to rely on photos that I take to re-jog my memory when I come to post. And even then I sometimes forget. Lol. You've got yourself a lot of followers and a lot of good communication in here. Much more so than my journo, and I take lots of pictures. Lol.

Maybe if you don't have a camera on hand, use a recorder of some sort and just record yourself talking to them. Describing them in detail while you're in there, and then replaying your record and putting it to journal form.

Keep up the good work brother!

Thank you, Dan

 

[dr.h00k]

hahaha...likin' the post it...Yer doin' just fine...cheerz...h00k...

 

[Jacobsenji]

So.
Is there such a thing as a true female plant ?
I mean is there a female so dominant that it cannot be morphed ?
Is it genetically inherent for a plant in it's throws of death to produce a seed ?
If so is this seed ultimately a female ?
Some believe that these seeds are in fact female.

If these plant have the ability to throw a seed then why can they not have ability to create a hermaphroditic seed ?
If any plant can be morphed then why can they not go the other way ?
Male to Female and back, and so forth ?

Any input is appreciated ?

 

[Canna Montana]

I have to say, I really enjoy when you come over and comment. You make us smile, and sometimes giggle at the silly things you say, but your kind words would be missed. You do great at being you, and that makes you a valuable member to the community. Don't ever think you don't have something to contribute, because you do. Have a great day bud!

 

[Canna Montana]

So.
Is there such a thing as a true female plant ?
I mean is there a female so dominant that it cannot be morphed ?
Is it genetically inherent for a plant in it's throws of death to produce a seed ?
If so is this seed ultimately a female ?
Some believe that these seeds are in fact female.

If these plant have the ability to throw a seed then why can they not have ability to create a hermaphroditic seed ?
If any plant can be morphed then why can they not go the other way ?
Male to Female and back, and so forth ?

Any input is appreciated ?

I have been told that female plants will make seeds if it feels it's going to die without being pollinated. It is said that the seeds from a female should be female.

 

[Jacobsenji]

I have been told that female plants will make seeds if it feels it's going to die without being pollinated. It is said that the seeds from a female should be female.

Just curious if these seeds can be induced with Light or some other environmental stress, Making them ultimately Hermaphroditic ?

Or if in fact a true genetic female exists ?

Thank you so very much Canna for the encouraging and kind words. I really enjoy being here. Just wanna level up.

 

[Canna Montana]

Even some female frogs will turn to make sure they continue the population. They were born female, just changed to adapt and overcome.

 

[Dan Ultra]

Just curious if these seeds can be induced with Light or some other environmental stress, Making them ultimately Hermaphroditic ?

Or if in fact a true genetic female exists ?

Thank you so very much Canna for the encouraging and kind words. I really enjoy being here. Just wanna level up.

You can spray a female with Colloidal Silver and it will reverse to produce male pollen. You can then self pollinate itself and it would create S1 Female Seeds I believe.

i do believe that you can also cause a plant to Hermie by light stress or environmental stress and it can cause seeds to form. As far as I know they'd be female, but would carry on the hermaphroditic trait.

One thing to keep in mind is that EVERYTHING in plants is driven by hormones. Once a hormone is released into the plant (to create male calyx's or nanners) it can't be reversed back again, since that hormone has been introduced into the plants system.

 

[Jacobsenji]

You can spray a female with Colloidal Silver and it will reverse to produce male pollen. You can then self pollinate itself and it would create S1 Female Seeds I believe.

i do believe that you can also cause a plant to Hermie by light stress or environmental stress and it can cause seeds to form. As far as I know they'd be female, but would carry on the hermaphroditic trait.

One thing to keep in mind is that EVERYTHING in plants is driven by hormones. Once a hormone is released into the plant (to create male calyx's or nanners) it can't be reversed back again, since that hormone has been introduced into the plants system.

So basically a trigger such as light stres,s would cause a hormone to be released no matter the genetic make up of current plants toda,y and therefore causing a morph.

I wonder if it would be possible to somehow take the genetic trait that does this away from the make up of plant. Thereby creating a completely stable strain. Completely fool proof if you will.

Hmmph. Then how could you Keep it going ?

 

[Dan Ultra]

So basically a trigger such as light stres,s would cause a hormone to be released no matter the genetic make up of current plants toda,y and therefore causing a morph.

I wonder if it would be possible to somehow take the genetic trait that does this away from the make up of plant. Thereby creating a completely stable strain. Completely fool proof if you will.

Hmmph. Then how could you Keep it going ?

I suppose it could be possible given a proper lab. I believe you'd have to isolate the specific hormone that causes a genetic change to occur, and then find an antagonist to block it. Then it would take many generations for this to become a genetic trait. If I remember correctly it takes about 6 generations for a trait to stabilize. And that assumes that an outside antagonist would even stabilize as a genetic trait. Not sure on that one.

Keep in mind I am pretty new to genetics and breeding, so take this all with a grain of salt. Haha

 

[Dennise]

I don't know about all the science but they have come a long way and there are some strains that are very hard to get them to hermie... It has been greatly debated on 420 about the hermie trait being passed on and IMO if the plant hermies without stress... You will probably have the same thing happen with the beans... If it hermies due to age and is just trying to survive... Who cares cause its late in life and should have been chopped already anyhow... And if you stress her to hermie... I don't think it would necessarily carry over... Now with all that said I can only go by the way things have turned out for me and I don't know if that's from dumb luck or that's what's supposed to happen......

