5 Unknown Strains - 2012 Grow

[Vick074]

Thanks Vick.

Theres no problems with any pest. Actually I got the idea of throwing the dead leaves on top of the soil from that master grower guy. I cant never remember his name but the guy with all the DVDs and books on growing. Pretty much the nutrients from the leaves will go back into the soil when you water over them. So I just start throwing them in there. Havent had any problem yet! Just a little PM problem with my fan. Thats starting to bother me really but its only on the leaves thats closest to the fan of course.

I gave them 10ml of bloom last week with 2.5ml of liquid kool bloom. This is per gallon between both plants so thats 5ml bloom, and 1.2ml kool bloom there getting between each other. This feed ill do 15ml bloom and 5ml kool bloom per gallon. They only use half gallon each. I was thinking if i should start making there own gallons for the PPM reason of all of this or the PPM also gets divided right?

Hey Whiz,
I think you're referring to Cervatntes..?
He suggests to do this with outdoor plants. But there is a lot more fresh air movement with outdoor. I believe indoor is a different story.
Especially going into flowering when you really want the humidity to be as low as possible. You said that you're getting some PM on lower leaves near the fan? What you're letting those dead leaves do on top of your medium is compost, inviting mold, which could invite bugs to munch on roots, and mold to penetrate upwards into buds... Unless you've got a 500 cfm fan exchanging air to the room. Of course you know your room better than I. But I try to keep my flowering room as dry as possible. just a suggestion of course..

You've got me confused with your PPM division..
Are you feeding your flowering plants different nutes or something?
Can you clarify that for me brother?
When feeding my drain to waste, I don't measure how much they each get. I just mix up a batch that I know will be enough in 5 gallon pots, then throw my pump connected to my watering hose, water each pot til I get run off and that's it. Some are thirstier than others, so if watered slowly enough so no side spill over happens, runoff tells me they're fed.
Forgive me if I'm not picking up what you're putting down..

 

[Cheesus]

Thanks once again o'wise man
i guess my LED light would do fine with diminishing lights, but my old 400w hps might need an upgrade, espacially now when i defoliated them a bit aswell, they will need the extra light atleast for a while. im doing the blackout of 36-48 hours darkness to rippen them that extra. Perhaps one should also gett them real scarred with a 10/14 for the last week before the blackout :O

note to self*

i should try and find that study made by some guys from the US and Amsterdam (i belive it was) made on this method (blackout i call it) they came to understand that a dark period of think it was 72 hours, would increas the allready existing amount of resin with up to 30%

it was some educational reading

My fault, i thought i responded to the GLR question it must not had posted lol. But yea I use the GLR and alot of other growers do as well. It saves on electricity and you get the same type of growth as you would with flowering. So same as diminishing light period will offer the same results. Its like how some growers would give 24hrs dark before harvest. Its just giving longer dark periods threw out the flowering cycle. Its suppose to promote more flowers since its longer dark periods. But to me the plant has to store up alot of energy when lights are on to do so.

A bigger light source would be great for this for the reason being theres alot more photosynthesis going on with a 1000w vs a 400w. Im not diminishing my lights on this grow. I ran GLR with out going to 10/14.

Hope this helps!

 

[Cheesus]

I would like to agree to disagree with you, iSmoke, Yes a book can teach you the theoretical stuff indeed, but ask the right question to the right guys and you will get just as equal or better info on what your looking for, even better infact, you might even get hands on tips on how to improve your technique. And a book can never answer your questions with a streight answer, atleast not in my opinion.

Not saying your wrong or anything, but why dont do both, read a book and ask around. People that have real experience are the place to really learn from imo =)


And so far the injection technique seems to working real good, wait a year til he have dialed everything in more precise and we shall see some really impressive work i guess

They're looking good Wiz!

Man I have to comment on the experiments I'm sorry. If you guys are that serious about learning the plant then you should pick up a botany book and study it instead of the internet trust me lol. I respectfully disagree with everything sorry. Even the core of your experiment is fundamentally wrong . Not trying to be rude, you know me bro, just honestly giving my opinion because I don't want you to ruin your crop. I think injecting plants is a huge mistake. It takes years to study proper anatomy. Plants are simpler than animals but still.. A few pages on the internet won't come close to an accurate plant physiology book. You'll never stumble on a breakthrough by trying random stuff. I feel I'm being such a dick with this comment, I'm sorry if it was a buzkill. I really think your plants look great so hopefully no damage done, I'm only suggesting you hold off the injections from now on maybe ? bro, may you nugs always be dense

 

[WizHigh]

Hey Whiz,
I think you're referring to Cervatntes..?
He suggests to do this with outdoor plants. But there is a lot more fresh air movement with outdoor. I believe indoor is a different story.
Especially going into flowering when you really want the humidity to be as low as possible. You said that you're getting some PM on lower leaves near the fan? What you're letting those dead leaves do on top of your medium is compost, inviting mold, which could invite bugs to munch on roots, and mold to penetrate upwards into buds... Unless you've got a 500 cfm fan exchanging air to the room. Of course you know your room better than I. But I try to keep my flowering room as dry as possible. just a suggestion of course..

