re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers
That's great info, Irish.
I am already in touch with Mike and he says I can go with 2x280W or 1x450W for each 4x4' area and that should at least match the 1000W HPS with better quality. He estimates 8% better yield with the 2x280W option over the single 450W.
I just wish he would update his site with accurate details for his 2011 models, like you posted. The conflicting info doesn't help.
Anybody see a grow with BlackDog LEDs? They seem to be at the upper end of the market, at least in $$$. I wouldn't spend that much money without seeing a legit grow, though.
Hey medicine21,
Either your trying to pull one on me or you misread my e-mail to you and if thats the case I deeply apologize for any offense you might take to this post. I will post my e-mail correspondence medicine21 with so he and everyone else doing research on led's where I stand with my products and knows what I really said in the e-mail replies. I think everyone on the threads and those who have talked to me personally know I would never make such false claims.
Here's medicine21 sent me:
Message: Hello,
I have been reading some good things about your lights in the grow forums as well as your quick support.
I am looking to replace 4x1000W covering TWO 4x8' tables, basically an 8x8' area. This is an SOG grow, where single cola plants are 24-40".
Which of your lights would give me same or better results as 4x1000W in this space? I understand that there are some benefits with LED interlacing, so I am not against going with more less powerful lights, if you would so recommend.
Thank you for your support. I look forward to doing business with you.
Here is what i replied back with:
Thank you for writing and taking a interest in my Spectra LED grow lights. In regards to your questions:
"We can go with four of my spectra 280w panels per 4x8 tray or depending if you want to use less wattage I would recommend using two of my Spectra 450w panels per 4x8 tray either way you go you will at the very lest match your hps with yield and in my opinion beat it with quality but myself and my customers are seeing a 20% to 30% increase in yield watt for watt with the led vs hps/mh and the quality is always better with my led's. The difference between the 4x280w panels and 2x450w panels is going to be about 8% in overall yield because of the coverage of the 4x280w but i assure you if you got a green thumb and you know what your doing and familiar with the plant strains you grow you will beat the hps either way.
Let me know what you think and if you think this will work for you and ill work out a price for you. If you have any other questions please let me know.
Thank you,
Michael
GrowLEDhydro.com"
Then he replies medicine21:
Hi Michael,
Thank you. I appreciate your response.
I'll be honest with you, I am torn between your Spectras and the 357Mag lights. The 357Mag guys tell me that I would need 3x357Mag to cover each of my two 4x8' trays. Actual draw is 180-190W of these lights and I am told that 3 of them will match or outperform my 2x1000W.
My main concerns are not so much LED light price, as the WATTAGE drawn to at least MATCH (and replace) my 2x1000W on each tray. So, I have 3 options to cover two 4x8 trays:
1. 8x280 Spectra = 2240W drawn
2. 4x450 Spectra = 1800W drawn
3. 6x190 357Mag = 1140W drawn
The other difference I see between Spectras and 357Mag is that your lights use 3w3 (1w diodes?) and the Mags use 3w diodes, thus perhaps giving me better coverage/penetration with the Mags. They also can plug directly into to my 240V/40amp board that I am using for my HPS. I am not sure I can do that with the Spectras...
So if I'm to trust the claims, I can cover my tables with half the wattage if I go with Option 3.
I would appreciate your thoughts on this and how your products compare to the 357Mags.
Thanks again for your time, Michael.
And then i reply:
Thank you for writing back let me get straight to your questions.
1. I guarantee you that 570w will not replace two 1000w HPS lamps, as a matter of fact it wont even come close.
2. My Spectra LED 2011 models use single 3w led's. I can guarantee you that the magnum lights do not use true 3w chips.
3. I can also guarantee you they do not use a true 11 wavelengths. My new 2011 Spectra LED grow lights use a True Spectrum™ 12 wavelengths.
4. I offer a 120 day money back guarantee and five year warranty, do they? no.
5. My panels are custom made to my specifications and use Fail Safe Technology™ which allows all the led's to keep working if one goes out, theirs do not.
6. My panels use wide voltage technology and can be used from 60v to 280v.
7. I can easily set you up a system to use less wattage but dont expect to get the results your getting with the two 1000w hps lamps. Its just not going to happen and thats the truth.
T, You asked me to compare my Spectra LED panels to theirs but in my opinion their is no comparison. I can go on and on about why my panels will destroy magnum led grow lights but its up to you to decide and believe the hype. Its because of companies like this that have given led's a bad name with their false claims.
If theirs anything else I can help you with please let me know.
Thank you,
Michael
GrowLEDhydro.com
Now you bring up Blackdog LED's:
1. your right there are no documented grows.
2. 1 year warranty, 60 day return policy? That shows a lot of confidence in their products.
3. Im sorry but on the planet I live in there is only ONE visible light spectrum. So that would make me think someone claiming to use '15 spectrum's' might not actually now about what their selling.
4. I see they state they use 2.52w per LED. in my opinion I do not believe this to be true but lets entertain the thought for a minute. Do you know what kind of heat issues you would be dealing with if that was the case? Not to mention the LED's might last you a couple years, if that.
5. They say they use IR and UF, if that was true there would be led's on there panels that would not be lit because true IR and UV wavelengths are not visible to the human eye.
6. Blackdog claims right of there website:
'The BD450 is our most popular light and is the perfect light to replace any 1000w setup. It contains 200 High Power 3w LEDs and pulls over 400 actual watts.'
NEED I SAY MORE. No I dont think so.
Their are a few other discrepancies but i will just stick with the facts.
I am not here to bash blackdog its there business they can do what they want and if anyone wants to by their panels I hope they work well for you.
But if someone really wants to compare in my opinion their is no comparison. Ive said it before and ill say it again:
MY PANELS ARE UNMATCHED AND UNCHALLENGED.
And if any of the companies reading think otherwise, put your money were your mouth is, we can easily set up a side by side.
Its tough enough selling led grow lights because of all the lying and marketing gimmicks, i use none, only the truth and thats the way it will always be.
If it seems I put you on blast im sorry that was not my intention. This post was not really only meant for you but those others who email me everyday still living in lala land and wishing for the impossible and believing in ludicrous claims 98% if LED grow light companies still make. Come on people use your head ask the right questions when researching different manufacturers, you will see I wont be beat.
Sorry if anyone was offended, i just really need to everyone to know where I stand and that I do not want my name associated with those group of companies and their BS.
like irish said im not to worried with light penatration with GLH leds, they are great and buds on the bottom of all my platns were big. bigger than tops in the middle of grow, so they do get down there.