 

[maynman]

I don't really like the idea of messing with the genetics.......can you say GMO!!!! In my humble opinion man trying to play God is getting into some dangerous territory. I'm just afraid that someday all of this is gonna blow up our asses!!! Just my $.02.

 

[Dennise]

I completely agree....

 

[kiwiman]

Taking a backseat here. Chur


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[Jacobsenji]

I suppose it could be possible given a proper lab. I believe you'd have to isolate the specific hormone that causes a genetic change to occur, and then find an antagonist to block it. Then it would take many generations for this to become a genetic trait. If I remember correctly it takes about 6 generations for a trait to stabilize. And that assumes that an outside antagonist would even stabilize as a genetic trait. Not sure on that one.

Keep in mind I am pretty new to genetics and breeding, so take this all with a grain of salt. Haha

I can guarantee that I have never even thought about genetics until I started inside gardening. So anything I say also take that with a grain of salt. Look at us Dan we got our own lil salt mine !

Makes total sense to say that if we could breed the Hermaphroditic trait away totally then we would need males to propagate. Other wise we would have to take clones of clones to keep a strain going ?
But if you bred one to a male and sowed the seeds you could possibly have non-hermaphroditic females ?

Dude I am just takin it all in. I have not had any problems with herms or anything. But I wonder................

 

[Dan Ultra]

I don't really like the idea of messing with the genetics.......can you say GMO!!!! In my humble opinion man trying to play God is getting into some dangerous territory. I'm just afraid that someday all of this is gonna blow up our asses!!! Just my $.02.

Nail on the head. Let nature be nature.

 

[Jacobsenji]

I don't really like the idea of messing with the genetics.......can you say GMO!!!! In my humble opinion man trying to play God is getting into some dangerous territory. I'm just afraid that someday all of this is gonna blow up our asses!!! Just my $.02.

Yeah you are right. But it's been nagging at me and I wanna dispel any further energy I would expend in the future. So I figured, what the weed; I may as well have some more intelly and level headed people I know give it a go and guess what.... That's you guys.

Thanks

Sup Maynman how you doin this fine sat eve ?

 

[Jacobsenji]

Taking a backseat here. Chur


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Yo Kiwiman. Howgozit ?

Thanks for stopping in.

Here ya go have an ol ripnroll on me.

 

[maynman]

Yeah you are right. But it's been nagging at me and I wanna dispel any further energy I would expend in the future. So I figured, what the weed; I may as well have some more intelly and level headed people I know give it a go and guess what.... That's you guys.

Thanks

Sup Maynman how you doin this fine sat eve ?

Hey Jacob! I wasn't trying to dog on anybody. It just scares the hell out me the way man, in all off his infinite wisdom, thinks that he should f**k with what is probably the most magnificent "creation" that can be imagined. I believe we (man) have demonstrated our arrogant abilities on numerous occasions to try to alter the natural processes. :icon_roll I believe all of us know the results of that. I don't mind breeding plants to accent their qualities or to enhance their disease resistance and such, but there is a limit. We're not as f'n smart as we (man) think we are!!!!

And I am having a fine evening yakking with you folks!
You all have a green evening!

 

[Jacobsenji]

Re: 600 Watt HPS - Easy Happy Soil Grow - Easy Does It Cloning & Veg

I know this is of no use to the Brix Gang or probably most of you here. So I am recording this for posterity and personal reasons.
But by all means if you can get something out of it. You are welcome to it.

All I ask is you smoke with a brother if it's useful to you.
Food for thought,

Do not combine concentrated nutes in less water than is needed.

Two and three-part nutrients come in separate parts for a reason. If they come into contact with each other when still concentrated you will see a white precipitate form, and depending on the make up, this can happen very rapidly. The majority of the precipitate is typically calcium sulfate. Plants can only use nutrients that are fully dissolved in the water. So all that precipitate is nutes no longer available to the plant. Therefore, always add the majority of water before combining nutrients.
Subsequently, always stir well before each part is added.
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Which comes first: A or B?

You should always add the part containing the phosphate first. Because the addition of each part can affect stability. Especially if your water has high alkalinity. Bicarbonate & Carbonate are the components of natural waters that causes high pH. Adding doses to high alkalinity water can decrease the stability of several nutrient components, Iron, Mag, Cal, Sulfate, Copper and Zinc. It is probably safer to add that part of the nutrient that lowers pH the most, first. Iron is highly unstable at ph above 6.5.


Add precise amounts of each part.

Avoid half ass measuring the nutes.
An excess of one nutrient component does not compensate for shorting another. In two-part, under dosing part B for example, could cause a deficiency in over half the nutrients required P, K, S and all of the trace elements excluding iron. This problem is compounded with two and three-parts because the dose volumes for each part will be roughly one-half to one-third (respectively) of what it would otherwise be if using a one-part.
Therefore, without accurate measuring, the dosing error can be significant.


Fully mix each part as added.
Always stir immediately after the addition of nutrient or supplements. This will dissolve the less soluble nutes.
Also, this removes pockets of extreme pH, up or down, that could destabilize nutes that are unstable beyond the pH window of 5.0-6.5.

Okey Dokey Smokey. I'm out.