You've got me confused with your PPM division..
Are you feeding your flowering plants different nutes or something?
Can you clarify that for me brother?
When feeding my drain to waste, I don't measure how much they each get. I just mix up a batch that I know will be enough in 5 gallon pots, then throw my pump connected to my watering hose, water each pot til I get run off and that's it. Some are thirstier than others, so if watered slowly enough so no side spill over happens, runoff tells me they're fed.
Forgive me if I'm not picking up what you're putting down..

Yea I rambled on a bit to much there lol. You answered it for me at the end of your post Im feeding them the same thing. Im also using expert schedule 7.5ml bloom & 2.5ml kool bloom.

I have a double exhaust and intake fan in my room so its been doing perfect. The reason I have PM is because the sucky Honeywell fan I had on the west part of the grow room wont stay clean. I clean it all the time and it just builds right back up and blows it around. I do have my humidifier in there, which keeps RH at 50% I guess Ill turn it off now. It will be at 30% or less when its not running.

Thanks for the input. I guess ill take the dead leaves out and just use hydroton.

They're looking good Wiz!

Man I have to comment on the experiments I'm sorry. If you guys are that serious about learning the plant then you should pick up a botany book and study it instead of the internet trust me lol. I respectfully disagree with everything sorry. Even the core of your experiment is fundamentally wrong . Not trying to be rude, you know me bro, just honestly giving my opinion because I don't want you to ruin your crop. I think injecting plants is a huge mistake. It takes years to study proper anatomy. Plants are simpler than animals but still.. A few pages on the internet won't come close to an accurate plant physiology book. You'll never stumble on a breakthrough by trying random stuff. I feel I'm being such a dick with this comment, I'm sorry if it was a buzkill. I really think your plants look great so hopefully no damage done, I'm only suggesting you hold off the injections from now on maybe ? bro, may you nugs always be dense

Naw man your not being a dick your simply saying study my shit before f'ng up my plants and wasting time. I understand that perfectly. Thats why I stopped awhile back so I can still study and then I wil make a journal when I have more findings. Theres lots to learn rather its internet or book. Where ever and who ever has info im down to listen. I said when I first made this journal its not about just the buds or yield to me. I really found a huge interest in this whole plant thing. Its just not MJ either I would live to grow some huge roses for my mother and girl as well as fruits and veggies. I want to make my nute line up and genetically engineer my own strain. My mind is open to all input and motivation!!!

Wiz,
Looks real good man. Lots of new stuff happening. Glad to be back.

Hey Springs, I see ya peeking come on in. lol

Glad to see your back I seen the updates of your journal so ill be over there in a sec. Hope everything is fine and green on your end.

72 hours, would increas the allready existing amount of resin with up to 30%

it was some educational reading

Its true but most of it has to do with genetics!!!

 

[iSmokes]

To each his own brother. I'm in no way claiming I'm a grower lol, I don't know much about it. I just know the reasoning is very unscientific. Where is the salt residue going after injection lol? By injecting plants in the same nutrients you're supposed to water them with, you're assuming the roots literally drink up the juices with absolutely no modification to either the chemicals themselves or the very molecular configuration (spatially) of individual "nutrients". I'm assuming that's impossible, and I'm very sure that assuming it's impossible for nutrient uptake to be that simple is a very safe bet. I'm just trying to show you that I can debunk the experiment without knowing jack sh*t about plant physiology. Just basic reasoning. I wish you all the best of luck man, I really hope Wiz does in fact stumble upon a breakthrough, I'll be one of the people who witnessed it .

I would like to agree to disagree with you, iSmoke, Yes a book can teach you the theoretical stuff indeed, but ask the right question to the right guys and you will get just as equal or better info on what your looking for, even better infact, you might even get hands on tips on how to improve your technique. And a book can never answer your questions with a streight answer, atleast not in my opinion.

Not saying your wrong or anything, but why dont do both, read a book and ask around. People that have real experience are the place to really learn from imo =)


And so far the injection technique seems to working real good, wait a year til he have dialed everything in more precise and we shall see some really impressive work i guess

 

[Hozona]

I would like to agree to disagree with you, iSmoke, Yes a book can teach you the theoretical stuff indeed, but ask the right question to the right guys and you will get just as equal or better info on what your looking for, even better infact, you might even get hands on tips on how to improve your technique. And a book can never answer your questions with a streight answer, atleast not in my opinion.

Not saying your wrong or anything, but why dont do both, read a book and ask around. People that have real experience are the place to really learn from imo =)


And so far the injection technique seems to working real good, wait a year til he have dialed everything in more precise and we shall see some really impressive work i guess

Experimentation is necessary to create new processes and techniques in EVERY FIELD OF ENDEAVOR...Thank God there are people out there who are willing to try new things.. IMHO that is....

 

[WizHigh]

Experimentation is necessary to create new processes and techniques in EVERY FIELD OF ENDEAVOR...Thank God there are people out there who are willing to try new things.. IMHO that is....

Hell yea ill try anything. To me life is to short and narrow. If its normal I dont want it!!!

 

[iSmokes]

Experimenting is a beautiful thing. It's also a complicated process. Trying stuff is a very different thing.

 

[WizHigh]

Experimenting is a beautiful thing. It's also a complicated process. Trying stuff is a very different thing.

I hear you on that but this is more than just trying stuff. I mean I go to work and then come home and google my ass off on alot of research that has been done. I even made a cool little bond with my hydro store guy and talk to him about some of this info.

I will count my first attempt as a fail since I was acting on it while studying and learning fresh about it but second go round wont be a fail. I will be sure of that. It will take some time but it will be my 3rd or 2.5 journal indeed. Until then lets just look at these beautiful girls I raised for 3 months and smoke some ganja!!!

 

[iSmokes]

That's what I'm talking about Wiz. Beautiful girls indeed. I just don't want you to end up with any harsh or unhealthy nugs. I'm really glad you took it the right way.
My job revolves around "experimenting" and the horror of variables haunts me. I just couldn't let it go without commenting on inaccuracy . Life is hard as a nerd, I hope I didn't come off as a smartass.

 

[WizHigh]

Yea pretty much I was the nerd of my science class. Science was always my number one subject it started out with blowing up shit!!!

 

[Vick074]

Yea I rambled on a bit to much there lol. You answered it for me at the end of your post Im feeding them the same thing. Im also using expert schedule 7.5ml bloom & 2.5ml kool bloom.

I have a double exhaust and intake fan in my room so its been doing perfect. The reason I have PM is because the sucky Honeywell fan I had on the west part of the grow room wont stay clean. I clean it all the time and it just builds right back up and blows it around. I do have my humidifier in there, which keeps RH at 50% I guess Ill turn it off now. It will be at 30% or less when its not running.

Thanks for the input. I guess ill take the dead leaves out and just use hydroton.

Yeah, good plan..
I wouldn't have a humidfier any where near my flowering plants. In fact the opposite..
Because I'm cramming so much into my 5x5 I'm going to have to invest in a dehumidifier.
When I was at the inlaws this week, they were showing us their new motorhome.. I noticed this thing they had hanging off a cupboard that looked like a large IV drip bag full of water.. I asked, "what the hell is that!?" and they said it's a dehumidifier!!
The thing only costs about 7.00 and doesn't need any power to run. They said it was in there for only a few weeks and was almost full of water. AND it omits a pleasant odor which could come in handy when stinky flowers are abundant.
Apparently they make these things specifically for RV's, and even marine because they both are around constant humidity..
I'm going to look into getting a few and I'll let people know in my journal if they work or not.

I totally agree with using hydroton on the top (and bottom) of soil pots. It creates a barrier protecting the top layer of soil from Gnats getting in there and laying their eggs, plus it really makes watering easier (distribution)..

 

[WizHigh]

Yes let me know about those dehumidifier bags!!

 

[Vick074]

Yes let me know about those dehumidifier bags!!

I know you can appreciate cheap alternatives to expensive things, or things out of the norm, so thought you'd dig it.
I'll let you know if they work out..

 

[Perfect Sun LED]

What about Silica Gel boxes you can buy on amazon for 900gram box $23. They are reusable. You just put them in the oven on 300 for 3 hours. The price is for a lifetime product you can use over and over. No electricity but for the recharging them part in the oven.

I bet if used next to a heater in a grow space, they would take longer to fill up as the heat would slowly reactivate the slica while it was absorbing. It seems like that would work.

Calcium cloride works too, such as damprid, but I don't think it is reusable.

I have an electric dehumidifier right now, but I think I am going to try using like 3 to 4 900 gram silica boxes. THey also make ones that come in cans.

You could probably make your own using netting, can, and silica gel cat liter.

 

[Vick074]

What about Silica Gel boxes you can buy on amazon for 900gram box $23. They are reusable. You just put them in the oven on 300 for 3 hours. The price is for a lifetime product you can use over and over. No electricity but for the recharging them part in the oven.

I bet if used next to a heater in a grow space, they would take longer to fill up as the heat would slowly reactivate the slica while it was absorbing. It seems like that would work.

Calcium cloride works too, such as damprid, but I don't think it is reusable.

I have an electric dehumidifier right now, but I think I am going to try using like 3 to 4 900 gram silica boxes. THey also make ones that come in cans.

You could probably make your own using netting, can, and silica gel cat liter.

Nice input on the de-humidifier options LEDRF..

 

[WizHigh]

Little update on my beautiful women. 3rd WEEK of flower and there looking great. There packing on more crystals everyday. I bumped the feeding up to 1350-1500 PPM. Thanks to Vick again, he recommended using Bio Root so I picked some up. Now Ive did some reading on the stuff and come to find out it has yeast and other things in it that is used for HIBRIX! COOL! I also bumped up the molasses to 6 tblespns to see what happens. More carbo the better. Just seeing what all my plants can take. Im doing a early feeding so if I see any problems with in this 12 hour period I will simply flush. All the better reason Im not defoliatingvmy plants because the more leaves the more nutrients will get spread threw them with out burning. Thats my opinion on it any way. Here go a quick shot of the crystal baby!!! I added a 2700K 300w CFL to the grow room also

PS. Since this is bagseed and it doesnt know where it come from or name I will dub this strain "Cheese Wiz Qush"! and when I get my GDP I will breed them and call them Cheese Wiz Purple Qush

 

[Vick074]

Hey Whiz,
Are you taking about your DWC's or soil?
Glad to hear you got some Bio Root.
But I hope you don't think by using it, it's going to allow you to bump your nutes up that high?
1350-1500 PPM is really high dude.. especially for soil/Coco.. Heck I've gotten nute burn as low as 1100 PPM before.. And 6 tablespoons of Molasses/gal IMO is way too much. You're going to have to flush every other feeding to get rid of those build ups.. And your medium has the potential to get really yucky with all that Molasses in there..
I can almost guarantee you're going to see nute burn running such high nutes, and carbs brother.
Hopefully I'm wrong and your plants explode with no burn at all!!
I'll publicly eat my words if I'm wrong.
I just think you're trying to throw too much at them is all.

I like the name you came up with, Cheese Wiz Qush...

 

[WizHigh]

Hey Whiz,
Are you taking about your DWC's or soil?
Glad to hear you got some Bio Root.
But I hope you don't think by using it, it's going to allow you to bump your nutes up that high?
1350-1500 PPM is really high dude.. especially for soil/Coco.. Heck I've gotten nute burn as low as 1100 PPM before.. And 6 tablespoons of Molasses/gal IMO is way too much. You're going to have to flush every other feeding to get rid of those build ups.. And your medium has the potential to get really yucky with all that Molasses in there..
I can almost guarantee you're going to see nute burn running such high nutes, and carbs brother.
Hopefully I'm wrong and your plants explode with no burn at all!!
I'll publicly eat my words if I'm wrong.
I just think you're trying to throw too much at them is all.

I like the name you came up with, Cheese Wiz Qush...

Thanks Vick. Ive been giving them 10ml bloom which is 1000 PPM. Thats including the Kool Bloom liquid. Which doesnt really add that much because 2tble is 350 PPM and im only giving them 5ml. I have other additives that will allow my plants to uptake more nutrients and tolerate the high PPM including hygrozyme and co2 which is always running. This is going between 2 plants so im sure the PPM gets divided between the 2 as well as the molasses which in turn they both only get 3tbls molasses, 7.5 Bloom, 2.5 kool Bloom.

I give them a good inbetween water every 2 feeds. The hygrozyme works well because it breaks down all the build up in the soil. And I use that every watering at 15ml. Im keeping my eye on them so hopefully everything runs smooth. Ive seen my plants take alot threw veg at one point I was going over the recommended dosage of 7.5ml to 10ml. I vegged them for 3 months so maybe thats why?

 

[Vick074]

Then hopefully they're older and wiser after that 3 month veg,
and can now handle a stiff adult beverage..

I'm hoping I'll be able to push my PPM's a bit more on this grow now that I've added grozyme & bioroot to the regiment..